Mini 1144 - AW: Mafia Strikes

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Vote: SocioPath

COMBO GO

/Advanced Wars virgin.
I just love AGM games and the flavour/mechanics looked awesome =3

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I wasn't in the first one but

10) This game is nightless.

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UnorthodoxFate has a nice new avatar and secret Treasons against TheMask. I have secret love for Ghostwriter. DoLike.

Vote: TheMask

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Its because I associate your old avatar with games I've lost </3

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Ehh.

Fate, him fakeclaiming cult doesn't make him scum BUT him having that knowledge is DANGEROUS if he is scum. If that's true, he's probably already shared it with his buddies, so that boat has sailed, BUT we can at least find out where we are by having him lynched.

Confirm Vote: TheMask

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Unvote

Though it wouldn't surprise me if this was a lolgambit by scum TM and Fate. If it is...well, you guys can have the win already, k?

bv: which part of the implosion was the "worst" in your opinion? Your vote was the first time you'd mentioned TM. ALSO, why did you feel the need to vote after Gandalf had claimed he had hammered? (a mistake btw; there are 12 alive and Gandalf's was the 4th (?) vote so...I don't really know what was up with that whole confusion)

Chess: why is my gut pinging scum for you? </3

Vote: Chess

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No I mean, why is my gut telling me that you're scum. It was a semi-rhetorical question.

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^Ohay, did you know Fate was BSing because you knew TM wasn't scum? Dun dun dunn.

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:\ unconvincing

Your reason for thinking Fate was BSing was actually wrong (i.e. Fate

did

have secret pre-game/pre-post info). You just lucked onto the fact it was a gambit. Maybe this is the super Chess gut read kicking into action...or maybe its informed minority. We'll see.

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So, Chess, is Fate stupid for thinking TM was scum, or scum for just pretending he thought it?

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Hay, I come back after sleeping and am glad to see that Chess is near a lynch but...where's my vote on him gone? </3

I also don't remember voting bv??

My vote being on Chess should actually put Chess at 6 votes i.e. L-1, so Gandalf if you want him at 5 i.e. L-2 for double voting, I can unvote for you.

I am pleased with the new target of Twisted Spoon for "tomorrow".

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Also,

flavor for the hider is i use tactical skills to let people die for me but it only works if they're willing to die for me hence not black hole
I die if i hide behind black hole or person i hiding behind dies

?

Let me get this straight.
(1) People can die

in your place

(presumably this is achieved by you picking the person, i.e. you hide behind them)
(2) You die if you hide behind a Black Hole person, I get that.
(3) You die if the person you are hiding behind dies? Lolwut? Doesn't that make (1) extremely pointless?

Ability contradiction? Or am I just being dense?

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/internet broke but is now fixed

@Crazy-
My vote of TheMask was because Fate had Secret Info and I chose to believe him. It was a worthy vote.
Chess was because his play was scummy. I stayed on it when he flailed.

Vote: bv

Bad hammer attempt was bad, TM's catch was a catch.

Theoretically willing to vote [Crazy/Enigma] for Chess' godgut; plus
-Crazy misrepping above - intentional?
-Enigma pops in uselessly - active lurking?

QFT GW's point re: accelerating the lynch.
Also, since people can't be lynched til we accelerate, we can wagon people for pressure without risking quickhammers. Kinda nice.

I can't really digest much more atm, there's so much CAPSRAGE ITT.

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Unvote

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Also
Should we wait for his claim before we accelerate the lynch?

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...

If you're scum, we can't allow you to have the majority of the votes to yourself. I don't really want to see you with six votes until we know you're irrefutably town.

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Willing to give bv 24 hours to make his "wagon analysis" before I accelerate, if he's town it could give insight, if he's scum, it could give us insight. I won't let him stall us though so I'll be accelerating in roughly...15 hours.

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My clocks have gone forward so I'm actually about an hour away from voting to accelerate etc.

In the meantime:

Vote: Enigma

Enigma: If bv is scum, promising an analysis and not going through with it is just going to stall the wagon and bring scum closer to their kill. Unvoting and decelerating the lynch is the smartest thing scum can do.

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...I unvoted bv so Gandalf could hammer.
And I put a time limit on how long I'd wait before I'd accelerate the lynch because his analysis would be useful, but not enough to warrant sitting around twiddling our thumbs.
You're just a worthy vote in the meantime.

I got confused about what you were calling the stupidest thing. Maybe I'm the stupid one >_>

(V)oxox

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Vote: Accelerate Cooldown

I thought we had accelerated more, it turns out we're still a fair way off getting it (requires 2/3 majority).

o<|:-{D}>

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Fate: atm, Gand doesn't want any more votes on bv, so he can use his POWARZ to good effect. If Gand is town, then scum will want to prevent that. So anyone that DOES vote for bv by this point is against that agenda.

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Vote: CrazyPianist

Let's do it.

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Provable but risky. If he targets scum with it, they get super powahz.

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^That's a town thing to say.

Lynch preference:

CrazyPiano > bv >>> Enigma

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Unvote

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:S What's with everyone claiming when their powahz are charged? There is NO NEED TO DO THAT unless you're getting lynched or have a result to share.

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@TM
Scum's kill will be ready soon anyway. We need to get a lynch organised before Monday, assuming their kill will charge in 14 days. If we're going to faff about with powers before lynching, do it soon. And be aware that if CP flips scum I will be all up in your grill.

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^Bad Enigma. You've lost your town points.

If we accelerate without having a lynch guaranteed, the scum get their kill rather than us getting 2 lynches before their kill.

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No it says, once you agree to accelerate lynch, they charge to 100%.
It doesn't mean you have to use the lynch which is immediately available, we can just use it if we wish to.

Semantics I know, but that's how I interpret it.

...bad BAD BAD Enigma.

In your world

We accelerate but don't lynch
Scum get their kill
Scum use their kill
We sit around twiddling our thumbs

In everyone else's (town) world

We accelerate once we've got a lynch
We get our lynch first
Scum get their kill
We have them at 2:1

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WTF.

W
T
F

Fuck t

But you gotta admit its kinda ironic that it was TheMask that unvoted to accelerate the cooldown.

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"Fuck t"?

--> "Fuck that"

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^IKR?

Could it be as easy as Enigma/Crazy/bv scum?

Not sold on bv so much any more. Feeling that TheMask kill was NK WIFOM to pin bv, and am less interested in his lynch now.

Will gladly see Enigma or Crazy eat rope.

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SP hasn't done much of anything to make himself look overly townie but he has been badgering the scummy people so he's better than null right now.

I notice how Crazy has been putting off using his ability. Now even if he has it and he uses it, people have either got to reveal whether they'd be a viable target for testing or risk getting a null result from it. And that gives scum plenty of information about what sorts of roles people have and I don't really want that info in their hands, do you? If its a false ability we out ourselves for no reason and scum sacrifice an already scum-looking player.

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What I mean, Enigma, is that by the person chosen acknowledging (i) whether or not their power has already charged and (ii) whether its effects can be doubled can give scum a good indication of exactly what PR they have.

SP, you're crazy both ways from what I can see so I don't have a decent meta distinction on you. I don't believe easy lynches are necessarily mislynches, sometimes they're just scum being punished for slipping. I'm not too fond of a BV lynch atm myself so.

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"By consensus" - this is the problem with confirming his role. Who will we pick? What if their power is not applicable/already charged? More info for the scummz, who, btw, control 33% of those general consensus votes. By consensus has some obvious benefits over volunteering (tracing connections, yadda yadda) but its also got some drawbacks. We also can't dick around too much or we'll have to use the Double SCO power power, which is far more dangerous if scum get it. Unless...

Hm. I think the best option is for someone to use their power, then get it recharged. That way we don't accidentally give scum a doubled SCO, and whoever is picked doesn't reveal how quickly their power was charged. Thoughts?

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Coo'

SP: what do you think about CP proving his powahz and how he should go about doing that?

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Yup. Seeing how things roll before voting. No need to give scummz another kill just yet eh?

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SP, RE: using it as another wagon
So you suggest we all vote on who gets the power. I can see the worth in that, but I raised some objections when Enigma said the same (potentially revealing too much info to scum about PRs if the chosen person is not suitable; scum having the chance to manipulate who gets picked). What do you make of those criticisms?

Enigma, RE: CP using his power now
By this point we've dillydallied so much that I'm guessing a lot of peoples' powers will be at least CO full. This means that realistically, CP is going to have to double their SCO just to prove he can. Which is far too dangerous. So what do you make of my proposal that the person chosen (however that comes about) uses their CO first, in order to get it recharged sooner, i.e. prove the first part of the power, not the second, and avoid accidentally giving scum two SCOs?

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I want to lynch CP. Since CP got to L-1, I'm under the impression that others want to see him lynched. I'm under the impression that we've already warranted him scummy enough to be hung.

What changed between these two?

Noone is volunteering to be the target of the enabler.
If it does happen, it'll be by general consensus.

If anyone want's to be the target of his power, in your own wisdom thinks it'll benefit town if you claim, then claim your abilities and let the majority decide .. sooner rather than later. EG: cop investigation or such.

In the first you are dead against volunteers. The second you don't mind people volunteering. Howcomes?

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His "power" was in town hands in the last game. One of the scum roles switched side, but that was flavour supported. Unless there's flavour reason to suspect that character would have switched sides, if his power is legit, I'd trust he was town. I just want to make checking that as damage-free as possible, because if he's scum, this is a great rolefishing opportunity.

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Implosion: Eagle was town aligned last game. We need someone with flavour knowledge to tell us if this is likely to have changed, or if there's an alternative person who could have that power. Otherwise, his power indicates his alignment pretty clearly.

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Also, I won't comment on CP using his power on me until CP's offered his thoughts on it.

TS: any reason you chose me?

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How? Can you split your votes?

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Can't get four. The double lynch only works by accelerating the lynch to cause the second. So it'd be Lynch, Accelerated Lynch, NK, rinse-wash-repeat. Surely?

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I have an inkling of what it could be, which could make logical sense. I'll show you mine if you show me yours?

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I figured his reason was because I've been persistent about having CP lynched so if CP is scum, I'm likely not his buddy. But I realised there's a logical loop that from his pov CP could be town and I could be scum.

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RE: Your idea; if he was a rolecop surely he could have just CP :\

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^should read "just checked" >_>

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Four day plan

Today:

Implosion claims.

Tomorrow:

Implosion's FATE is decided

Day 3:

Enigma, CP, plus one other person vote GreyICE
CP super co's GreyICE
GreyICE investigates 2x people
If Enigma and CP are both scum, Grey must be legit, so :\

Day 4:

We still double lynch Enigma and Crazy probably.

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^Actually Days 3 and 4 could and should occur on the same day

Anyone stalling the above plan is scum.

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Why do you want Imp to vote you when he's already had an investigation on him? Do you think Fate is lying/gambitting scum?

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If Fate is gambitting anything, I

may

have a more elegant solution to check it that gets around Implosion not voting for you. But it does require Implosion to claim what action he used on me because I might be able to verify it. If I can't, then we're no worse off than we were before and he should vote for you. If I can, then we don't waste one of your 2 investigations on him.

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I CAN RANDOMLY INVESTIGATE ONE OF THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR ME

we can always decide if its worth the investigation or not

we can always decide

RANDOMLY INVESTIGATE

?

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What I'm saying is

You said Implosion should vote for you because "we can always decide" whether he is worth investigating or not.
But your investigation is random so we can't decide who you'll investigate...because who you investigate will be random.
So if Implosion votes you, you might "randomly" get a result that we may have already confirmed twice, thus making your investigation potentially 50% less helpful.

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Because. If you only have three votes on you. One of which is confirmed-role Implosion:

If he's scum he'll just sit on your wagon. We can lynch him before you use your power but then we'd have to organise getting a third person on there. Which will take time and potentially let scum get another kill in before our lynch.
If he's town, he'll get off your wagon but we'll STILL need to spend time getting a third person on it.

Whereas, if you organise around Implosion getting on your wagon, you can ALREADY have three people there ready for you to investigate amongst. If I can't confirm his role, we can lynch him there and then, and rely on Fate to not be gambitting. Even if you still want to check him yourself, Implosion has

nothing to lose

getting on your wagon as scum or town under the threat of a lynch, so it will be a lot easier getting him on and one of [bv/CP/Enigma] off, than having to convince one of those three to get on when they can just stall and maybe get a kill off while we dick around.

I'm well aware that my hat is made of tinfoil and its likely Implosion is scum and none of this matters, but I'm seeing the potential for problems that could be easily solved.

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Oh. My face. There is egg. All over it.

I thought you were making the attempt to investigate Implosion central to the plan.

/scuttles away with his tail between his legs

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Implosion posting is integral to like...three peoples' demands right now.

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Normal lynching doesn't necessarily give the Black Hole their kill but accelerating the lynch does. There's a chance that scum get their kill after we've had our lynch but I

think

its on a separate timer.

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Ugggh.

If Implosion is town, he really helped himself get mislynched.

Vote: Implosion

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Balls. I can't confirm that's what happened.

Grr. I'm pulling my hair out now. I'm gonna go re-read some things. I'm not sure if I smell hijinks.

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Fate, get your vote back on Implosion. He's today's lynch.

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Happy Birthday!

Happy scumday!
Happy lynchday!

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Implosion is getting lynched. I'm getting bad vibes from Fate trying to back out now that Implosion has said he's getting the rope if its a mislynch.
If he's town, Fate's getting lynched with Grey as a likely lesser powered buddy.

Some amateur detective work will be revealed post-Implosion flip.

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So, that was awesome.

Grey "vigs" one of Engima/CP (what a letdown his whole "wagon meee" was)
We double lynch one of Enigma/CP + Grey

= Victory?

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ALSO

AGAIN

My vote was NOT where I'd placed it.
So yesterday my vote got transferred from Chesskid to bv.
And this time my vote got moved off of Implosion and onto "no one"

WHICHEVER BLACK HOLE ASSHOLE IS SCREWING WITH MY VOTING
FUCK YOU

>_<"

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Ninja'd by a deadman

#867 = scumclaim

Vote: GreyICE

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GreyScum is probably like the opposite of Gandalf. Maybe if he uses his (S)CO he adds the current number of waggonners (or maybe an amount over a certain number?) to his lynch threshold?

w/r/t what happened, let me get this straight:

1) Your investigate was your CO? Your vig was your SCO?
2) CP uses his SCO on you when you're SCO charged so you should have had 2x vig. You've had zero
3) So either you're lying or CP is lying?

Questions:

Submitting your vig kill will resolve at 12:00am ET; did you submit it after the deadline?
Or did you submit it before and your vig was neutered?
Did you try to submit both?

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Did you try to submit both?

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So you submitted them before 12:00ET first off, they didn't work, then you resubmitted them afterwards?

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I'm glad to see Fate's back to being Confirmed Town. You were scaring me for a while there.

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1) Fate had a guilty report on Implosion via TM.
2) One of the folks on Implosion must have had super additional votes. I think I know who.

I also think one of Enigma/SP is confirmed town.

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^no prizes for guessing which one I think it is either

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bv310

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I doubt bv screwed my votes since it was pulled off of Chess and onto him.

Implosion visited me so maybe his power was to render me voteless. FML.

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Have I got this double lynching thing right?

STAGE 1
We get Grey or Enigma to the lynch threshold, and put the other within Gandalf's hammer distance.

STAGE 2
Gandalf casts the super-extra-weighted hammer and we accelerate the lynch.

STAGE 3
Scummz that don't comply get their vote stolen by bv and marked for future lynching if one of Enigma or Grey flips town <--- new!

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It also depends on whether I have a vote or not vOv

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ATM we have:

GreyICE: Fate, AV(?)
Enigma: bv310

So the following should get on GreyICE: CP, Enigma, TS = 5
And the following people should get on Enigma: SP, GreyICE, Gandalf, Gandalf, (Gandalf?) = ~5

If someone is lurking and doesn't vote, bv steals their vote and parks it appropriately.
We should find out how many votes Gandalf and I have soon enough, right?

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It took scummz ten days from the start of the game for them to get their lynch, or 5.5 days into D2 (5.5 was 50% of the player alive at that point...hmm)

Either way, it should be around the 11th they get their new kill.

That doesn't give us a whole lot of time, so I want to see votes racking up within the next few days, and preparation to accelerate the cooldown when we're ready to go.

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Can we get Enigma to claim since he's gonna get run up pretty soon?

If SP is confirmed town he needs to be on Enigma more than TS does.

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#915: Or he activated

some

power, not necessarily the one he said he did. For someone who's all like "QQ People be lettin' bv and Gandalf use their powahz no one noez wut they is", you sure are quick to trust GreyICE.

(also, TS watched me, not tracked Implosion. Just sayin')
(also, if I

do

lose my votes - still waiting for a VC to confirm - then its pretty clear Implosion was the reason for it)

REL Jailkeeper - Is that your CO or your SCO?

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SP: all will be revealed shortly.
bv: doesn't look like Enigma will comply. I think you should steal his vote.

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...If you won't tell us whether its your CO or SCO can you at least tell us the flavour of your Jailkeep?

If GreyICE and you are both town why didn't you just claim it as a RB? That way scum might have tried to kill him, thus exonerating yourself as the Jailkeeper and GreyICE as the target of your protect and the scum kill.

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Ninja: how would you stop us? Allegedly, you've only recently used your power. It shouldn't be recharged yet.

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Enigma: so you have unlimited JKs? Also: why would it need to charge quickly if it doesn't diminish the charge at all?

With Enigma out the way, SP: I can explain how I drew the conclusion you were confirmed innocent if you want me to. I can confirm it to everyone else if you tell me what weapon you use - if any. I know I said it was between you two, er, Enigma and you, but there's a very small chance I've misinterpreted something, somewhere along the line if you don't know what I'm talking about >_>"

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No. And my vote wasn't counted on it. Someone's screwing with me.

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Also didn't see #924 at first

- Can't you just JK again for infinity?
- I'll explain once SP has answered my question.

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My JK doesn't diminish the

ir

charge.

=_=" reading error

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The Black Hole will probably be getting their kill recharged in the next 3-4, days based on the previous timing of the kill, so whatever we're doing we need to get started on sorting it out now.

AGM: can we get a votecount please?

Enigma, there's very little chance you're making it past this day phase alive. It's better for town that you get vigged like Grey says. Put your embarrassment to one side.

Also, is this the first time you jailed anyone?
If so; considering it apparently charges so fast, if you're so suspicious of Gandalf and bv, why didn't you jail one of them earlier?
If not; who else have you jailed and when?

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So despite you ranting about how Gandalf's voting ability claim is likely from scum...
...you never thought to jail him to stop him gaining powerups earlier in the game?

Considering Gandalf announced each time he wanted to use it, you could easily have prevented him without it being a shot in the dark.
And considering your power seems to have recharged in the space of a few days, I don't really think you'd be worried about wasting a charge.

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(oops quick maybe there's this cool things called the delete button)

OWAIT

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What's with people saying TS claimed tracker. He claimed Watcher. I trust him because if CP

had

targetted me, how would he have known it? Calling TS scum is calling an Implosion/TS/CP scumteam. There is no room for Enigma in that scumteam.

If Enigma were to flip town, then we could talk.

Vote: Enigma

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Jake - Tank CO of orange star.
I use brute strength and a squadron of tanks to achieve my means.

And my JK doesn't diminish the charge at all. I thought about your claim, but it's unnecessary given the mechanics of my ability.

Ninja: Umm just delay my lynch for a few days it charges pretty quick but doesn't last very long.

Wrong. Max is the Tank CO of Orange Star. Jake is the all-around CO with the headphones. Nice try, Jugger.

vote: Enigma

Actually, Jake is the "top notch tank commander." It's more likely "tank" is used to mean the vehicle than the gaming term ("to tank") in this context.

While we're on the subject of flavour. All the other COs so far have had some feasible connection to the COs in the game themselves, including shared names. I

do

see how "Block Rock" might translate to Jailkeep, but my problem then is that you've also said that your CO and your SCO are related and I'm finding it hard to see any way of "Beat Down" relating to Jailkeeping.

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@Grey, no, no. He's a Watcher. He told CP to target me so he could verify CP. But instead he saw Implosion do it (at a time when Implosion was lurking) and called him out on it. If he was really scum and faked his result on Implosion, he would have had to guess whether or not CP targetted me, unless CP is also scum. This literally can't be true unless Enigma is town. Hence, voting him.

If we're dealing with Enigma with votes, we should try to get the double lynch sorted.

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On that note: @bv, was that

your

vote, or your stolen vote?

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Also, looking at Jake's picture. I don't see any indication of brute strength there.

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Enigma: If you're willing to get wagonned
Why not let GreyICE shoot you and save us giving the scummz another kill?

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BV claimed vote stealer. Where did he claim RB? >_>"

Enigma: why would bv have needed to use it so far? He's got less of a reason than you for using his power, and you were defending yourself for not using yours earlier?

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Fate. We could actually kill four people with this move if Grey and CP are who they say they are. /salivates

But that's actually bad if Enigma and bv are both town since we'd be at 5 alive with 2 scums and a NK to go = endgamed >_>"

Part of me wants to be cautious.
But then I read Enigma's posts and feel a lot safer.

Waiting on a VC to see if this is actually viable (i.e. do I have a vote anymore)
Waiting on Gandalf to say whether he has 3x kills or not.

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Ninjaw'd.

We're abandoning the simulynch?
I'd kinda like SP's answer before we hammah in case I don't get to explain and get NK'd (in case I'm mistaken)

Actually Fate if you're here you can probably PoE make certain I'm not wrong. Then we can hammer whenever.
Do you use a weapon?

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Other thought:

Enigma implied the RB would wear off soon.
Grey can now shoot him.

Grey, submit a kill action on Enigma while he's voting for you. Maybe we'll get lucky and not have to lynch him.

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^that's the general idea, yeah.

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Although it'd probably be better if Grey submitted 2x kills, one on you and one on bv or CP. Then if he only gets one our lynch for the day is CP, not bv.

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FFFFFFUUUUUU triple post for not keeping up with overactive thinking

Grey shoots Enigma (1) and bv (2). If he gets both shots, CP is legit, so good job he didn't shoot CP. If he only gets one, then we lynch CP and bv can be dealt with later.

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Hold up.

Fate, TM's CO was an Investigation that he passed to you, right?

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Hush Grey I'm not talking about investigations.

Anyway, the supposed investigation was his Super Co. Its more ambiguous but. Here goes.

Socio, I got you confused with someone else. For good reason too. I thought that every player other than you and Fate had claimed/used powers. But I just went back to double check and I can't believe this passed me by.

I know that

Javier, Green Earth CO

, used his CO ability, a.k.a. TM

used a CO ability.

There is NO mention of that in the QT topic however. Moreover, if he used his CO ability, he wouldn't have had time to charge up for his SCO when you say he used it.

a.k.a. Fate is a liar who bussed his useless lurker/Watched partner for towncred.

a.k.a.

Vote: Fate

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No wonder I've been unable to fucking confirm anyone, because the guy was already dead. FML.

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Hachi of the Orange Star. I copied TM's CO power. I've been trying to figure out who used it for ages. And then I've been looking at the Advance Wars wiki today and was like. FML. It was TheMask.

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I know you were Hachi last game. I lulz'd at the irony.

When did he use his CO?

[AurorusVox]

Also, scum aren't gonna have boosted him so unless someone is willing to come out and claim to have done it, then I'm dubious.
That could have just been edited in there by you to explain why he had his SCO so soon.

[AurorusVox]

Okay so I've looked at CP boosting TheMask and the timeline doesn't add up.

The Mask 39

03-28-2011 02:00 AM ET (US)

I believe someone boosted my power, so I should be reaching super CC by tomorrow.

^28th of March, TM claims someone has boosted him.

29th March CP states his CO power is charged (i.e. he hasn't boosted anyone yet)

The Mask 43

03-29-2011 04:41 AM ET (US)
I don't know about CP and his Eagle claim... Have you reached 100% meter power yet? Anyway it can work with mine?

^29th March, this confirms that TM hasn't been bosted by CP yet.

Then...

30th March - talking about who he

could

use it on.
1st April - still asking for volunteers to be targetted
5th April -

still

asking for targets. No mention of having used it yet.

[AurorusVox]

If its Fate and Sociopath as scum, they'd have won it with Enigma + Grey lynched, and CP + bv vengeshot.

[AurorusVox]

A non-doublevoter needs to vote for Grey as well.

Actually we're good. My passive is that people who take extra votes to lynch only take the normal number of votes. Heh heh. Been waiting to say that for a long time when everyone was QQing about getting the double lynch.

Yeah I left that part out, because if the scum KNEW the doctor was DEAD they'd kill with fucking impunity.

So why did you reveal he was the doctor? I made sure to keep that secret in my post.

DONT TRY TO SWEETTALK YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS

THERES NO WAY THAT TM WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO USE HIS CO AND THEN USE HIS SCO RIGHT AWAY LIKE THAT

NO MATTER WHAT THE FUCK HE WAS BOOSTED WITH

CP can weigh in on this later if needed. But yeah, it only doubles the recharge time, it doesn't fill it completely.

The Mask 38

03-27-2011 02:13 AM ET (US)
I hate this playerlist. The mafia might be killing soon... who do you think they'll go for, if not one of us?

^This is him debating who to save I reckon.

So the 27th March and TM's death (31st March) ought to be our timeframe. If anyone used a CO power between these dates, we know TM used his AFTER that. But in any case, I doubt he could have used his CO and then been fully charged up to SCO in time, in any case.

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Fate if you're really Kanbei and I'm really paranoid dumbTown, use your Super CO and you'll take L+2 to lynch. We can test you by getting you to regular hammer. Easy.

[AurorusVox]

I said "in any case" twice. Maybe I am a paranoid dumbfuck =3

TS, CP, bv, SP: give us your takes, you bunch of letters you.

[AurorusVox]

@bv; problem with that is if scumzz kill Grey.

[AurorusVox]

Lynch Enigma
Scum get an NK
Grey dies
There goes our vig shot

[AurorusVox]

I think we've got 2x votes on Enigma so we only need Gandalf's hammer and then we mass accelerate.

Enigma town = Fate then bv lynched
Enigma scum = Fate lynched then gg

[AurorusVox]

Fate: are you saying Grey can't be scum with that ability?

[AurorusVox]

He can only shoot once normally. The only reason he can shoot twice is because CP powered him up.

Ah. Gandalf. You mentioned Gandalf, hm?

Implosion got lynched with less votes than required, didn't he? Seems like a scum equivalent of Hated Townie.
The fact that TM is L+1 actually makes me wonder if GreyICE isn't the L+1 on the scumteam to mirror TM.

[AurorusVox]

Grey are you good to shoot whoever is on your wagon atm?
Enigma needs to revote you asap.

We're currently (3/6) on the Accelerate Lynch front.
Once Gandalf has dropped his hammer, I'll vote Accelerate Lynch, Grey can comply, and one more person (bv/TS/CP<--- lol where are these lads?) needs to do it too.

[AurorusVox]

FML. I'm getting tired so my posts are full of fail. Bed time now I think.

Amending the previous post:
If Enigma

doesn't vote Grey

we go ahead with lynching Enigma before the NK.
Then if Grey survives the night we test his 2x kill tomorrow.

If Enigma

does vote Grey

, then Grey shoots two out of Enigma/SP/

Fate

(<--- reality check)
We can lynch Fate tomorrow if we can't get it done before the NK.

Remember that 2x Greyshots makes CP confirmed town, anything less DOES NOT MAKE HIM CONFIRMED SCUM unless GreyICE has flipped town.
And if anyone is scum other than CP that makes TS very likely town.

[AurorusVox]

FFS CP.

Did you boost TM? Simple question really. If not, Fate changes from wrong-place-wrong-time-town, to confirmed liar-liar-pants-on-fire-scum.

Look, the longer we put this off, the more likely we are to face a NK.

Tonight is the night. If there is no vig (Enigma + bv sounds dandy) opportunity then we just HAVE TO LYNCH or scumzz will be all like "Oh herp derp here's another NK kthx." LYNCHING isn't a bad option. DOING NOTHING is.

[AurorusVox]

Scum are never going to boost anyone other than their own pals.
There are no other claimed boosters.

So Fate gets the noose.

[AurorusVox]

We're basically waiting on Gandalf.

[AurorusVox]

By my count, Enigma only has 2 votes on him atm, and Fate only has 4.

[AurorusVox]

Enigma: (

Sociopath

, GreyICE, bv)
Fate: (AurorusVox, Gandalf, Gandalf, Gandalf)
GreyICE: (Sociopath)

^I think?

[AurorusVox]

BV hasn't stolen the vote yet as far as I know. This is a move in the right direction though.

[AurorusVox]

BV hasn't stolen any votes yet AFAICT.

[AurorusVox]

._.

Kinda expected that from Fate tbh after he said his real role wasn't the one TM outed. But it was expected whether he was town or scum.

Fate, if you're cop, why did you say you'd be happy to die because your power was useless? More WIFOM?

---

Save FateWIFOM for tomorrow. I dun get what he means his passive will kill him. Eh.

Anyway, I know you like Gambitting, that's why I suspected that you'd out a real investigate on your own scumbuddy. If TM was doctor we could have followed the cop with you outing your reports, since they'd probably have tried to shoot you N1 and TM would have protected your shit. Its beside the point now anyway.

Unvote

Gandalf get your hammer on Enigma so we can accelerate this bitch.

[AurorusVox]

Yeah. Just settle for a single lynch. So long as it's before the NK we've gotten something good.

I was worried about TM-doc long before I said it, and put it on the backburner for a while, esp. when Implosion flipped scum. Then I got freaked out yesterday. If it was a TownGambitzz and not a ScumGambitzz then I'll be sincerely sorry for seeing lies and inconsistencies and rushing to declare it without WIFOMing myself out of it.

[AurorusVox]

Vote: Accelerate Lynch

[AurorusVox]

Need moar accelerate.
=_="

[AurorusVox]

DRUNKPOSTING TO RIVAL FATE?!

WTF AAAAAAAAAATe

wju uou alwaus gambitz?

why noty us tjust platy town gaEM>

AH WELL IF YOUR SCU M YOUR DYING LOL I CAUGHT YIU LIKE YOIU CAUGHT ME ONCE UPOJ A TIME

OF COURSE IF YURS TOWN THEN WHOOPS

ENIGMA STIGMA NEEDS TO DIE

i think my CO powr is tstoppped chargint due to IMPLOSION

no updates for dayzs on end

[AurorusVox]

Fate. Give us sweet juicy (fake?) investigative results and then let your passive kill you.

TS: SP is receiving your vote because...?

[AurorusVox]

Hey, hey. We're only killing off SP and bv under certain conditions after Fate is dead and flipped.

We're down to 8 players. If Fate is town and dies from his passive, and if we mis-shoot SP

and

bv, that means the scummz can NK for the endgame.

I REPEAT: We wait for Fate's flip. If he's town, we shoot ONE person. Then if we mishoot, plus the NK, we're lookin at 3:2 lylo (though I guess the vote-fuckery might mean we could still win even at "lylo"? Hmm)

If either Fate or the shot is scum, we can do what we damn well please. vOv

I'm kinda feeling a Fate-GreyICE scumteam in my tummy.

[AurorusVox]

Are you reading?
He said his passive kills him off.

[AurorusVox]

Lol@Grey

I'm scum despite having proved myself to have a town role?
Aite.

[AurorusVox]

The role of Hachi. Herp.

[AurorusVox]

=_="

My role Hachi is the basis of the entire case on Fate. I know you read that case. So where's that delicious knowledge?

Also it's ironic in that Fate was Hachi last game, so you get angry points for not appreciating the irony.

[AurorusVox]

Except like I just told you

Fate
Was
Hachi
In
The
Last
Game.

[AurorusVox]

Chesskid's role has flavour reason for switching sides because the guy flipped on his team or something.

[AurorusVox]

Because unless Hachi has defected to the Black Hole, saying he's scum is a stupid thing to say when the rest of the game respects flavour?

[AurorusVox]

Because it's highly unlikely that scum would have EXACTLY the same role, passive and all.

Not to mention if I was scum I could have kept quiet and NK'd Cop-Fate without bringing it to anyones' attention. vOv

[AurorusVox]

I also claimed my Passive.

[AurorusVox]

Click

[AurorusVox]

Yup.

Also note how my votes got fucked with. No townies are claiming to have done that, now, are they? I.e. scum fucked my votes.

[AurorusVox]

Yeah, checking with investigates sounds good if we're running close to the wire.

[AurorusVox]

You can check Fate with your investigate if need be? vOv

[AurorusVox]

Whaaa-?!

So what's the difference between his CO and his SCO?

[AurorusVox]

Ehh.

Kill/lynch SP before we do anything else then.
Simples.

[AurorusVox]

AV gets my player of the game nom, if it matter any.

<3 If it had been

anyone else

pulling the gambit that you pulled, I don't think you'd have made it that far, but the fact that you're Fate put a lot of doubt in my mind (and other's too)

I was raging myself in a WIFOMspiral for a lot of the game. I quote from my personal QT:

Holy balls of batman! What if TheMask was the doctor and used his power before he died to try to prevent the previous scumkill?! I'll be watching you, Fate...like a Hachihawk.

Holy shit holy shit holy shit.

It took me far too long to put that together. I guess letting Enigma bite the lynch over you when I was still alive meant we got your "report" on SP, so some good came of it, but town were not going to vote you after that (inducing dead QT rage and me crying myself into a WIFOM vortex). My hope picked up when they were going to Double Lynch you and bv, though frankly, after they decided to drop that, you should have had the game won.

---

I think this game had some nice mechanics to it, that we tried (and failed) to exploit, but in the process, failed to have them exploited back on us (double scum controlled vig would have been devastating). Enigma blocking Grey was actually one of the better things that could have happened if you had the redirect sorted out already!

In hindsight we definitely shouldn't have quicklynched Chess like that but Fate complimenting my townplay blinded me to the mistake >_>"

Btw...

was

someone messing with my votes and powers? >_>

[AurorusVox]

When I last had internet, I'd won this game.

FML.