Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[mb53]

That is terrible logic TS. Absolutely

terrible

excuse not to defend yourself.

Dropping my town read down to a could-go-either-way read (null).

[Twistedspoon]

shrug

i don't have to defend myself 5 pages into the game.
I don't see what your point is

[vezokpiraka]

You can scum hunt and defend yourself.

[Twistedspoon]

like i say, I don't see the point in defending myself 5 pages in but to keep you guys happy, I'll say that scum would never be as active as me, I wasn't rolefishing, and my pro-townness outweighs my anti-towness

That's as far as I'll go on defending myself for now. I don't have time to talk about the only confirmed townie I know of in the game (me), when there are 12 other players who could be scum for all I know.

@Vezok: true, but I scumhunt better than i defend, and that's what I prefer to do 5 pages into the game. Defending myself at this point is just silly and only scum usually want to waste time by getting players to do this.

[mb53]

@TS

You can scum hunt and defend yourself.

This. There is no reason for you not t defend yourself. You are just using a lame excuse.

Also, you said you wanted to question vezo. So... why aren't you asking questions?

@vezo

Who do you think is scum?

[mb53]

Meh. Less than adequate defense. Keeping you at null.

[Twistedspoon]

It's 5 pages in, day 2. Come page 8/9 I'll happily defend myself.
Not sure why you want me to defend myself so much. Why do you care if I defend myself well or not, especially if I'm a null read.

Vezok? She posted this

Oh. I see. I thought everyone had that thing and all the townies would have known why I was asking the question. Turns out I was wrong.

After that my questions were answered.

[Morthas]

Re-reading the whole threat~~~

hoppster is acting all suspiciousy. He's accused me of rolefishing. It's hard to beat Vezok at that though.
anyways, It looks like hoppster might know too much for VT too.

Isn't that what you're doing?

Hoppster wrote:

Kalofer wrote:
Also, where are you from crazy
Twisted and Hopper do you like anime?

Sorttttt of.

RQS ended hoppster, keep up

It just seems you're desperately trying to divert the attention to the source of all attention to you by nickpicking (or is it called strawmanning here?)

Hoppster is trying very hard to sound town.

Where?

and you still look like you're trying too hard to look both town, dictate play and defend vezok
Caps lock doesn't strengthen your argument either
anyways, I'm not interested in tunneling on hoppster as he is on me.

Still trying very hard to nickpick things to accuse him of

Hoppster wrote:
I'm not trying to defending Vezok.

Backpeddling? Lets' see, you accused me of rolefishing over vezok, themaster of the art, and

Are you going to be angry when i tell you i accuse you of rolefishing too? I mean, you do it like a proper mafia - not blunt out but you seem to be generally very very interested in ''who is more than a VT''

Anyway, everybody lynch TS now, it's already taken too long.

Im taking a guess you are either gouging reactions or being very anti town with which so far i am not sure what to think of you

moar buddying

trying to make allies are we?

anyways, scum will have likely gone unnoticed so far, under the radar as it will

Hoppster is merely trying to make a name for himself as a scumhunter. Apparently the end justifies the means to him, no matter how anti-town they may be. coughsheepingbuddyingstrawmanningdefendingquestiondodgingetc.cough

In the same goddamn post you say that scum are probably under the radar and then you go out saying that Hoppster is scum, contradiction in one post.
Some of that stuff about Hoppster we're already explained, and proven how much they wouldn't make sense. Restate the reasons you are voting Hoppster

Somehow I feel that only scum would notice this.

You're obviously wrong since numerous players already did (including myself)

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

/facepalm/ You were JUST accusing Hoppster of doing the same thing (buddying, which is what Toasty was pointing out) in nearly the same manner...

Ops, Hoppster mentioned ^ that himself in the next post... damn

Also, although I don't really like to go too much into closed game mechanics at such an early stage, but has anyone noticed that there were 2 kills pre-game (even though they aren't actually players). I don't know general mafia team setups for mini-themes (2 mafia, or 1 large(r) mafia), but since there were 2 kills, it already suggests something...

True enough, let's think about this in the next day though.

reading this page you guys seem to want me to destroy the cases against me.
But flailing and defending myself is scummish.
Scumhunting is the best defence and hopefully I'll move onto hat soon.

Oh, and i've seen a pattern that scum are always going after the most active players in my games.
Curse my high posting rate.

anyways, I expect the real scum to be lurking so far, and will try and comment on this when more people get to posting

So wait, if that's what you think, why are you still voting for him? I mean if you pressure voted him, by presuming that ''real'' scum are lurking you are making your vote quite pointless

Twistedspoon wrote:
But flailing and defending myself is scummish.

@mb & TS: You're already doing this, the only thing using logic would do is make your case look competent... I can't really see a downside there.

+1

shrug

how can I scumhunt when I'm defending myself.

Anyways, scum would want me to defend myself; it distracts me from scumhunting.

Scum would want you to waste time by defending youself? Bs. Scum would want all the attention diverted at someone who can't defend themselves (which is what happening to you right now ;D). Bad logic

like i say, I don't see the point in defending myself 5 pages in but to keep you guys happy, I'll say that scum would never be as active as me, I wasn't rolefishing, and my pro-townness outweighs my anti-towness

That's as far as I'll go on defending myself for now. I don't have time to talk about the only confirmed townie I know of in the game (me), when there are 12 other players who could be scum for all I know.

@Vezok: true, but I scumhunt better than i defend, and that's what I prefer to do 5 pages into the game. Defending myself at this point is just silly and only scum usually want to waste time by getting players to do this.

Opinion on TS's self called ''defense''
1) From experience: Yes, yes they would, maybe it's not as likely to see a scum active poster than a town active poster but the possibility isn't that far off
2)A few people pointed out just ''how'' you were rolefishing. How about you counter those points with what we're your intentions at given points of time.
3) Who are you to judge yourself? Besides wouldn't only scum measure how ''pro town'' they are?
4)Yes, yes you do, and that's exactly why. You are the only one who knows if you're town
5)Not true and look at 3)

It's 5 pages in, day 2. Come page 8/9 I'll happily defend myself.
Not sure why you want me to defend myself so much. Why do you care if I defend myself well or not, especially if I'm a null read.

If you provide a good enough defense maybe then you can finally stop being that much of an attention ho
UNVOTE: VOTE: TwistedSpoon
You all should know why.

@Amrun: How about scumhunting?
@Everyone who has 1-5 posts: Join in, don't be shy, there's CANDY~~~ (Sorry Kalofer, i AM a hypocrite)
Ah, i have a slight town read on Hoppster and nearly (if not all) arguments used against him we're bs ;

[Twistedspoon]

wagoning noted

If you provide a good enough defense maybe then you can finally stop being that much of an attention ho
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encouraging someone to post less seems anti-town.

regarding my comment to tasty, i was contrasting how hoppster buddys to how I point out a pro-town action of a player.
Hoppster said

Zyrc, I love you.

I said

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

I posted the toasty comment to show hoppster what he should be doing. Hoppster's 'zyrc i love you' helps the town in no-way, but mine encourages pro-town actions

see the difference yet?

i may die but that doesn't stop my win condition. Killing scum helps me get there, and that's what I need to do to win, not stay alive. This is why defending myself isn't my top priority, especially 5 pages in

[Twistedspoon]

seriously, how can you tar

Zyrc, I love you.

and

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

with the same brush?

One of them is buddying. Have a guess which one

[Morthas]

seriously, how can you tar

Zyrc, I love you.

and

@Toasty: glad to see someone isn't basing their reads off of one pretty post. +1 townie point

with the same brush?

One of them is buddying. Have a guess which one

Taken from the http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Buddying_Up

Typically the Mafia member will try to be friendly in some way, either outright or, more often, subtly.

Both buddying, yours is a little more subtle

[vezokpiraka]

LOL. Twisted spoon is so scummy.

I don't have a complete grasp of the game so fat mb. I have twistedspoon as scum. Amrun as scum. Some neutral. And you as town. I may have missed some but it's hard to give reads on page 5.


Also: I AM MALE. Stop calling me she.

unvote
vote twistedspoon

[Twistedspoon]

and guess which one of those the mafia use.

anyways, I've already said why mine wasn't buddying.

Even I'm not stupid enough to buddy after telling hoppster off for it

Ninja'd: Vezok posted. anyways, looks like Vezok is riding the wagon here

[Twistedspoon]

looks like I'm on L-2

ouch.
This is the last time i'll be active day 1.

[Morthas]

LOL. Twisted spoon is so scummy.

I don't have a complete grasp of the game so fat mb. I have twistedspoon as scum. Amrun as scum. Some neutral. And you as town. I may have missed some but it's hard to give reads on page 5.


Also: I AM MALE. Stop calling me she.

unvote
vote twistedspoon

Get a complete grasp already ;D. By ''you'' you are referring to?

[Zyrconium]

He's refering to MB, reread the sentance, it's kinda subtle, but it's the only logical conclusion.

Whaaa, whaa, you're picking on me for talking too much!

This is AtE... it's suprisingly effective on me, but when I notice it, it pissed me off even more, if you happen to be town TS, you're really really bad at it.....

[Twistedspoon]

Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy

Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.

And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.

[Twistedspoon]

and talk about wagoning.

Is no-one here going to talk about any other suspects, or are we going to let the mafia lurk and walk free?
Pro-lurking tunnelers you guys are.

[vezokpiraka]

I was talking to mb.

We aren't letting lurkers get a free pass. You are scummier than most lurkers. You are the lynch for today.

[Twistedspoon]

We aren't letting lurkers get a free pass. You are scummier than most lurkers. You are the lynch for today.

?

and you know how scummy the lurkers are?

scum could have said next to nothing yet, enjoying the fact that you're onto me.

anyways, since when did 5 people decide today's lynch?

[Morthas]

Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy

Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.

And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.

Um, no.

[Twistedspoon]

If i was scum I'd be

a lot

less active and be defending myself

a lot

more.

How can i scumhunt when you guys are at my necks?

Once you stop tunneling, you'll see which direction we need to head in.

[vezokpiraka]

Why can't you defend and scum hunt at the same time?

It's like saying you can't blink and breathe at the same time.

These are two separate things with no correlation in between.

[vezokpiraka]

Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy

Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.

And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.

Um, no.

This is scummy. Morthas moved to my scum list now. i love it when scum get to cocky and think they can say anything to the suspect.

[Twistedspoon]

Why can't you defend and scum hunt at the same time?

well, i guess I could, but when I try and do both I end up doing neither very well.
playstyle I guess.
I also find it a bit early for me to defend, 2 days into day 1