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*Moves arms to form four concentric rings all touching*Shadow1psc wrote:Eddard Stark wrote:
*Moves fingers over head in halo shape*
*Points at beer and then at mouth*
*shrug*
@Zdenek - nothing for Nexus though?-
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I think there is a good case for Nexus being scum, I think it's essentially covered in Magua's post (except I don't think he mentioned the fact that Nexus said that diddin would be a bad day one lynch, which could have been one scum buddy softly protecting another), but my vote can only be in one place.Thor665 wrote: @Zdenek - nothing for Nexus though?I have secret plans and clever tricks.- The Enormous Crocodile.-
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I expect a serial killer to have a nightkill. The rolecop on Zdenek is "Modified Nightkill Immune." No mention of a nightkill.popsofctown wrote:So you expect the SK to have NO extra power whatsoever? "You are a mafia B goon. You have no partners, though, good luck beating the 5 man scumteam i put in the game with every single member having a power. I'm an evil, evil moderator, go to hell."
I would expect an SK who is rolecopped to either come up as, "Modified Nightkill Immune Nightkiller" *or* "Vanilla" depending upon investigation immunity dynamics. I would not expect them to come up with only *part* of their role.
How so? Dana could be a Stark goon. Zdenek, IMO, cannot possibly be Stark. Where's the inconsistency?popsofctown wrote: Your attitudes toward danakillsu and zdenek seem rather inconsistent with eachother.-
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So what does modified mean? Modified with a nightkill?Magua wrote:I expect a serial killer to have a nightkill. The rolecop on Zdenek is "Modified Nightkill Immune." No mention of a nightkill.
We can lynch Zdenek-SK, and tomorrow we can lynch Kast-rolecop-scum. I will be NK'd by the scum for suggesting this, unless a few of you express your willingness to carry out this plan, sincere or not. But try to be convincing.
VOTE: ZdenekParaphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.
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Thor665 Papa Smurf
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What if we'd appreciate a DGB nightkill?
I buy Kast rolcop scum more than Zdenek, but I don't see Kast scum roleclaim revealing on Day 3 or doing the pressure he did on Feysal yesterday, so...no. Let's not do that.-
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An SK's nightkill can be considered factional. Calling the scum's nightkill factional but the SK's kill part of the PR is a rather silly nerf for an already weak role, but if you have a meta that says the mod is into that I guess it's possible. He could also have a small number of partners, or be outright scum, or be a survivor, etc etc. It's a theme game.Magua wrote:
I expect a serial killer to have a nightkill. The rolecop on Zdenek is "Modified Nightkill Immune." No mention of a nightkill.popsofctown wrote:So you expect the SK to have NO extra power whatsoever? "You are a mafia B goon. You have no partners, though, good luck beating the 5 man scumteam i put in the game with every single member having a power. I'm an evil, evil moderator, go to hell."
I would expect an SK who is rolecopped to either come up as, "Modified Nightkill Immune Nightkiller" *or* "Vanilla" depending upon investigation immunity dynamics. I would not expect them to come up with only *part* of their role.
How so? Dana could be a Stark goon. Zdenek, IMO, cannot possibly be Stark. Where's the inconsistency?popsofctown wrote: Your attitudes toward danakillsu and zdenek seem rather inconsistent with eachother.
My case is that zdenek's role+alignment claim matches up poorly with his play. Your counter argument is, "well, all the other possibilities are unlikely because of how I view the modWIFOM." While you might be right because outguessing in the mod always ends up being part of the game, hopefully you can at least see how I wouldn't be very happy about it."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Let's deff do this starting tomorrow.DrippingGoofball wrote:
So what does modified mean? Modified with a nightkill?Magua wrote:I expect a serial killer to have a nightkill. The rolecop on Zdenek is "Modified Nightkill Immune." No mention of a nightkill.
We can lynch Zdenek-SK, and tomorrow we can lynch Kast-rolecop-scum. I will be NK'd by the scum for suggesting this, unless a few of you express your willingness to carry out this plan, sincere or not. But try to be convincing.
VOTE: Zdenek"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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END DAY ONE.
READS AS OF D2 DAWN
TOWNIER THAN THOU:
Benmage
Ghostlin [:P]
Magua
DGB
LEANING TOWN:
danakillsu
shadow
Kast
Bunnylover
Locke Lamora
Null:
LMP
Twilight Sparkle
DTMaster
LEANING SCUM:
Cow
Raivann
Zdenek
SCUMMIER THAN THOU:
Mikujin
Thor665
I realize I might be missing people. Sorry if I did.
END OF DAY TWO READS:
TOWNIER THAN THOU:
Locke Lamora
DGB
Magua
Ghostlin [:P]
Leaning Town:
Benmage
danakillsu
shadow
Kast
Bunnylover
Null:
LMP
DTMaster (GreyICE was scum. DTM is town. WTF)
Leaning Scum:
HasCow
Zdenek
Twilight Sparkle
SCUMMIER THAN WEARING ORANGE ON ST. PATTY'S DAY:
Raivann
Setael/Mikujin
Thor665
READS AS OF NOW:
TOWNIER THAN AN IRISHMAN:
Magua
DGB
Locke
Andrius [:P]
AS TOWN AS AN IRISHMAN:
Benmage
Kast
Bunnylover
LynchMePls
shadow
danakillsu
FFFFF:
popsofctown (because of GreyICE, haven't decided)
WEARING ORANGE ON PATRICK'S DAY:
HasCow
That hydra with hito in it
SCUMMIER THAN WEARING ORANGE ON PATRICK'S DAY:
ZDENEK
SETAEL
THOR665
RAIVANN"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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Andrius The Baker
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Magua Jack of All Trades
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Also, your stance on Zdenek knowing Chesskid puzzles and confuses me.
If Zdenek's role is as-claimed, and Zdenek is town, then Zdenek should know that Chesskid is town. Yes, lovely, agreed.
Where do you see Zdenek act like this is *not* the case?-
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Your summary of the game looks correct, and really should enforce the belief that Thor is scummy. Yes there was a lot of material to cover, but even less so than Andrius just did, and I'm quite convinced he didn't read it all, just skimmed. This is a dumb move as town or scum, but a much more likely move from scum, who don't have to worry so much about analyzing every little thing said, and can coast."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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I want to see if I'm reading this right:Shadow1psc wrote:Your summary of the game looks correct, and really should enforce the belief that Thor is scummy. Yes there was a lot of material to cover, but even less so than Andrius just did, and I'm quite convinced he didn't read it all, just skimmed. This is a dumb move as town or scum, but a much more likely move from scum, who don't have to worry so much about analyzing every little thing said, and can coast.
- Thor took a long time (many days) to complete his reread of some 40 pages or so.
- Andrius took less than 24 hours to complete his reread of some 60 pages or so.
- Scum are more likely to skim; town are more likely to actually read.
- Thor is scum, Andrius is town.
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It's more about the way they came back and presented/commented on the information. I still don't feel like Thor actually read the majority of the game, even after he admitted for the first long while that he only read the first 10 pages, and said he was going to go back and read. When he claimed to have read more... he didn't really have much to say, not even a list of reads, and just kinda went back into business as usual. I realize not everyone has the time to read 40+ pages and make a commentary in 24 hours, but it makes me feel better about Andrius for having put in the effort, and scowl at Thor for not having put in the same effort replacing into a game this size with that amount of content.Magua wrote:
I want to see if I'm reading this right:Shadow1psc wrote:Your summary of the game looks correct, and really should enforce the belief that Thor is scummy. Yes there was a lot of material to cover, but even less so than Andrius just did, and I'm quite convinced he didn't read it all, just skimmed. This is a dumb move as town or scum, but a much more likely move from scum, who don't have to worry so much about analyzing every little thing said, and can coast.
- Thor took a long time (many days) to complete his reread of some 40 pages or so.
- Andrius took less than 24 hours to complete his reread of some 60 pages or so.
- Scum are more likely to skim; town are more likely to actually read.
- Thor is scum, Andrius is town.
Do I have your argument correct?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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@Shadow - I actually think I have been very aggressive, loud, and clear with my reads. I don't tend to do lists, and last I checked MoI - lord high king of lists and walls, flipped scum, so maybe you should reexamine the validity of the tell you're trying to use here.
@Magua - <3
@dana - is that total agreement with Andrius there?
@Andrius - "I've seen Thor play as town, he played really well...I'll now leave him at the bottom of my scum list because he sheeped someone I'm calling obv. town, he went 8 pages without feeling there was a major tell to mention (because everyone knows major tells come every 3.6 pages, regular as clockwork) he was ..abrasive with scum MoI over town reads Thor had, and he fought against the Feysal lynch I am calling terribad and am angry at town for doing.
Did I translate that right? Your catch up read has lots of links back to posts and is very pretty to look at, but seems more focused on individual tells than looking at the tapestry of the game, and also suffers from not evaluating any relationships after any flips. if you're town you owe us better than that. I 2nd-5th the Nexus question from Magua.-
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Well.
He's in my excel sheet, so I don't know why he never shows up, to be honest.
There are some players I just forget about, and he happens to be one of them. Some players I just ignore; ender and Katsuki in recently-ended Cult v. Masons (DANAKILLSU I WON AS MASON RECRUITER <3).
I'll ISO him later or something and get back to you. Cool?
Zdenek may not have known [[chesskid = Tyrion]] but he knew Tyrion and WITH BASIC BRAINS he could have figured out chesskid = Tyrion as I outlined in the last part of the wall.
SHADOW.
IS THIS REGARDING ME OR THOR?SHadow wrote: and I'm quite convinced he didn't read it all, just skimmed.
(I'll be really pissed if you think I put my entire last day to reading the goddamn thread and catching up and you think I SKIMMED.)
When I actually put my head into reading it took less than 24.
@ dana:
OH sorry, shadow, disregard the above. I see your next post. <3
The particular order on the scumlist/townlist isn't set in stone; the scumlist has no particular order to it, you're all just scum.
Yes, you play well as town. I've also seen you as scum to an extent.
Your lack of dedication to the reread is very scummy. It didn't take that long, once you power through it.
The post could have been much prettier, but once I finished I wanted to post it rather than go back for colors and pictures and fonts. :S
There are plenty of relationships.
They factor into my reads.
I would outline all my reads, I was just more focused on actually READING and catching up.
I said I'd do specific player reads and details later on; I'm sapped at the moment.
I am town.
I will post more on reads and stuff, but you're not one to talk AT ALL. If YOU are town YOU owe us better than what you've given, which doesn't amount to much; let's be honest. You've proven that you are scum by not caring to read or whatnot; if you're not going to put the goddamn time into reading you might as well claim scum or replace out. Its not too late to replace out; I was perfectly willing to answer the summons. I did my duty.
You are a dishonor to the Lannisters. Die like a dog, cur.
Magua, I'll address the Zdenek thing later; I don't want to go ISO-hunting for Zdenek interactions and I CERTAINLY don't have everything down off the top of my head.
I know who my brothers are.
Zdenek is not one of them.
Nor is Thor.
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Andrius wrote:I will post more on reads and stuff, but you're not one to talk AT ALL. If YOU are town YOU owe us better than what you've given, which doesn't amount to much; let's be honest.
Seriously? Your defense is pot meet kettle? What level of "better" do you think I owe?-
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This is false. My info itself is completely consistent with Zdenek-SK. "Modified Kill Immune" and "Modified NK Immune" are not inconsistent with being an SK and you have never attempted to claim that.Thor wrote:How dare I decide he's not SK because for him to be SK two different players are lying to support his fakeclaim.
Whut?
You have claimed that the ability "becomes bulletproof when player X dies" is inconsistent with an SK. If your claim is true (it is not but for sake of argument we'll leave that aside), then EITHER Zdenek is town telling the truth OR Zdenek is scum lying about how his ability is modified. From a town PoV, we don't know which it is (this is what pops is saying).
YOU are taking the VI PoV and assuming that Zdenek's claimed modification is definitely true, which makes him unlikely to be an SK. Assuming that he is telling the truth in order to clear him is completely irrational.
-A VI is a village idiot. It's a player who plays like an idiot. Some examples of VI behavior are aiming for an early game No-Lynch, using crap-logic or no reasoning at all to clear a player who should not be cleared (ie. Scummy Player A told us he's not scum, so he can't be scum), voting your town reads for no reason, getting easily confused by extremely simple and clear situations, etc., etc.
-Assuming you meant Magua's towntell on shadow, I'm not giving much weight to it. It's plausible Shadow is being honest. It's also possible he's reacting to the sample role PM. For me, I had no clue who the Lannisters were, and I asked the mod if Lannister equals town prior to reading the thread/sample role PM. I find it plausible that someone else could see red font and think mafia.
@Magua-
This needs some explaining.If he's an SK, he's some sort of rolecop investigation immune.
@Magua/Pops-
I'm a role-name cop. I don't know what the actual powers of a player are, just what their role-name is. I am not told the alignment of a player, so if I investigated an SK, I would not be told "Serial Killer". If he had other powers, like "Bulletproof Serial Killer", then I'd be told he is "Bulletproof". Similarly with mafia; if I investigate a Mafia Roleblocker, I would be told "Roleblocker", but not that the player is mafia. Technically, Dana could be a Vanilla Townie, Mafia Goon, (Vanilla?) Serial Killer, or some investigation immune role. Mod didn't clarify what exactly a (Vanilla?) Serial Killer is, but in a Large Theme, that's an unlikely enough possibility to be ignored.
If Zdenek is mafia OR SK, then he would have a kill ability that I don't learn anything about.
-As far as mod-correction not being a clear; technically you're right. In all the games I've ever played, mods never make corrections like that when it doesn't matter. It's somewhat outguessing the mod, but otherwise it's toeing the line of mod involvement.
This is BS. Lynching a caught SK is not the same as "SK Hunting" and your posts and similar ones before have been equating the two. If an SK is found, he's almost always a better lynch than scum because it eliminates a kill and directly translates into more days/nights for town to find/lynch scum.TS wrote:sk hunting as a rule is generally a post-massclaim activity when we know for sure whether there are spare kills floating around.
That's not how it works and I don't buy for one second that you believe it would. Anyone who comes up as "Modified Nightkill Immune Nightkiller" is OBVIOUSLY an SK. Someone coming up as "Modified NK Immune" is still fairly damning but leaves some wiggle room.Magua wrote:I would expect an SK who is rolecopped to either come up as, "Modified Nightkill Immune Nightkiller" *or* "Vanilla" depending upon investigation immunity dynamics. I would not expect them to come up with only *part* of their role.
@DGB-
So, I went from unknown, but positive -(posts crap you generally like and agree with)> scum by PoE -(claims cop with results)> let's lynch him tomorrow.
@Andy-
Ugh...too long. I skimmed. Seems fairly reaqsonable on first pass.
Anyway, side point that everyone should keep in mind. Benmage is still a Governor. When we go to our tables, we need to agree on a lynch with enough time to pick a second candidate if Ben vetoes the first one.ShowT: 9/6.5/0
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thor wrote:@has - will want your feedback on that flavor claim, but also want your thoughts on your vote as currently standsunvoteZdenek wrote:
Here is flavour:hascow wrote: *points to tongue*
*rubs belly*
The quote in italics is "Nothing is won so long as we have enemies in the field." You are Tywin Lannister, Lannister Aligned, leader of the House Lannister and one of the most influential men in the Westeros. You will persevere until all your enemies are vanquished. Remember a Lannister always pays his debts.
*shrugs*
thor wrote:Magua's recent actions in the 'not subtle' fishing category.
vote: raivann
*pretends to be stupid*jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
jdodge1019: vermont is made of liberal freaks and cows
jdodge1019: he's not a liberal
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Okay then, I hate you - please stop calling me this. You may still refer to me as having bad logic in whatever manner pleases you and makes you feel better, but if you call me "playing like an idiot" without some actual reason behind it I will be most put out. I accept that I currently play different than the agreed upon method of play - but that doesn't make me an idiot, that makes me a minority unless you can produce factual evidence that your method is superior.Kast wrote:-A VI is a village idiot. It's a player who plays like an idiot. Some examples of VI behavior are aiming for an early game No-Lynch, using crap-logic or no reasoning at all to clear a player who should not be cleared (ie. Scummy Player A told us he's not scum, so he can't be scum), voting your town reads for no reason, getting easily confused by extremely simple and clear situations, etc., etc.
The VI logic of the claims had very little to do with the specific wording of what your investigation was, and very much to do with how he responded to it and I said as much. If you're going to debate it please at least debate everything I'm arguing. I do believe his claim is not likely to be an SK, but that is subsidiary to deciding that how he claimed meant he wasn't an SK.
Also, since you now don't want to lynch him and seem to agree that his claim is at least functional for the moment...why are we still arguing this? If you want me to just say "Kast is smart, huzzah!" I can do that if it advances the gamestate again.
Please re-read Andrius - he's not good at a glance. He might be good after a few more days of posting, but not right now.
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