Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[Tragedy]

@ Exe: Say we go through with your plan, but someone still dies. Amrun claims she was not elected killer. Would you want to kill Amrun?

Instead of killing

Amrun

right away, we musn't actually

Elect

her at all for betraying us. If it was a severe case when she's a mafia, then yes, she'd be executed the next day.

[Exe]

@ Exe: Say we go through with your plan, but someone still dies. Amrun claims she was not elected killer. Would you want to kill Amrun?

This is a stupid question, and similar to lining up lynches.
For one thing, we don't decide things so simply as "A happened, so kill B."
We would have to make an analysis, discuss things, and come to a reasonable conclusion.
For example, first we would make everyone claim they voted Amrun. If all townies were honest about this, then we could assume that scum either have more members than expected, have a way to steal the kill via a power, or that Amrun made the shot.
We would then actually discuss the likelihood of Amrun being scum, and we would

scumhunt

.

So short answer: No.
Long answer: This is a really pointless and rather scummy question.

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Still here. Waiting to die. God, this is taking forever.

[Amrun]

Answering Umbrage's question:

It depends. On night one? Well, that probably indicates that the executor (me, in this case) would be lying, since town definitely outnumbers scum (unless this is a bastard game).

Later on down the line, it would depend.

p-edit: Giving up, SV...? Are you claiming scum? I don't understand.

[Setael]

@ Exe: Say we go through with your plan, but someone still dies. Amrun claims she was not elected killer. Would you want to kill Amrun?

Instead of killing

Amrun

right away, we musn't actually

Elect

her at all for betraying us. If it was a severe case when she's a mafia, then yes, she'd be executed the next day.

Is there any chance of an SK or vig existing in this game that could be responsible for NKs besides the execution we choose? If there is anything definitive that says our execution pick is for certain the only NK, I've missed it. It is very possible that even if amrun submits a no kill, there will be another kill from another source that should not be assumed to be amrun betraying the town or scum somehow winning the vote. (Correct me if I've missed something - have there been previous execution games where the executions are the only kills?).

[Setael]

Also, SV's last post makes me feel even better that he's today's kill. If he were town, he'd be the one looking into people on his wagon instead of just whining that he's not dead yet.

[Umbrage]

Setael brings up a good point. Exe and Tragedy dodged the question.

@ Exe: You want a no-kill for a reason, but I can't follow your logic. You said that you wanted a no-kill so either scum will reveal themselves, or we won't lose a townie, but your hesitation to kill Amrun shows that scum could steal the kill from us and get away with it in your book, so what good does no-killing do? You say that narrowing the kill down to two choices gives scum the ability to influence the choice between two townies, but we run that risk in normal play. If that really was a concern for you, you would be looking at how today's kill was pushed between two candidates, myself and SV. Why haven't you called that out as scummy? Also, this implies that we the town are unable to tell when scum are trying to influence the wagon choices, which is basically saying that town can't scumhunt. Being able to tell when scum are trying to play the town is an integral part of the game. Hell, it's Mafia 101. You can't stop it from happening.

[Exe]

And what about allowing people to claim? Which person do we make claim before we execute SV?

And your argument is full of complete and total BS. For example:

You say that narrowing the kill down to two choices gives scum the ability to influence the choice between two townies, but we run that risk in normal play.

No fucking shit. That's why LINING UP LYNCHES IS SCUMMY.
We run that risk in normal play, which is WHY we don't let people get away with it.

So why the FUCK should we let them get away with it now?
God, you're so fucking anti-town. Just stop wasting our time and let us move on with actually pro-town strategies.


Here's the simple truth: No killing at night CANNOT HURT US.
So why the fuck are you so fucking opposed to it?
The ONLY way you should be SO SURE that we should kill at night is if you have some magical information on who is scum. However, I've seen your scum reads, so frankly I think you're either being ignorant or you're scum trying to push your scummy agenda.


We are seriously wasting time on stupid speculation.

[Umbrage]

Exe, you've pulled more anti-town shit then the rest of us combined. Don't try to blow off my questions by shouting a buzzword. And if you look back, I think you'll find I supported your idea to no-kill, until I started questioning your motives for wanting one. So quit acting like a child and answer me properly next time.

And what about allowing people to claim? Which person do we make claim before we execute SV?

Here we go. That's all you needed to say, thanks.

[Exe]

LOL. Nice "No you," defense. Very pro-town of you.

But sure. I've done "anti-town shit." I'm sure you can support that with actual examples...oh wait...

I didn't blow off your question, I pointed out why it was fucking anti-town. Don't blow off my accusation with your fucking bullshit.

So quit acting like a child and answer me properly next time.

Right. Calling your bullshit question scummy was totally acting like a child



OH and:

And what about allowing people to claim? Which person do we make claim before we execute SV?

Here we go. That's all you needed to say, thanks.

If you were reading, and not trying to just push your anti-town agenda, you would know that someone already said this about a page ago.

[Umbrage]

Take your medication and lie down for a while.

[Exe]

I'm going to be laughing so hard when you are executed tomorrow.

[Exe]

EBWOP: And that's all the medication I'll need.

[Umbrage]

Are we done with the posturing now?

[Exe]

There has been no posturing, but think what you want.
Is this day really still going?

[mallowgeno]

Alright, so I got a PM from the list mod telling me that one of you reported the post of another player. This is just a reminder; I am the mod of this game. If any issues should arise, please PM me first. The list mod will only PM me to tell me.

Also, in the complaint, the player said they were getting flamed. I don't really think that the attacker was really flaming and neither does the list mod. Just try to play nice kids, don't be too harsh with each other. Thanks!

[Setael]

I agree that exe wasn't flaming umbrage but, exe, can you please clean up your language? This post in particular was over the top.

No *EXPLETIVE* *EXPLETIVE*. That's why LINING UP LYNCHES IS SCUMMY.
We run that risk in normal play, which is WHY we don't let people get away with it.

So why the *EXPLETIVE* should we let them get away with it now?
God, you're so *EXPLETIVE* anti-town. Just stop wasting our time and let us move on with actually pro-town strategies.

Here's the simple truth: No killing at night CANNOT HURT US.
So why the *EXPLETIVE* are you so *EXPLETIVE* opposed to it?
The ONLY way you should be SO SURE that we should kill at night is if you have some magical information on who is scum. However, I've seen your scum reads, so frankly I think you're either being ignorant or you're scum trying to push your scummy agenda.


We are seriously wasting time on stupid speculation.

[Setael]

I don't think there's any chance we're going to come together on anything big before deadline. I propose we vote amrun as night executioner with the understanding that she is to no kill. If for some reason she kills someone other than SV as the daykill, we vote FF as the night executioner and he no kills.

All in favor, say aye. Not in favor, please provide a better plan.

[Exe]

I'm off partying til later tonight.

But frankly, I enjoy foul language. It spices up my life. I am (usually) careful not to flame in any personal direction, so I'm not breaking any rules. I simply like colorful adjectives.
But I'll try to tone it down...no promises though ;P

Aye.
I'm in favor of ending this nonsense with Amrun finally killing.

[Final Fires]

I'm for Am killing someone. I still would prefer Umbrage to SV, but I think at this point no one's going to change their opinions. This day is only going to go downhill if we keep dragging it out.

[Ant_to_the_max]

I agree with the said plan.

[Umbrage]

Since Amrun's the only person who I'll consider town regardless of SV's flip, I agree.

[Setael]

I have become progressively less sure of my umbrage read. I still prefer an SV execution, but Umbrag is closer to neutral on my scum scale.

[charter]

So in the last five pages, we have done nothing but piss each other off. I will say that I am very disappointed that Umbrage has wiggled her way out of dying. She had like four more votes than anyone else, but then we had to revote..... Need to check who first proposed a revote, because if SV (or whoever now has the most votes) is town, they are scum. Umbrage is still probscum. Don't even care about anything else. Don't care times 100 about who gets elected at night or if we kill, Amrun, just post what you want to do in your kill post so I'll see it.

[Amrun]

Okay, we want the kill NOW?

I'm going to vote for Final Fires at night. Just saying it now.

If I get the night kill, I'm killing vezokpiraka. If you don't want me to do that, vote for someone else. I would have done what we all elected to do at night, but I am entirely unclear on what that is, so this is my announcement of what I will do should I be elected as night killer.

I'm also feeling like this day won't get any better the more we drag it out.

Execute: Shattered Viewpoint