Awesome. Got it done while waiting for class to start.
Why Umbrage Thinks Snake Eyes is Scum:
Since it IS a very good place to start, let's start at the very beginning.
When I made voted ConSpiracy, I tried to make why as clear as possible.
Umbrage wrote:Why me? As I said, I don't consider RVS means much in the way of scum versus town. I really don't think anyone can find scum on page one... You singled me out for a reason, but why would you ask for my thoughts when I said I find RVS meaningless?
Which I think explains my position clearly. However, when Snake Eyes voted me, this was his post:
Snake Eyes wrote:Umbrage wrote:OK, so my vote on ConSpiracy is about as serious as you can get for page 1 reads. Xtoxm stands out as odd to me, he didn't random vote, he didn't really say hello or anything, he just answered the questions. I'm not saying it's scum or town, it just looks odd.
Why is ConSpiracy asking you specifically a question a somewhat serious scumtell? What about it is more scummy than a person who is arguably not doing much to get the game out of RVS, and why point it out if it's not scummy?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage
I find a few faults in this post. For one, he more or less says that I should find xtoxm more scummy than ConSpiracy because he's not getting out of RVS, which is weird. But more to the point, he says he doesn't know my reasons for voting CS, although I outlined them in my previous post. Apparently, he didn't see that post, or it didn't grab his attention. Which means that it was likely my saying that the vote was serious that triggered this response, since that is what he quoted and to what he responded. It wasn't the vote itself; it was his knowing that there was a serious vote that made him vote me.
If he truly didn't understand my reasoning, then why did he vote me at this point? The logical thing to do if you don't understand someone's reasoning is to ask them to explain, not assume the reasoning is scummy and vote them.
Snake Eyes later tries to cover his tracks by claiming that this vote on me was simply to get a wagon started. This would explain why he voted without knowing my reasoning, as well as his apathy for said reasoning. However there are a few holes in this story. Firstly, why would he bandwagon me? CS was the better choice, simply because he already had a serious vote on him, mine. I explicitly said that it was serious, and clearly Snake Eyes saw that the vote was serious, as he quoted me saying so. Now, if he was really trying to get out of RVS via a wagon, voting CS would be the logical step, since he already had a serious vote, the wagon was serious, and not a joke RVS one. What's more, he would've likely noticed that I was trying to do the same thing to CS. A wagon is stronger when it has more than one person pushing the wagon. I was already pushing hard on CS. Why didn't he just join up with me? By wagoning me and not CS, he makes it clear that
he knew CS was trying to get out of RVS, but he didn't know I was doing the same, even though I explicitly said my vote on CS was serious
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Snake Eyes wrote:It's less scummy to join a bandwagon on someone I don't have a scumread on, than it is to pressure you after you've made a questionable post, and then push a wagon on you when I do have a scumread on you?
In this bit, he inadvertently reveals that he did find me scummy at the time of his vote, so the claim that it was to get out of RVS was a lie. Watch:
It's less scummy to join a bandwagon on ConSpiracy, than it is to pressure you?
That's a shortened version of the above quote I made for clarity's sake. The person he didn't have a scumread on was ConSpiracy.
It's clear the point he was making was that since he didn't have a scumread on CS, it was better for him to pressure me. But he said he didn't find me scummy at that point, so he was wagoning someone he didn't have a scumread on anyway. Why then, would he say CS was a poorer wagon because he didn't have a scumread on him? By saying that his lack of a scumread on CS influenced his decision to wagon me, he admits that he wouldn't bandwagon someone he didn't have a scumread on, and yet he maintains he didn't have a scum read on me.
And for bonus scumpoints, we have the attitude towards CS. He said he found CS town at the start of the game. When I asked him why, he insisted this was the reason:
Snake Eyes wrote:It looked like an attempt to move the game into something more meaningful than RVS, in a way that was likely to bring attention to him. There's little scum motivation to do so, but there is a pretty clear town motive.
I don't see why scum would not want to move the game past RVS. In fact, the faster we're out of RVS, the faster a lynch will happen, and scum want fast lynches. So if anything, wanting to move the game past RVS is a scumtell.
TL; DR: Snake Eyes is lying scum. He contradicts himself. His play shows a relationship with CS, either they are both scum, or Snake Eyes is trying to buddy him.
I'll explain it to you. You have to get someone else to understand it for you.