Alright, here we go. I'll be going over pretty much everyone targeted, just to catch up. And I'm writing this as I'm reading so if I switch my ideas halfway through and forget to quote something, I'm sorry.
I'll start with crazypianist because thats who you guys were calling me on before. Post 38-41, Crazy, winger, crazy, DH. Looking back, Crazy's "lol" seems perfectly harmless. It seems that DH took it to the next level by calling out a bandwagon on him. It seems like sarcasm and then a miscommunication of sarcasm that started the whole attack on crazy in the first place and now I just don't see it from that. It seems like winger joined onto the crazy train [lol] and tried to push it forward by intentionally making crazy seem suspicious by putting emotions behind his simple comment.
winger wrote:it seemed very much like crazypianist
did
have a problem with that vote
And then theres the whole "bluff" thing. Seems more like a lack of time to think of a clever response and instead saying something stupid, rather than being blatantly scummy.
Parama then came in and went right along with winger, consciously or not, in putting words into crazy's mouth.
Parama then starts sticking up for winger by taking his scumminess and saying "nahh, what scumminess?"
parama wrote:Plus, [winger] isn't flailing scum like crazy is, AND he's voting the flailing scum. If he's scum, he's helping us anyways
That seems more like and alignment than anything else thus far in the game (as of post 57)
After that comes winger. Post #68. I'm not certain at this point how much of his reasoning is suspicious versus how much is purely because he's a newbie, but since he claims to know the game, I can assume he knows at least most of what he's claiming and making himself seem like.
He seems easily threatened, and comes back not with truly good reasoning, but with sentences that make it seem like he is being attacked personally.
winger wrote:At what point in the game does it stop being "too early" to use the word "lie"? This is an arbitrary attack on me.
And then he switches back into the "I'm new here, help me learn" mode, so I'm confused.
I'm questioning a Parama/winger alignment right now, because of Parama's post #83. He seemed to have no problems with winger's play style before he admitted that he'd never played a game before, but once that information was known he got defensive, maybe because winger being a new player threatens Parama's chance of a good scum game? Just thinking here. And then he jumped on me for unvoting crazy. He and winger had a (small) wagon on crazy at that point and it still seemed like the rest of the players weren't terribly convinced, yet when I pulled my RVS vote he wanted to accuse me of teaming up with crazy? I'm confused with that logic, but it doesn't seem very towny.
And just to address it, Parama, you were putting words into crazy's mouth.
parama wrote:But you took it as a serious vote because you're paranoid.
No evidence, no valid point.
I feel like Bub hasn't really been reading crazy's side of the argument because he continued to miss the sarcasm that was blatantly there.
I've currently read up to page 4. So far my idea is that theres a scum hiding in the winger, parama, DH crazy wagon, because crazy just seems to be sarcastic.
And then theres Sundy. His reason's against people were verging on idiotic and then he jumps onto a popular train. I don't think theres more that needs saying on that case. It's a stupid play style, but he does seem to redeem himself in post 108 and after that his ideas become much more easy to relate to.
Sundy makes good points, such as :
Sins of the newbie are sins of the newbie. However Winger's sins (casting aspersions on another player by inventing motives) seem more egregious than Pianist's (responding to his name listed in RVS).
and then winger pulls the typical scum move and gets defensive about it not by defending himself but by stating that it absolutely cannot be. Wingers is a simple case of shouting something loud enough and strong enough that people will believe you.
My final reads on everyone
Parama - his play style is aggressive, but it was the same in the last game I played with him and we ended up lynching him D1 and he was town, so I don't really want to risk that again.
crazy - seems sarcastic, but otherwise not scummy. He's come back from being wagoned and defended himself with reason.
DH - seems less like a scum and more like he just doesn't pick up sarcasm very well. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt on this one and call town.
Sundy - initially posted very poorly but has come back strong and now makes some valid points.
Twisted - seems to just be having a dandy old time.
Bub - I don't think he understands sarcasm either/he doesn't read threads very carefully..
AGar - I'm liking his rationing. doesn't seem to have said anything scummy yet.
Oso - I see nothing suspicious so far
Akira - I'll need more information
sordros - same lack of information
RBT - stop being ignorant and start playing the game that you're currently active in.
winger - easily threatened, comes back with remarks that make it seem like everyone is personally attacking him. He also likes to say things as if they are facts when they truly are not.
Winger is by far the scummiest character in this game.
vote: winger