Okay. I've decided to make one more attempt to defend myself, and then drop it. To this end, I will summarize the case against me and provide my responses to each point made against me.
Point One: Inside information
This is what LynchMePls began to push me for. He claims that in post
#538 I gave Locke a town read based on his interactions with DGB and zoraster. This would imply that I was working on the assumption that there was a single scum team, which I contradicted in post
#628 by saying I believed there were two. Finally, at the start of the second day, I concluded that one scum team was more likely in light of new information in post
#1026. According to LynchMePls, I first slipped that I had inside information, then backtracked, and finally changed my mind again.
This is the point that I hate most of all. I simply never said what LynchMePls claims I did. My town read on Locke was not due to interactions with anyone, and therefore the supposed slip of inside information is not even incorrect, it is nonexistent. I've repeatedly tried to explain this to LynchMePls, last time in post
#1346, but he has only screamed at me that I am lying or ignored me. Instead he has bullied and attacked other players for disbelieving him, like Bunnylover in post
#1254 and danakillsu in post
#1441.
Oddly enough, though he has ceased to respond to me, LynchMePls contradicted his own case while responding to Magua in post
#1326. His second theory that I would know that there are two scum teams invalidates what he called an inside information slip in the first place. The one he screamed I was lying about. He is actually trying to claim that I must have been lying about something no matter how many scum teams there are, while ignoring the fact that many others shared my belief in one scum team when day two started. In his later posts, LynchMePls is usually not even accusing me of inside information any more, and he clearly should not, since he seems unsure exactly what inside information I would even have.
I declare that point one is pure fail, and based on nothing but LynchMePls sucking at reading comprehension.
Point Two: connections to diddin and Xtoxm
This point is mainly by Setael, and I concede it is the strongest part of the case on me. The point is that I called diddin scummy several times on day one, but I never voted or pushed him. This would supposedly be scum distancing. The only thing LynchMePls contributed to this point is the connection to Xtoxm. I mentioned him once in a positive connection, and this would supposedly be scum buddying each other.
My answer to why I did not vote or push diddin is that at first I did not want to place an uninformed vote while I was catching up, and when I had caught up I had found other suspects more deserving of my vote. For the same reason I did not ISO read diddin or try to make a case on him, he was simply a secondary suspect and I saw bigger fish to fry. LynchMePls of course does not accept this, when I confronted him with the fact that he was also voting Raivann when I was, he completely dodged it in his response post
#1254. For the record, this is what he actually said when I was voting Raivann on day one:
Clearly LynchMePls is being hypocritical when criticizing me for voting Raivann. The only difference to himself is that I had noticed diddin also and he had not.
As for Xtoxm, I am supposedly scummy for buddying another scum. Thus this point tries to claim that I am scummy for distancing diddin and buddying Xtoxm. This makes no sense, particularly not that I would buddy lurking scum with only one post.
For those of you who wonder why I mentioned Xtoxm at all, you have to see my post in context. The post in question was
#325, written after reading pages 6-11. One major topic of discussion in those pages was what to do with the governor ability, and several suggestions were made for how to get rid of it. GreyICE was of course demanding it for himself, to never be used.
Kast suggested arranging a draw for raise votes, so the ability would never be given to anyone.
Benmage and
MoI suggested wasting it on someone early. Then along comes
Xtoxm with the most practical solution of them all, give it to the lynch of the day, who can't use it to save himself. I of course did not want to waste the ability (though had I known what Benmage would do with I may have thought otherwise), but Xtoxm still had the best solution for how to get rid of the power, if that was what the town wanted to do.
Note that there was more to this discussion than the posts I linked to, those were just the suggestions for what to do with the governor power. My mention of Xtoxm was intended as part of that discussion, and nothing else.
So much for point two. I say that Setael has made the best contributions to the case against me, and crediting the case as a whole to LynchMePls is doing her misjustice. That is also why I have gained a strong town read on her: scum would not demand credit for pushing a mislynch.
Point three: zoraster and Locke
This one was brought up by Locke. He wondered why I mentioned zoraster at all together with him in my post
#538. My answer was that zoraster indeed had nothing to do with the point I was making, and that he had simply stuck in my mind with Locke.
I might as well explain that a bit further. That post was written after reading from page 14 to the end of the thread. Near the start of that page, zoraster called Locke "pretty scummy" and voted him. That caught my attention, and since I'd noticed no such thing, I wondered if I'd missed something. I began to pay closer attention to what Locke was saying, and discovered I liked his posts. Thus I gave him a town read. On the other hand, as I read the thread up to page 22, zoraster had a long series of posts devoid of scumhunting and pushing any of his suspects. Thus I gave him a scum read.
Simply put, what zoraster said about Locke caught my attention. This does not mean I'd have given them reads based on any interaction between them, Locke appeared townish to me independently of zoraster and zoraster appeared scummy independently of Locke. But they were still stuck in my mind together at the time I finished my read and wrote post #538 because of why I'd begun to pay them attention to begin with.
I don't think I can explain this any better. Onwards to the last point.
Point Four: Semantics
For this one credit (or blame) goes exclusively to MoI. According to his conclusion in post
#1353 I was scummy for linguistic obfuscation. I asked him what the scum motivation would be for obscuring how many times I'd seen Zdenek's comment used, and in post
#1407 he answered that because my stance was scummy and I was cherry picking events from prior games to support my stance.
Of course, MoI's logic is flawed. By the time he posted his conclusion, it had been established that I had only encountered Zdenek's comment once before, and thus from a sample size of one no cherry picking was possible. As for having a stance that he considered scummy, I was able to point to a past game where using Zdenek's comment contributed to a mislynch and the town loss, and the obvtown player the mislynched player had suspected was in fact scum. I am not obligated to discard my own experience in favor of MoI's. And after a little digging, I found a quote from myself from that game, where I disagreed with that tell the first time I saw it:
I was town in this game. My opinion of this tell being poor has only been strengthened after seeing how it contributed to a mislynch and the town loss.
I consider point four disproven in its entirety.
There, all done. I think I covered all the concerns people have raised against me. If I missed something, do point it out.
I could not disagree more with this. By refusing to acknowledge me you are denying me the chance to defend myself, and you are avoiding having to answer for your flawed arguments. You are hiding behind an excuse, and if you had not confessed to killing Chesskid, I would call you scum for it.
LynchMePls [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2862874#p2862874]#1480[/url] wrote:By itself is it strong evidence of Feysal-scum? No, not really. But when added with the very strong scummy interactions with diddin, it makes it fairly strong circumstantial evidence that Feysal is connected with the Starks. Add on top the D1 suggestion that there was only 1 scum team, that he then back tracked under pressure, but then re-asserted when D2 started, and the whole thing stinks.
I love how you admit that the evidence is circumstantial. Answer then, if you can, how does one avoid being scummy then if anyone you mention in your posts can flip scum and damn you by association? If merely mentioning a scum player regardless of context is a scumtell, it sounds like the only safe way to play mafia is to never talk about anyone at all. You are making yourself ridiculous.
You expected correctly. I do in fact have a minor power role. I also know it is exactly the sort of claim that scum would make under pressure, so it is unlikely to help me, but sharing what I've done with it is still better than being killed during the night. The worst part though is my name. I've heard two players claim that there is no way my character would be town aligned, and that is why I fear my claim will result in my quicklynch. But I can't help that, my role is what it is.
Time to claim, while there is still time for discussion before the deadline.
I am Petyr Baelish aka Littlefinger, voyeur, Lannister aligned.
My one and so far only target has been Kast. He was not visited by anyone else last night.