Nominate Setael
I agree with Benmage's scumlist very much. While getting caught up today i noticed his and Magua's posts jumped out as supertownie.
Thor is still scum.
I get what you're talking about, but I don't think this is much of a contradiction. After all, Bunnylover can understand why people voted Zoraster without having to agree with them, thus not seeing what the case was about. This is also how I felt about Zoraster yesterday. I had read him in ISO, and thought that he was somewhat scummy, but not nearly enough to explain why so many had him as their primary suspect.MagnaofIllusion #822 wrote:Again, these two lines do not compute.Bunnylover wrote:The Zoraster case I'm not really seeing.
I understand why MoI is voting for him, but that's not why others are voting for him.
Bunny please explain your thinking here. If you don't see a Zoraster case how can it make sense that I am voting for him? That's contradictory.
Either you see the case I have laid out and think it make sense for me to be voting him (thus you see the case) or you don't see any valid case on him and thus my voting for him doesn't make sense.
Now I don't follow you, since Bunnylover's statement makes perfect sense to me. We had two suspects, Raivann and Zoraster, and a possible tell that made Zoraster appear scummier if Raivann was also scum. Thus it makes perfect sense to lynch the one who is individually scummier, and given who Bunnylover was voting and what she said about the Zoraster case, it is clear that she found Raivann scummier. Had Raivann been lynched and flipped scum, the tell would have been strengthened, and if Raivann did not flip scum, the tell would have been disproven. Just because Bunnylover thought that the "vote townie, FOS partner" play wasMagnaofIllusion #822 wrote:Um what? Implicit in your agreement that Zoraster is possibly pulling the "Vote: Town, FOS: Partner" play is the fact that you MUST think Zoraster is scum. If you think Raivann is scum and are unsure of Zoraster it doesn't make sense to make the link in the reverse direction. It is not a bi-directional tell.Bunnylover wrote:The Zoraster FOS buddy - Vote Townie is nice. Frankly I would rather lynch Raivann (the FOS buddy) which upon flip of a scum result will prove (or at least strengthen) the fact that Zoraster was in fact doing that.
Lynching Zoraster really doesn't dissolve Raivann status.
This was diddin's last post. Barely anything about Zoraster, and more trying to paint Bunnylover black. This reads to me like scum trying to save his partner or delay his lynch by diverting suspicion to a townie. Yes, I continue to think Raivann is likely scum. I've seen arguments that Raivann would be unlikely to be a Stark because Xtoxm voted xvart right after him, and because diddin was voting him. I think the first argument is inconclusive and the second is possible bussing. I don't think either argument is good enough while Raivann has still not explained his weird behavior.diddin #938 wrote:Bunny's insistence on lynching Raivann today is scummy.
Unvote, Vote: Zoraster. His claim is obv. scum. Bunny's slip has also been noted by myself and others and Bunny still wants Raivann lynch. That makes me lose quite a lot of faith in the Raivann case.
1. Yes.MagnaofIllusion wrote:1. You complain about lack of meaty content to comment on.
2. You say you like Locke’s play, but he had two posts by page 8 consists solely of a RVS vote and a small comment on DGB based on loose meta. He certainly didn’t provide any ‘meaty content’ by that point.
3. You say you like Grey’s play despite his back-tracking and arguments that were repeatedly proven wrong or misguided.
4. You don’t comment at all about DGB despite him being the focus of your two Town reads above.
Fair enough on DGB, but you're barking up a nothing tree as it was hardly a conscious plan.MagnaofIllusion wrote:I don’t see the Town motivation for you to dislike DGB’s play but be afraid to voice your own opinion on it. It looks like you are happy to let others do the dirty work for you in that regard based on the difficulty of attacking DGB that you later state. Futhermore I find your explanation for your Town reads on those players to be lacking.
All I hear is this;MagnaofIllusion wrote:Never said it was a case. You are the only one attempting to assert it is. My interactions and obeservations made Day with and about Twilight Sparkle are the base of my vote.Thor wrote:Until then - your current stated case as I am aware of it, is really weak. "They aren't townie enough" That's not a case.
It's not impossible, but I agree, I need to downgrade my suspicion.xvart wrote:What say you to Zoraster being a lyncher? Do you think zoraster's target would be a scum member? I would lean believing that LL is town right now based on this information.DrippingGoofball, 967 wrote:One of Twilight Sparkle and Mikujin are scum. I put my money on Mikujin.
One of these three is scum: Danakillsu, Locke Lamora, Thor665. I put my money on Locke Lamora.
Mikujin or Lock Lamora would make excellent lynches for today.
'Zdenek wrote:I'm sorry for my absence. I'd hoped to get caught up yesterday, but I couldn't access the internet from the airport I was flying from. I need a day to think about things and I will post tomorrow, but in the meanwhile . . . .
I strongly doubt that Magua is Stark because of his push on diddin yesterday.
I am willing to accept that because of the flavour that LL is cleared (my own knowledge of flavour is minimal, so I really am trusting others here)
I agree with MoI that Twilight Sparkle's use of soft accusations against him is scummy.
MoI, since Zoraster's flip, what are your opinions of Nexus and Dana?
I would guess that Bunnylover isn't Stark because of diddin's attack on her yesterday.
Vig...Probably SK. Second scum faction is looking less than likely if you ask me.Shadow1psc wrote: Diddin's death seems to imply a third faction, something that was brought up before. We could have a Vig, sure, you've been pretty analytical Magua, what do you think there?
So you dont think Zoraster more or less clears LL? Between Dana, LL, Thor... You will only be able to lynch Thor.DrippingGoofball wrote: One of Twilight Sparkle and Mikujin are scum. I put my money on Mikujin.
One of these three is scum: Danakillsu, Locke Lamora, Thor665. I put my money on Locke Lamora.
Mikujin or Lock Lamora would make excellent lynches for today.
BingoMagnaofIllusion wrote: A Hydra composed of Hito, Mina and Sotty should have had a much more Pro-Town Day 1 if they are Lannister aligned.
Whats the case on Mikujin?LynchMePls wrote: @Magua: What's the case on Twilight?
Vote: Mikujin
Nominate: Bunnylover
Ghostlin wrote:Most of you have said she's consistently been playing a bad game; I still think there's a chance she's scummy.
Flip-flop-flip-flip flip-flippity-flop….Time to proxy vote to Benmage.Ghostlin wrote:Reading Rai's ISO, he may not be scummy (although I'd almost bet a cheeseburger that he stands a good chance of it)
Circle talking here. I.e. IIoA. This is semantical fluff meant to appear active. Thor is scum.Thor665 wrote: I said there wasn't anything "too meaty" which is different from lack of anything meaty by quite a bit - and if you're going to be so seriously pedantic in taking in my comments I'm shocked you would overlook that. What is wrong with drawing conclusions when I don't think there has been anything really impressive - there is *nothing* that does not compute there.
Someone's busting out the chainsaws early. (Yes this cant be "chainsaw" till a flip....call it foreshadowing for now.)Thor665 wrote:Is there more to the Sparkle case than this? Because though this isn't exactly posh, it's not exactly top case of the day material either - usually you like thicker walls.MagnaofIllusion wrote:A Hydra composed of Hito, Mina and Sotty should have had a much more Pro-Town Day 1 if they are Lannister aligned.
This waffling is why BL is town. BL isn't a good player by any means Ghostlin. So it is easy to confuse his play as scummy when in reality its just poor. Yes it is tough to distinguish the two. The glaring town-tell should be his indolence in voting when faced with a horrid fakeclaim. Scum (like diddin and sparkl) would vote it without thinking twice. Even VI scum such as BL would've voted.Ghostlin wrote: ISO 19-20: Wants LL to claim; thing is, I wouldn't claim if I wasn't at L-1. This also reads an argument against MoI for having different reasons for placing a vote and NOT sheeping. This then dissolves into a WIFOMsque speculation on NKs that I'm not sure helps anyone, ever, and seems to ignore Doctors and Roleblockers.
Ehh...Not really. Town can afford to be more lackadaisical if you ask me. Scum are trying to play the cautious game and want to ensure what they say is usually secure.MagnaofIllusion wrote: In general I believe scum have less motivation to pay close attention to the thread. Thus my suspicion.
QFT. Thor is scum.MagnaofIllusion wrote: splitting hairs verbally is likewise suspect.
Thats worked for me a lot.Thor665 wrote: "They aren't townie enough" That's not a case.
I dont.Magua wrote:Do you see the discrepancy here?Bunnylover wrote:@Magua:Not sure where I'm going to put my vote.I'm debating with-in my head rather or not to vote Raivann, but if he town he just such an easy mislynch.I mean even I think he's scum, andI'm useless in my reads almost all my gamesexcept for three and one was with like 8 people left.
What do you think of Xvart?Thor665 wrote:I never had a vote on xvart - my slot did. Difference.
I've known this forever. I'm sure you'd not let it get past yourself....But I worry about the town VI's I want living.MagnaofIllusion wrote:Not likely since the two times we have seen it happen in joint games both players have been scum (ReaperCharlie in Supernatural and Maclock in Clash).Benmage wrote:Next someone will talk they’re way out of being tracked to a dead guy. FML.
Adjust all of these votes accordingly.Eddard Stark wrote:
Here is the list of people you may choose to lynch from and attack. There are still many scum left. You'd have to be a fool to think there's no scum in this list. Attack and find them.Benmage wrote: NEUTRAL
GreyICEDTMaster
DrippingGoofball
xvart
LynchMePls
Zdenek
SCUM
Feysal
Kast
MORE SCUM
Nexus
Song of ice and fireThor665
Twilight Sparkle
Lets not get crazy on the flavor. Bryden Tully is a badass if you ask me....But uhh yeah. I'm thinking one scum team.Feysal wrote: In addition, Brynden Tully seems to be a relatively obscure character, and if you had to pick three or four characters on the Stark side, I don't think he would make the cut. My conclusion is that there is only one main mafia faction, the Starks.
Bullet the Raivann case.Feysal wrote:Therefore,
Vote: Raivann
Yeah...dudes BA. Escapes the Riverrun when the turn it over. Come on.hasdgfas wrote:Twilight Sparkle wrote:d the relative obscurity of Bryden Tully.
Or it's an answer to a direct question. Also it is analysis - just analysis of my own play...unless you agree it's factual information but at that point it still is valid to have provided the information to disprove MoI's issue with me. Extract noggin from anus please.Benmage wrote:Circle talking here. I.e. IIoA. This is semantical fluff meant to appear active. Thor is scum.Thor665 wrote: I said there wasn't anything "too meaty" which is different from lack of anything meaty by quite a bit - and if you're going to be so seriously pedantic in taking in my comments I'm shocked you would overlook that. What is wrong with drawing conclusions when I don't think there has been anything really impressive - there is *nothing* that does not compute there.
Uf da!Benmage wrote:Someone's busting out the chainsaws early. (Yes this cant be "chainsaw" till a flip....call it foreshadowing for now.)Thor665 wrote:Is there more to the Sparkle case than this? Because though this isn't exactly posh, it's not exactly top case of the day material either - usually you like thicker walls.MagnaofIllusion wrote:A Hydra composed of Hito, Mina and Sotty should have had a much more Pro-Town Day 1 if they are Lannister aligned.
You honestly find his initial attack on me for the language *not* splitting hairs? You then agree that me pointing out that his hair splitting ignores how what I said is perfectly functional and decide that makes me scum? Ben, are you just too puffed up at the moment, or am I totally missing how MoI's issue on me is the most brilliant case ever? Because I look at it and see silliness and nothingness in equal amounts. I'll accept it as a scumtell on me - but only if you admit it's a scumtell on MoI first. Justify how it only works one way.Benmage wrote:QFT. Thor is scum.MagnaofIllusion wrote: splitting hairs verbally is likewise suspect.
Yeah, but when 'xxxxxx' is "more townie and 'zzzzz' is 'not as townie as I believe they should be it's not really meta anymore, is it? It's an arbitrary and undefined decision of where the level of towniness you decide they are worthy of exists.Benmage wrote:Thats worked for me a lot.Thor665 wrote: "They aren't townie enough" That's not a case.
Player A acts like "xxxxx" when town and "zzzzz" when scum.
Player A is acting like "zzzzz".
Player A is scum.
Its meta and its Smurfing great.
I'll let you know when I read up. He's given me zero to go on since I started posting, as he hasn't, and I still have all the back pages to catch up on.Benmage wrote:What do you think of Xvart?Thor665 wrote:I never had a vote on xvart - my slot did. Difference.
It is a scum-tell for you when you weigh in the fact that you've only been squabbling over this fluff rather than finishing your reading and focusing on some scum hunting. You're back and forth and semantic argument is to appear active. Without being active.Thor665 wrote: I'll accept it as a scumtell on me - but only if you admit it's a scumtell on MoI first. Justify how it only works one way.
Arbitrary, no. Subjective, yes. Effective. Indeed.Thor665 wrote: It's an arbitrary and undefined decision of where the level of towniness you decide they are worthy of exists.
Page 9. I haven't done any reading since page 8.Benmage wrote:ThorWhere are you on your 9-32 pg read through?
Eh...if I wasn't giving opinions on players at all I'd agree with that. However note that the heart of the semantics debate came from MoI because I started calling players town. Even you have accused me of chainsawing. If you guys are getting these reads off me clearly I'm not being shy with the opinions I do have. I'll admit I don't have opinions on everyone, nor that I have been a shining beacon of catching up, but I've hardly been attempting to be a wallflower and that's what that tell is based around - derpy doo to you too, Benmage.Benmage wrote:It is a scum-tell for you when you weigh in the fact that you've only been squabbling over this fluff rather than finishing your reading and focusing on some scum hunting. You're back and forth and semantic argument is to appear active. Without being active.Thor665 wrote: I'll accept it as a scumtell on me - but only if you admit it's a scumtell on MoI first. Justify how it only works one way.
Benmage wrote:Cow
What do you think of the segment in my post 1016 where I differentiate what a town-VI looks like and what a scum looks like.
Is it hard to use Google?Zdenek wrote:I am willing to accept that because of the flavour that LL is cleared (my own knowledge of flavour is minimal, so I really am trusting others here)
danakillsu wrote: raise: DGB For pointing out how stupid it is to self-raise. We all get that you want to tell us you're town and you trust yourself. It doesn't even need to be stated. Now start trying to play the actual game.
I also don't think that he was being honest about his awareness of the statistics of self-raising from the last game. I also feel that he wasted a lot of time talking about self-raising and hascow's post restrictions rather than scum hunting. Additionally, there his jumping at the chance to vote for xvart based on GreyICE's incorrect reading of his posts.dana wrote: Wrong. You are not keeping anything from happening by raising yourself. If we wanted to raise somebody else, we could do so whether you were raising yourself, someone else, or no one. Your job in this game is to convince other people that certain players are town or scum, and a raise of yourself because "you trust yourself and nobody else" doesn't help anyone. Let me put it this way: Do you lynch vote exclusively to see the person you vote for lynched?
Why does the presence of more than VI make a difference?Magua wrote: Because I am leery of people who say "Policy lynching a VI D1 is the smart move" when there's more than one VI.
LL called him out this already, but I'd like to draw attention to it again. He thinks that someone is faking a post-restriction but calls it a null-tell, which I think is nonsensical.Magua wrote: $10 says Hasdgfas is faking his post restriction. It's cute, but it's also nonsensical from a setup POV. Undecided on scumminess; not enough information yet. Nulltell.
Nexus wrote: Opinion on diddin: I agreed with his point on GreyICE in his first post. Not with his townread on DGB though. Disagree with his opinion on Benmage. Vote on Magua is a bit weak, really. Generally, Diddin hasn't really been posting much outside of talking about the VI/vigging debate, and answering some questions. I'm not convinced he should be the first lynch, anyhow.