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Damn, this game.
Have you guys come up with anything? Thoughts, cases, anything?-
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Okay, I've ISO'd demonhybrid. The first part of the game went just like I remembered it, that is, he was mainly townish. However, read in isolation, this posts stands out:
This was essentially the basis of AGar's suspision of DH. When AGar brought it up, DH responded with these posts:DemonHybrid ISO 27 wrote:Whoever doesn't have a vote on Akira has my complete permission to hammer him. If he flips scum, I will cling onto a Cecily vote for dear life. You'll get an unvote from me over my dead body.
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Can't go into too much detail. Sitting on my phone in scranton until the weather's nicer, but I have a comment.AGar wrote:VOTE: VOTE: DemonHybrid
Yesterday smells completely like chaining lynches after a bus.
Nice try though.
What is your case for me over anyone else who voted Cecily?DemonHybrid ISO 29 wrote:And Parama posted minutes after I did. What is your point?DemonHybrid wrote:
But how am I different than someone like Parama, or better yet, someone who didn't vote Akira but voted Cecily?AGar wrote:
You set your vote in mind on D1. It's straight up chaining lynches.DemonHybrid wrote:
Can't go into too much detail. Sitting on my phone in scranton until the weather's nicer, but I have a comment.AGar wrote:VOTE: VOTE: DemonHybrid
Yesterday smells completely like chaining lynches after a bus.
Nice try though.
What is your case for me over anyone else who voted Cecily?
Sundy is suspect to me for that reason.DemonHybrid ISO 31 wrote:
You realize that Parama said the same thing? Why aren't you on his case?AGar wrote:
This post:DemonHybrid wrote:But how am I different than someone like Parama, or better yet, someone who didn't vote Akira but voted Cecily?
That's not a town mindset. At all.DemonHybrid wrote:Whoever doesn't have a vote on Akira has my complete permission to hammer him. If he flips scum, I will cling onto a Cecily vote for dear life. You'll get an unvote from me over my dead body.
For the record, I find you extremely misguided town. You find the first person who committed such an action and bite them instead of looking at the big picture, and I don't think that you as scum would try something so wacky.
You bring up a point about cecily being a good target for a lynch, though. What do you think of the late wagoners and those off of the Akira wagon but on the Cecily wagon?DemonHybrid wrote:So, you're voting based off of word choice over intent? Think about what you're saying.
My question: there are people who voted Cecily but not Akira, and there were people who voted Akira late and still voted Cecily. What do you think of those people?ShowTotal: 17/15/1
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When I first read these, I thought that DH was making a legitimate point about why AGar didn't go after Parama. However, looking closely, there is not an answer to the original concern that AGar brought. He doesn't try to explain his actions at all. He simply attacks AGar for singling him out and points to Parama as an example of a "townie" who did the same thing. Upon review, it reads as evasive, and somewhat scummy. Furthermore, there is this post:
Thus indicating that DH thought that Parama was town. It was that very night when Parama was killed. Perhaps DH thought that Parama was town, and was threatened by this post. So he killed him the following night and it turned out that Parama was the traitor.DemonHybrid wrote:
Parama, where did I say I thought you were scum? You've looked town all game.Parama wrote:oh man DH you're acting like scum now. Why are you, instead of providing a defense to AGar's accusations, deflecting to me EVERY SINGLE TIME? Especially since I don't think you've ever pressed any suspicions on me.
Town read redacted; guess I'm gullible for whatever type of WIFOM Akira pulled there.ShowTotal: 17/15/1
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"Bub Bidderskins-If he's scum, I'll catch him in 2 posts. If he's town, he'll probably be somewhat useful." ~Parama-
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Later that day, he made this post:
This was right after he got off of TS's wagon.DemonHybrid wrote:I'd say there is definite scum on both Oso's and TS's wagons. I need to do some analysis.
@DH: Why did you say that "there is definite scum on both Oso's and TS's wagons" when you yourself were on TS's wagon earlier that day?ShowTotal: 17/15/1
Town: 10/13/1
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"Bub Bidderskins-If he's scum, I'll catch him in 2 posts. If he's town, he'll probably be somewhat useful." ~Parama-
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Can scum not be on the same wagon that town is?@DH: Why did you say that "there is definite scum on both Oso's and TS's wagons" when you yourself were on TS's wagon earlier that day?
Just because I said there was probable scum on both wagons and I was on one of them, that doesn't mean everyone on the wagons is scum. I would hope that didn't need to be explained.
Also, it seems your main focus is on me being on the Cecily wagon, saying that I would vote Cecily no matter what.
1. First off, your whole point about me seeing Parama as town has no merit. Tell me one person who saw Parama as scum at that point in time.
2. Second off, my point is that (and once again, I had hoped that this didn't need to be explained) it was normal townie behavior to suspect the person naturally defending the scum after a slip. I equated my play to Parama's (at the time, who I, and everyone else, thought was extremely town) as anexampleto show that AGar's argument had no merit. And it doesn't.
Here's Cecily's lynch wagon.
Cecily (6) - crazypianist1116, Parama, DemonHybrid, Maemuki, TwistedSpoon, Bub Bidderskins,
Not Voting (5) - Oso, Cecily, AGar, Sundy, Riceballtail
^ Cecily lynch wagon
All three of us (Parama, you, and I) were on the wagon, and I'm definitely sure that if AGar was on to post, he would have been, too. So I don't understand the tendency to single me out just because I stressed the fact that I was going to commit an action that was obviously the right move at the time and to basically be honest to everyone. Cecily was the obvious lynch if Akira flipped scum at the time. That is normal logical cognitive processing, and I wasn't the only one who saw it.
tl;dr:
My Parama comparison was just an EXAMPLE.
Townies and scum alike were on the Cecily wagon. You were, too, and I'm sure AGar would have been if he had time (AGar, I'd like you to clarify this, as this is just an assumption; you never gave your PERSONAL thoughts on the wagon before or after it and whether you would have liked to been on it at the time)
My choice in language, in order to be honest, really has nothing to do with the intent; the intent was the same as every other townie on the wagon.-
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Yes, they can be, but that isn't the issue, the issue is the hypocracy. You criticized a wagon which you had just been on.DemonHybrid wrote:
Can scum not be on the same wagon that town is?@DH: Why did you say that "there is definite scum on both Oso's and TS's wagons" when you yourself were on TS's wagon earlier that day?
Just because I said there was probable scum on both wagons and I was on one of them, that doesn't mean everyone on the wagons is scum. I would hope that didn't need to be explained.
I understand that it was an example, that wasn't my issue with your defense from AGar. My issue was that you never actually explained why you voted for Cecily like you just did now. The whole of your response to AGar was devoted to asking him why he didn't go after Parama who did the same thing. Your response comes off as evasive and defensive.DemonHybrid wrote:Also, it seems your main focus is on me being on the Cecily wagon, saying that I would vote Cecily no matter what.
1. First off, your whole point about me seeing Parama as town has no merit. Tell me one person who saw Parama as scum at that point in time.
2. Second off, my point is that (and once again, I had hoped that this didn't need to be explained) it was normal townie behavior to suspect the person naturally defending the scum after a slip. I equated my play to Parama's (at the time, who I, and everyone else, thought was extremely town) as an example to show that AGar's argument had no merit. And it doesn't.
Here's Cecily's lynch wagon.
Cecily (6) - crazypianist1116, Parama, DemonHybrid, Maemuki, TwistedSpoon, Bub Bidderskins,
Not Voting (5) - Oso, Cecily, AGar, Sundy, Riceballtail
^ Cecily lynch wagon
All three of us (Parama, you, and I) were on the wagon, and I'm definitely sure that if AGar was on to post, he would have been, too. So I don't understand the tendency to single me out just because I stressed the fact that I was going to commit an action that was obviously the right move at the time and to basically be honest to everyone. Cecily was the obvious lynch if Akira flipped scum at the time. That is normal logical cognitive processing, and I wasn't the only one who saw it.
tl;dr:
My Parama comparison was just an EXAMPLE.
Townies and scum alike were on the Cecily wagon. You were, too, and I'm sure AGar would have been if he had time (AGar, I'd like you to clarify this, as this is just an assumption; you never gave your PERSONAL thoughts on the wagon before or after it and whether you would have liked to been on it at the time)
My choice in language, in order to be honest, really has nothing to do with the intent; the intent was the same as every other townie on the wagon.ShowTotal: 17/15/1
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There's no hypocrisy. I know and have always known that I was on the wagon. That wasn't my point; My point was that there might have been scum on both wagons -not including- me, and again, I would have hoped that would have been obvious.Yes, they can be, but that isn't the issue, the issue is the hypocracy. You criticized a wagon which you had just been on.
...which was an example. Which -reinforces- my reasoning, as the reasoning was already explained by everyone else. Me, crazy, you, Twisted, Mae, and everyone else who wanted to be on Cecily's wagon but didn't have time to ALL had the same reasoning. It was obvious.I understand that it was an example, that wasn't my issue with your defense from AGar. My issue was that you never actually explained why you voted for Cecily like you just did now. The whole of your response to AGar was devoted to asking him why he didn't go after Parama who did the same thing. Your response comes off as evasive and defensive.-
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I was going to re-read, post up a case, look at both of you and all that.
But I'm trusting my gut on this one, for the most part. Everything about DH's play has read to me as off, and Akira folded like a house of cards as if he knew fighting back would cause more harm than good. I'm being accused of "blatant" bandwagon hopping, but DH has done the same thing throughout the game. D1 it was CrazyPianist->Sundy->Akira, D3 he didn't lay down a vote at all until the RBT wagon came up and gathered steam, and D5 he flip-flopped between me and CP.
The only case to be made against Bub was that he was off of the Akira wagon and on the Cecily wagon, which holds some merit, as bussing a partner D1 in this setup could be risky, but with the traitor there, the case doesn't hold up in my eyes.
VOTE: DemonHybrid
Either I handed Bub-scum a win here, because I just don't see it, or I've been right since D3.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.-
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DemonHybrid And Another Thing...
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More with the gut?
Alex, if you're town and you fucking hand this away on a fucking gut read, I'm going to be slightly angry.
Whatever happened to "Bub is scummy, hear me out"? Where's your goddamn case?-
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DemonHybrid And Another Thing...
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More importantly, why did you switch as soon as Bub turns and says that, to him, my play seemed slightly scummy? Seriously, it's like you abandoned this "Bub is scummy" crap as soon as he questioned me.
For the record, I see three options coming out of this.
1. You unvote and we can continue to make cases and analyze this further
2. Bub quickvotes me
3. Bub doesn't quickvote me, I vote you and he chooses between us two
I give you all the freedom and power in the world to choose #1.-
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You said you don't want NK analysis, so my point on Bub is null. Even with NK analysis, it's weak, and my gut feeling is still stronger.
Ignoring gut in the past has cost me dearly, I'm not going to let it happen again.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.-
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Very well.
Vote: AGar
You should NOT be basing a LyLo vote on a gut read at this point in the game, and if your only points against Bub were to save your own ass (seeing as how you admit it's weak), I don't find it genuine.-
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UNVOTE:
Ugh fuck my life. Fuck it fuck it fuck it fuck it.
I don't know what to make of this game anymore. Gut says DH. Then gut says DH is spewing town tells like a slit throat. Then gut says "no, don't doubt yourself."
FUUUUCk.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.-
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Slightly, but that is irrelevant.
God dammit.Ski mask? Check! Sawed off? Check! Guilty conscience, fear of death? Check! Check! Check!
Get to know me. Or don't. I won't tell you what to do. I'm not God. Or your father. Or your boss.-
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DemonHybrid And Another Thing...
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I'm not really buying the whole "inner turmoil" thing.
I'd like Bub to check in.-
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I'm sort of in the same position as AGar except backwards. For the whole game my gut was telling me that DH was town, but now, upon re-examining his posts in isolation, I've come to question that read. However, before I make a decision, I need to look at AGar. I don't have time to do that tonight, but I'll try to get my findings on him in by tomorrow.ShowTotal: 17/15/1
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What do you mean?DemonHybrid wrote:Bub, how long are you going to be around?ShowTotal: 17/15/1
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"Bub Bidderskins-If he's scum, I'll catch him in 2 posts. If he's town, he'll probably be somewhat useful." ~Parama-
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DemonHybrid And Another Thing...
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I want to try something and I want to know if I can trust you or not. I may be throwing the game away (I really hope I'm not ._.), but I'm pretty certain of this:
Vote: AGar
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For the record, I don't trust AGar's wishy washy vote patterns. I don't trust his theatrical inner turmoil of today and I don't trust his frustration. You've had consistent solid logic and I want to know, now or never, whether you're town or not.-
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