Mini 1145 — Plain Mafia (over)

[Pine]

I'm pro-wall, here. More information, more to analyze, more substance. Conciseness is null, not pro-Town as many think.

[Pine]

Hi Romanus

I'm well aware that my position on walls is unpopular and probably misguided. But the subject came up, and I like to preach the word of the wall gods.

Maybe it's just that I have the time to read walls and sift through them, and because I'm prone to verbosity myself. *shrug*

[Pine]

Forgot the questions from ICEninja.
1) EDT. GMT-4
2) I'm currently in six games on MafiaScum.net, two more on Myth-Weavers.com. And if you think 7 days with a 14 day D1 is bad, one of the games on MW is 96 hour days, and the other is 84 hour days. It's intense, and a lot closer to live Mafia. Also, the post rate is a hell of a lot faster than on MS. As for experience, I have a couple of completed games on MW, a couple of my MS games are several days in, and I have a good quantity of live Mafia experience, though I've found that

maybe

50% of the skills from live games translate to here.
3) I post a lot. College students have a lot of flexible time on their hands.

[Pine]

For future reference, I'm noting AMP's late RVS vote because already 25 posts and on the first page, Iceninja's questions seem to have killed RVS. I'm not pointing fingers here yet, but it looks out of place. However, I do understand the temptation for a random vote, but I feel the RVS has been born and has died here on the first page.

^NERVOUS SCUM
VOTE: Peabody

Edited out the bold —Fenhl

I noticed this too. Already had a quick post typed up when I noticed we were already on page 2. I've gotta stop relying on the "Go to first unread post" button. I miss new pages all the time.

VOTE: Peabody

[Pine]

The last sentence of your post needs some clarification, Erratus.

Are you saying, "Four more votes on Lucresia, who is scum!"?

or

"Scum, please vote for Lucresia?"

Your sentence seems to me to mean the second thing, but I'm willing to wait for your clarification.

This post was remarkably dumb. First meaning was obvious. Second meaning was stupid.

The Lucresia wagon looks good, but I'll keep mine on Peabody for now. Didn't get enough pressure.

[Pine]

Alternatively, that's exactly what happened.

[Pine]

^The quote, not your Occam's Razor-defying explanation.

[Pine]

Alternatively, I could have meant precisely what I said.

Oh hey! That's what happened! I was commenting on irony, Ice.

[Pine]

To say I've been accused of oversensitivity would be an understatement.

*cough*

[Pine]

Oh hey! WIFOM from Peabody! I switch my vote to Lucresia, it's wagon-jumping. I keep it on him, and I'm nervous scum.

I said pressure on you because, quite frankly, I wasn't keeping track of the votes well enough and didn't realize I was the only one left. Also because the suspicion slipped off of you very quickly, and I don't think you were scrutinized carefully enough.

[Pine]

@Ranger-The fact that you didn't take offense to the way I criticized the relevant post made me realize I was pretty damn rude in pointing it out. My apologies. I'm in a number of extremely...contentious...games, where that kind of viciousness is more or less necessary for survival.

[Pine]

Apparently, there's only one scum in the games Peabody plays, because expressing suspicion of two people at once is suspicious.

I miscounted. I thought there were four at maximum, and two when I made the relevant comment. I'm satisfied where I am for now. Why so defensive to a single vote on you?

[Pine]

Started here, and has mounted since.

[Pine]

UNVOTE: Peabody

Vote isn't being useful, case is stale, and Peabody hasn't said anything incriminating (or much of anything at all) in a while.

I'll re-read the thread in the morning and assess whether the Lucresia wagon merits an L-1 vote or whether I want to pressure someone else.

[Pine]

Apologies for my extended absence. I've been ridiculously busy lately, and this thread was harder to keep up with than others.

First, to respond to the accusations of Peabody: Sheeping and bandwagoning? I've made exactly ONE vote, at the tail end of a wagon that was already losing steam, and kept it there long after others moved on, out of conviction. The Lucresia wagon had merit (hence why a whole bunch of people voted for her,) but I wasn't convinced enough to put her at L-1 and risk scum or reckless Town hammering. This caution seems to be supported by the rest of the thread, as the Lucresia wagon has evaporated. Finally, in regards to inconsistency, you have two points. First is that I took my vote off of you when I didn't feel it was doing anything, and you hadn't said anything scummy in a while, and second was that I apologized to Ranger for the vitriol with which I mocked him. What is inconsistent about that?

Your case is a cobbled-together mess of misquotations, half-truths, and gross exaggerations, taped together with delayed OMGUS and scummy nervousness. You hadn't said anything scummy in a while when I unvoted, but as expected, you took the removal of that last vote as permission to scum it up again.

Lucresia's case echoes Peabody's, and adds only null tells (like my fondness for walls and the fact that I answer questions when asked.)

VOTE: Peabody

FOS: Lucresia

[Pine]

The posts immediately preceding 78 were mostly null reads, followed by a long silence from you. I thought I was clear with this:

Vote isn't being useful, case is stale, and Peabody hasn't said anything incriminating (or much of anything at all) in a while.

No one else seemed confused by it.

The "inconsistency" regarding Rangerofthenorth was suggested by Lucresia, but your case and hers are so similar I mixed that point up.

I am at least 95% sure that between {Peabody, Lucresia}, we have at least one scum.

[Pine]

Not reading the thread indicates to me that you don't really care who gets lynched. And clearly not doing the research on the wagon you're pushing is

very

scummy in my eyes. Once in a while, you miss something. Twice in a row, though...

PEdit: When I unvoted, I re-evaluated those posts and decided there was an alternate explanation, and decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. I now think my initial suspicion was correct. Changing one's mind =/= inconsistency.

[Pine]

Prod dodge. Did not realize I was up for one. Full post later.

[Pine]

I'm still convinced that Peabody is the best shot we have at hitting scum with our lynch, but it isn't going to happen right now. I'll make a better case later.

I'm convinced by the Trendall cases. EA's 188 is the latest in a series of good points.

UNVOTE: Peabody
VOTE: Trendall

[Pine]

Ok so I just previewed and realized you guys put Trendall at L-1. Can you guys let me finish my draft before lynching anything? Thanks.

No problem. Welcome to the game.
UNVOTE: Trendall

@Yoshi-I realize I still owe a full post. I had a rough day today, and it isn't ready. I did a read-through, though, and made my decision. I'll expound upon it tomorrow.

But yeah, Peabody's devoid-of-reasoning L-1 vote strikes me as scummy, too. Of course, I find just about everything he says to be scummy, so i may be suffering from tunnel vision.

[Pine]

VOTE: Trendall

That was resolved faster than expected. Thanks for the alacrity, crazypianist. Trendall back to L-1.

[Pine]

The post with evaluations on people who aren't Peabody or Trendall is forthcoming, Valern. Probably tomorrow afternoon after work.

[Pine]

Sorry guys, I'm working on it now, but having serious problems staying awake. I've had an exhausting couple of days.

[Pine]

Oh thank god. I just spent 12 hours unconscious and was not looking forward to hurriedly finishing the post against Trendall and others. It's half-finished, and I'll clean it up and post it after work, but I've been suspicious of Peabody since page 2 and ready for his lynch since page 4. Glad to see some of you are coming around. Trendall can wait until Peabody flips, and we'll have more concrete information to go on.

UNVOTE: Trendall
VOTE: Peabody

[Pine]

I've complimented Nacho on his use of a JFK avatar as a subliminal "I am trustworthy" message, so your use of a Nixon pic is confusing on the same grounds.

The sudden Peabody wagon probably has 1-2 scum on it. Not me, I've been on Peabody as my #1 for a long time, so the others are looking good to me.

[Pine]

FOS: Coaching Peabody's response, and laying groundwork for his defense.

[Pine]

^ FOS is directed at Valern

[Pine]

The sudden Peabody wagon probably has 1-2 scum on it.

Who specifically, and why? This is a 180-degree turn from your "thank God" reaction to the Peabody wagon in your previous post.

It isn't a 180 turn. I'm still relieved we're onto the only obvscum, but I'm looking at one or two of the people

leaping

off of the Trendall wagon and bussing the now-likely lynch of their buddy that slipped up. I have no idea which of you it or they are. Two of you were previously town reads, and the third was a null read.

@Pine:

If you're going to attack a popular suspect for the sake of attacking a popular suspect, do at least try to not be obvious about it and actually have a base to your accusations. "Coaching"? "Laying groundwork for his defense" (which sounds, btw, like a fancy way of saying "coaching" but meant to sound like something different)? Really? lolwtfno. Sorry. I specifically made effort to

not

say anything Peabody could use to defend himself against DarthYoshi's case, and I will continue to do so until he has responded to it. How in hell is that coaching?

so expect to see a case on DY soon if I feel Peabody's response to his wagon is towny.

Mostly this sentence. This, combined with your repeatedly-mentioned "Town read" on Peabody, amounts to laying the groundwork for us to expect you to defend him after he responds, so it doesn't sound like you're just coming out of nowhere to try and save a scumbuddy going down in flames. The coaching is in telling Peabody to be careful how he responds to the wagon, and make sure it's as Townie as possible. Saying what you did

ruins

the natural reaction we were all looking for.

Will need to check if Pine is voting at this juncture.

I actually started to flake at that point, and got prodded. Hence the lack of vote when I meant to come back with one.

[Pine]

Oh. Promised to advertise for this game in sign-ups. Looks fun, need a couple more people.

Going to finish the promised catch-up post after dinner.

[Pine]

He isn't reading the same game. He's still back on Page 7. I -hate- when people do what he's doing.

[Pine]

I didn't realize either.

[Pine]

I think I'm going to have to ask to be replaced out of this game. I've not been able to get into it at all and I'm having a seriously hard time catching up and maintaining a presence. I'm not doing this game justice, and already got prodded once. Please don't judge my replacement harshly based on my poor contribution thus far.

@Mod: Please replace me.

[Pine]

I'm replacing out because this game is having a hard time holding my attention, and I am playing poorly. I'm not enjoying it, barely reading it, and not doing what I can to advance my wincon. Whoever replaces me will do it better justice. Not sure what it is about this game.

[Pine]

Not an alt, ICE.

[Pine]

Fuck it. I'll stay and just try to catch up this evening.

[Pine]

GOD DAMN IT.

I called both scum

[Pine]

*CP and Ranger. InHim surprised me.

[Pine]

Peabody, I feel I owe you an apology.