A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

Bunnylover · Post Post #1925 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:02 am

Magua wrote:
Bunnylover wrote:More of a gut feeling then actual logical reasoning.
The only reason I can see Benmage keeping the power is because he has an investigation role.
Its not on urgent were going to lose this game if Benmage doesn't use the power today, but it could come down to the situation.
Tell me how it could come down to that situation.

2 scum left with 3 townies or really just 2 scum left and Benmage is one/Benmage is a cop.
If Benmage is one, he would use his hands on one of the VI that are still around knowing that he himself would be lynch.
We would then probably proceed to lynch Benmage who will flip scum, and our next action would be to lynch the person who he used the power on assuming that we don't play the WIFOM game. With 5 people left, he just gave his scum member a bigger chance of winning the game.
If Benmage is a cop and see that one of his innocent, who turns out to be the GF, is about to be lynched he uses the power. For some reason we don't lynch Benmage, probably because he comes out telling us he's the cop, and we lynch one of the other people. Benmage dies, flips cops, we would assume that the person Benmage protected is a confirmed townie because Benmage flipped cop and said he was confirmed innocent. The GF ends up winning the game.
All of this happening probably unlikely because people wouldn't just think straight forward and would consider the possibility of GF and using the power on a townie to throw off suspicion on their party and etc, but like I said earlier even if it has the smallest possibility of happening, shouldn't we avoid it?

Nexus · Post Post #1926 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:50 am

@Magua: What, so the fact I'm pushing a lynch on the "easy" lynches makes me scum? Perhaps I'm pushing them because they're the ones I most vehemently believe in? Jeez. I'm sorry, would you rather me find a scummy post of someone town (let's say Benmage for argument's sake) and push and push it, even though he's obviously not scum, but because he's a difficult to lynch that makes me townier? Bull.

Regardless, I still believe that Raivann is scum. His vote on Shadow and then TS and the reasons for them are weak. This only serves to reinforce my belief that he's scum.

VOTE: Raivann

In other news, Andrius' catch up post would've been more use if he'd commented on everyone thoroughly.

I don't disagree that I'm not the greatest scumhunter, but eh. Magua is blinded by his wrong idea that I'm scum.

Raivann · Post Post #1927 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:56 am

unvote. Vote: Nexus

scummy wagon hop.

Nexus · Post Post #1928 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:57 am

Oh. There's a surprise.

You don't stick with your convictions, instead voting someone else.

Three swaps in as many pages on Day 3. Really?

Nexus · Post Post #1929 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:58 am

EBWOP and before anyone else starts, I've been advocating a Raivann lynch for a while. I only went to Feysal because I didn't believe his claim, and it didn't look like Raivann was getting lynched.

Shadow1psc · Post Post #1930 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:01 am

Raivann wrote:
unvote. Vote: Nexus
scummy wagon hop.

Do you do anything besides vote for the people who vote for you?

Twilight Sparkle · Post Post #1931 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:07 am

Locke Lamora wrote:TS is obviously keen to keep me on their suspect list to bring up later for some reason, one which I have yet to fathom out. Any reason for that one, TS?

I'm sure I've said this before, but - if compelling evidence of a serial killer arrives, I want to make sure the town remembers to look at you as well as Zdenek, whether I'm alive or no. As I've also said, in a game with as many kills flying around as this, hunting serial killers is best saved for post-massclaim. It's the same "later" you're waiting on for Zdenek - I'm just pointing out that it applies to you as well, since flavorwise you're...well, a serial killer. :p

We could probably think of a table signal for voting that involves a certain number of self votes - unvotes. I guess just think of the messages you'd want to convey across tables, then sort them in terms of commonality and map them to one self vote-unovte, two self votes-unvotes, etc. Like, just vote someone normally, "This is a good wagon." one self vote, unvote "This is a bad wagon." Two self votes, unvotes, "I'm claiming a PR, don't lynch me." Three self votes, unvotes, "I'm claiming a PR, don't lynch whoever you're wagoning." Something like that.

Regardless, that's someone elses job because I'm out for a day or two. This is a Mina/Sotty only venture for a bit.

-hito

Raivann · Post Post #1932 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:09 am

Shadow1psc wrote:
Raivann wrote:
unvote. Vote: Nexus
scummy wagon hop.
Do you do anything besides vote for the people who vote for you?

So sayith the pillar of scumhunting

Eddard Stark · Post Post #1933 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:54 am

Vote count 3.12

Zdenek (3) Bunnylover, DrippingGoofball, Andrius
Nexus (4) Magua, Thor665, popsofctown, Raivann
Setael (1) Danakillsu

Raivann (6) Twilight Sparkle, Kast, Setael, Hasdgfas, Shadow1psc, Nexus

Danakillsu (1) LynchMePls
Shadow1psc (1) Locke Lamora
Andrius (1) Zdenek

Not voting (1) Benmage

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Time to get social aka quicktopic time deadline is here
Deadline for lynches is here

*No one due a prod.
* Vc mistakes? Point them out.
*

Green? That sounds like a Baratheon colour! And it's not like there's a Baratheon on the throne...

Fuck you Seacore! Ours is the fury!

Benmage · Post Post #1934 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:26 am

Kast wrote:@Ben-
Are you interested in playing the game today?

Nope, I'm purposely avoiding this game with my ample free time.

Are u fucking serious?

Zdenek wrote:I am Tywin Lannister. I become night kill immune if Tyrion Lannister dies.

Here we go again....

(reading....how is this not an SK claim. Player gets better when a

fellow

town player is killed...idno)

Twilight Sparkle · Post Post #1935 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:52 am

All right, I checked with Faraday, and you're allowed to vote the mod, dead players, and people who aren't in the game. It therefore makes sense to use those votes instead. So taking hitogoroshi's idea to its logical extreme, since there's nothing in the rules against it...

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[vote]Eddard Stark[/vote]

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do this step first, or else it'll replace the slashes in vote tags as well.

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[vote]MagnaofIllusion[/vote]

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~Mina

Twilight Sparkle · Post Post #1936 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:59 am

EBWOP: Oops. My initial idea was to self-vote before I realized voting for someone not in the game was cleaner, and I forgot to change the Twilight Sparkle votes to MoI votes in the second part. I also originally used line breaks instead of VOTE: Eddard Stark.

Correction: to translate this, copy and paste this into a word document. Replacing all for VOTE: Eddard Stark with /, VOTE: MagnaofIllusion with -, and UNVOTE: MagnaofIllusion with /, you get: (blah blah blah).

Also, since I just realize I accidentally voted for ourselves.

VOTE: Raivann

If you use this code, remember to move your vote back to wherever it was before.

LimMePls · Post Post #1937 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:14 am

Benmage wrote:
Zdenek wrote:I am Tywin Lannister. I become night kill immune if Tyrion Lannister dies.
Here we go again....

(reading....how is this not an SK claim. Player gets better when a
fellow
town player is killed...idno)

What is the "Here we go again..." about?

Twilight Sparkle · Post Post #1938 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:18 am

Benmage wrote:(reading....how is this not an SK claim. Player gets better when a fellow town player is killed...idno)

Just noticed this.

What are you talking about? Didn't you play

A Clash of Kings

? Did you forget about Renly and Loras from that game?

Benmage · Post Post #1939 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:18 am

Zdenek wrote: a.) Chesskid didn't claim Tywin Lannister, he just claimed that his character had also been Hand of the King.

And that didn't rattle your brain with who could it be?? Thinking Tyrion a non town entity?

Raivann wrote:. What if Benmage is Stark and he is trying to keep around the VI's and killing good players to make for an easy endgame?

Would you bite the hand that feeds?

LOL benmage protect VI scum partners. Benmagescum busses whenever possible. A VI....zomgthatshitisdyingfast.

Thor665 wrote:
Kast wrote:This is Smurf logic. You wouldn't dismiss the possibility of Zdenek-SK based on Zdenek-SK claiming his role is not SK. Your argument is exactly that; you're assuming (1) his claim is completely true and (2) his claimed ability is unlikely to be an SK ability. It's an incomplete approach to evaluating a claim; yes you should examine whether his claim is consistent (what you did), but just because it is consistent does not mean it is true.
How dare I decide he's not SK because for him to be SK two different players are lying to support his fakeclaim.
Whut?
Your claim supported his claim, and his claim supports a belief that he's not SK, and I'm pretty sure it's not an SK team of the two of you so...

How does his rolecop check out as not SK?? SK having a safeclaim, essentially being INV immune, and NK immune seems plausible.

The SK in aCoK was INV-immune and 1 shot BP(?)…This modified BP could be a different creative swingy spin.

Twilight Sparkle wrote: Yes, it told him Tyrion was likely town, but Tyrion was likely town *anyway*. It'd be like running DC Comics mafia and having a role that told you -gasp -
Superman is a townie.

Tyrion, killer of Twyin likely town? I didn't auto-assume this.

Magua wrote:
@Twilight Sparkle:
Raivann plays like Furcolow. Agree or disagree?

Disgaree furclow is way worse.

Magua wrote:I would expect an SK who is rolecopped to either come up as, "Modified Nightkill Immune Nightkiller" *or* "Vanilla" depending upon investigation immunity dynamics. I would not expect them to come up with only *part* of their role.

If their safeclaim was Twyin Lannister Modified NK Immune....I'd expect them to come up thusly.

Benmage · Post Post #1940 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:21 am

Twilight Sparkle wrote: Didn't you play
A Clash of Kings
?

Do you like asking questions already knowing the answer?

Twilight Sparkle wrote: Did you forget about Renly and Loras from that game?

Actually I did.

But I dont think these things are anywhere remotely near being in the same ballpark.

One got a VENGE on the spot Kill.

The other is NK-IMMUNE!!! Are fucking serious!... Okay, BPx1...X2 maybe.

NK IMMUNE.

Maybe these mods really do love ties.

Because thats what NK immune townies cause.

Thor665 · Post Post #1941 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:30 am

Benmage wrote:
Maybe these mods really do love ties.
Because thats what NK immune townies cause.

You know, I was actually writing up a big post - but this point is actually stellar good.

Unvote: Nexus
Vote: Zdenek

Thor665 · Post Post #1942 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:31 am

Actually, wait, scum can still lynch though - that's part of endgame. Meh, I'll finish the bigger post.

Benmage · Post Post #1943 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:34 am

These will be governed:
LL
Andy
Dana
Kast
Magua
LMP

I might feel the desire to govern:
Shadow
Pops
DGB

Nexus is most likely to flip scum if you ask me. Still don't like Thor. I think Zednek is not town.

unvote vote Zednek

Thor665 · Post Post #1944 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:36 am

Twilight Sparkle wrote:
Benmage wrote:(reading....how is this not an SK claim. Player gets better when a fellow town player is killed...idno)
Just noticed this.

What are you talking about? Didn't you play
A Clash of Kings
? Did you forget about Renly and Loras from that game?

Or even the basic concept that is a nurse or deputy - I see town roles that get better after another town dies as hardly that shocking or strange. Certainly not a "lol, obv. SK" clue.

Benmage wrote:How does his rolecop check out as not SK?? SK having a safeclaim, essentially being INV immune, and NK immune seems plausible.

It's certainly plausible, but it's hardly definite, let's consider;

Zdenek is a investigation immune modified NK immune SK.
Kast goes - lol, you're scum, please claim.
Zdenek goes - naw, that's anti-town, I suspect I know what you saw but won't claim.
Kast goes - lawlercoaster - you're obvious SK, claim pl0x!

At this point Zdeneck would have to think - okay, the dude can't be a cop because I'm investigation immune. So he's either a tracker who tracked me to my NK or he's a Vig who shot me and now I'm still alive.
I'll take a 50/50 gamble that he's a Vig...and, um, I'll declare I'm a limited BP townie who gets his power off of the townie who died yesterday...yes!
By dint of him claiming the modified aspect in the way he did it really makes the modified aspect seem likely and I don't buy the modified aspect being a scum/SK power because it behooves them to kill town already, why do you have to sweeten the pot?

Benmage wrote:The SK in aCoK was INV-immune and 1 shot BP(?)…This modified BP could be a different creative swingy spin.

We also had a bulletproof town as I recall as long as we're bringing up mod outguessing meta.

I think I talked myself back into it. I wouldn't expect Faracore to set up something that would lead to another draw situation, and if scum and town are 1 player each that's exactly what would happen. Let's lynch Zdenek, I'm leaning SK based on that info alone.

Benmage · Post Post #1945 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:37 am

Thor665 wrote:Actually, wait, scum can still lynch though - that's part of endgame. Meh, I'll finish the bigger post.

You have a dead GF, a dead SK...your BP townie cop-confirmed. And you have a final scum that cannot win the game.

Or even basically forcing scum to need 2 scum alive to win is ridiculous.

And where is the real SK left than....forced to convince town why someone else is scum....great, because SK's don't have it hard already.

Thor665 · Post Post #1946 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:38 am

Benmage wrote:Still don't like Thor.

I'd love to see a case from anyone about this that doesn't involve playstyle difference as the heart and soul of it. That does mean you Benny-boy. While you're at it notice MoI's actions, herpy-derpy-duh.

Thor665 · Post Post #1947 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:39 am

Benmage wrote:
Thor665 wrote:Actually, wait, scum can still lynch though - that's part of endgame. Meh, I'll finish the bigger post.
You have a dead GF, a dead SK...your BP townie cop-confirmed. And you have a final scum that cannot win the game.

Thor665 wrote:I think I talked myself back into it. I wouldn't expect Faracore to set up something that would lead to another draw situation, and if scum and town are 1 player each that's exactly what would happen. Let's lynch Zdenek, I'm leaning SK based on that info alone.

OMG, Benmage doesn't read everything in order before posting! SCUMZ SCUMZ SCUMZ!

Benmage · Post Post #1948 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:40 am

Thor665 wrote:
Benmage wrote:The SK in aCoK was INV-immune and 1 shot BP(?)…This modified BP could be a different creative swingy spin.
We also had a bulletproof town as I recall as long as we're bringing up mod outguessing meta.

a 2X BP...not an IMMUNE BP.

Thor665 · Post Post #1949 (ISO) » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:41 am

Pssst - Ben, you already convinced me. Read the entire post.