New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[Fishythefish]

Quick note as I'm doing further research:

DeathNote submitted a Jester role. Could Ender have received it? Is making up a role conceivable for him, in his meta? If he's jester, he's doing a good job so far (imho). Still, he could have pushed pressure when he got some votes earlier. Just throwing it out there.

DeathNote himself is giving me scumpings. Several times, he asks, "Is this scummy? Is that scummy?" in an open-ended form. It's strange to me and I honestly think he's asking for behaviors to avoid while passing it off as flippant.

The subtle insertion of "we" when he's referring to a group that suspects someone he did not suspect was something someone else pointed out and that didn't occur to me, but I might as well restate it.

Also, complete lack of scumhunting from DeathNote.

On to ISO someone else.

This was my very first case on DN in day 1. After that, it continues to go downhill. He flat out REFUSES to refute anything, quickhammered (on scum, but quickhammers are still bad, in light of "Mafia C"), does not scumhunt, and in general is just rolling happily in anti-town play.

ThAd and some others have also brought up different, and valid, points against DN.


This is for fishythefish, who asked for a case summary, but also for DN himself since he seems to be too lazy to read.

- Lack of scumhunting is fair, and a point against DN.
- Refusal to defend yourself just isn't a good scumtell for me; it's not like it helps you avoid attention.
- On day 1 (and day 2) we got lynches at smaller numbers of players on a BW than declared (possibly the "Risky Super voter" explains both; certainly explains day 2. So DN wasn't quickhammering, from his point of view. Actually, it's extraordinary if DN hasn't corrected you himself here; if I were town, and accidentally hammered when I thought I was just voting, it would be a big deal, and not something I'd forget about quickly. @DN: why didn't you mention this?

[chesskid3]

3 scumteams
idonthinkso

[DeathNote]

I hammered Furcolow thats why. I voted Xalxe day 2.

[Fishythefish]

End of Day Vote Count

Furcolow (9) – Nocmen, populartajo, Xalxe, DemonHybrid, Fishythefish, danakillsu, StrangerCoug, Internet Stranger, DeathNote
Xalxe (6) – zoraster, Zajnet, Sevei, ender241, WhenInRome, Furcolow
Olinea (1) – Tasky
DeathNote (1) – Amrun
DemonHybrid (1) – brokenscraps
Tasky (1) – Olinea

Not Voting (2) – Thadmiral, Plum

*Modscene is correct before someone messages me about it being wrong

There were 21 alive, it was 11 to lynch. Your vote shouldn't have been a hammer. Did you think it was when you cast it?

[DeathNote]

I was unaware of the current vote count. I had just assumed that I hammered.

[Amrun]

But did you think when you were voting that you were hammering?

I was unaware of this discrepancy. Thanks, fishy.

[DeathNote]

I just voted. Then he got lynched and so I realized that I hammered. It didn't phase me at all.

[Amrun]

Okay, that's less of a tell to me, but still a small one.

He wasn't even given opportunity to claim. (In hindsight, I'm glad, but the thinking behind it is still scummy.)

[populartajo]

current position

DemonHybrid>>>Deathnote>Xalxe.

Why do you people think DemonHybrid is town?

[ThAdmiral]

I forget the case on demonhybrid, but I don't really have much feelings about him either way.

It's funny being in a position, however, where I'm more or less equally happy to vote either of the lynch leaders today. I don't think I've ever been in that situation before!

[populartajo]

I dont even want to understand what has happened with all the revival and the 1955 snipping.

Furcolow....
....oh right, now I remember you. You're a VI.

When hunting for possible scumpartners, DemonHybrid came up as second suspect.
Other reasons include voting using weak reasoning and backtracking on his read on me to support a lynch on a townie.

DemonHybrid's Question: Who is scum?

tajo and IS I'd say.

tajo makes the most valid point of all. He's really have gotten better as of late.

Vote: Strangercoug

and killing Plum.

Unvote Vote: Demonhybrid.

also constant apologizing (scared of being caught scumtell).

Sorry guys, probably going to do a full post when I have computer access at my parents house late this night about my opinions so far. Not going to get into detail since I'm on my phone.

I'm having a ton of weather and car problems. Post coming in a few hours, apologies.

[CooLDoG]

Nice case, but deathnote/xalxe (fuck you I hate your name), are much worse. I and chesskid (hopefully) will vote for ether of the two if it comes down to it. I personally agree with chesskid, how in the world can their be enough blocks+docs to defend off 3 scumteams? Really?

One thing I tend to not like from arum is the fact that she is always defending other people. For some reason I get a funny vibe off of that... question, What do you think of xlax?

Deathnote, answer to the damn case, or post something of meaning, plz, thx.

Fishy is town fyi.

@chesskid, Read the first page and the last page and you will get a good gist of the game.

[Amrun]

Cooldog, who have I defended? Seriously.

[DemonHybrid]

I dont even want to understand what has happened with all the revival and the 1955 snipping.

Furcolow....
....oh right, now I remember you. You're a VI.

When hunting for possible scumpartners, DemonHybrid came up as second suspect.
Other reasons include voting using weak reasoning and backtracking on his read on me to support a lynch on a townie.

DemonHybrid's Question: Who is scum?

tajo and IS I'd say.

tajo makes the most valid point of all. He's really have gotten better as of late.

Vote: Strangercoug

and killing Plum.

Unvote Vote: Demonhybrid.

also constant apologizing (scared of being caught scumtell).

Sorry guys, probably going to do a full post when I have computer access at my parents house late this night about my opinions so far. Not going to get into detail since I'm on my phone.

I'm having a ton of weather and car problems. Post coming in a few hours, apologies.

Tajo, my car broke down on the highway and Im without a desktop until further notice. Could you be patient?

[DemonHybrid]

So, fuck it. Going to post this with spelling errors and abridged thoughts.


plain and simple, I don't like the IS StrangerCoug vote. And while I can see the case on DeathNote, I've played a few games with him and I think he has a naturally scummy play style. Xalxe comes off as a strange person to me, rather than a scummy player. I also don't understand all of this night kill speculation. What happened happened, it's too early to try to figure out who did what.

Vote: Internet Stranger

[Internet Stranger]

What the hell, dont be such a hypocrite, you voted for Coug for the exact same reasons. You thought it was a slam dunk just as much as everyone else did and now youre trying to single me out on it too? Then you wonder why Tajo thinks youre a scumbag too.

The fact remains that Xalxe is my #1 scum read, whats your opinion on Xalxescum, Hybrid? None of this "He is strange" nonsense.
What about DeathNote? Scummy playstyle? META BULLSHIT, really?!?

Which scum are you trying to save here, Hybrid?

IGMEOY: DemonHybrid

[DemonHybrid]

So XalxeScum, tell me this: Why wont you vote for CougScum?

Notice that CougScum said

MULTIPLE

Scumteams. Not

TWO

. He used the word

MULTIPLE

. So why are you stalling? Clearly the topic is "StrangerCoug, which scumteam is he on?" now, why are you being deliberate in your attempts to avoid the subject?

Why XalxeScum, WHY?

2FOS: Xalxe

This post.

I don't like how you tested the waters with the Xalxe FoS, especially in a theatrical way, then switched to SC when Nocmen pushed you around. Tajo just happened to convince me and push me over the edge whereas you felt like restating your suspicion for Xalxe first. I dont feel comfortable with it.

[DemonHybrid]

eBWOP: Correction; also didn't see the broken tag at first, but the point still stands that you felt like you needed to restate your Xalxe suspicion the whole way along the SC bandwagon just in case the suspicion was switched. I don't like FoSes and Votes in the same post.

[Internet Stranger]

Dude, I been calling for Xaxle's head since DAY 1. Once I finally get others to see the light and lynch that scum I will rejoice in my vindication. In the meantime, if other plausible scum come aboard, im lynching them too.

You want to make a case about bad arguments, go harass the one that made the initial crappy argument in the first place, not me. Its not my fault that it sounded good at the time and thats where the momentum shifted. By your logic, you should be all over Tajo. Inconsistent much?

[populartajo]

DemonHybrid, whats wrong with having FoSes and Votes in the same post?

Also if IS thinks both Xalxe and Coug are scum, whats wrong on him restating his Xalxe suspicion?

[populartajo]

You want to make a case about bad arguments, go harass the one that made the initial crappy argument in the first place, not me. Its not my fault that it sounded good at the time and thats where the momentum shifted. By your logic, you should be all over Tajo. Inconsistent much?

where did DemonHybrid made a case about bad argument?

[DemonHybrid]

DemonHybrid, whats wrong with having FoSes and Votes in the same post?

Also if IS thinks both Xalxe and Coug are scum, whats wrong on him restating his Xalxe suspicion?

I feel as if the xalxe suspicion has been a constant backup. He sort of rides along on his SC vote while making a stronger case against Xalxe, yet not voting for him. I don't find it authentic; somethings off.

And yes, a majority of cases where FoSes and votes happen in the same post, it's bad news. That's for mafia discussion and not here though. It's certainly not the basis of my argument, as IS did it all bandwagon.

[Tasky]

Olinea(1) - Tasky

is this votecount correct?



UNVOTE: ,VOTE: DemonHybrid

[Nocmen]

At this time, unless I can be extremely convinced otherwise, I will not vote DH.

[populartajo]

what dont you like about my case, Nocmen?