I hope CES will forgive me for taking the opportunity to post under my own steam, here, but I just NEED to at this stage. I'm baffled by this wagon. I don't
get
it, and it's almost certainly largely scum driven. I mean, I'm not even sure why FD is voting us any more - it seems like he's just tunneled hard on us (his latest accusation of us tunneling is laughable, in context) - we called out his ridiculous overreaction (which IS scummy, like it or not) and cited the meta case, and now he thinks we're scum? Uph. Honestly I'm beginning to lose conviction that they're scum anyway, but w/e. We're not voting them any more. If we survive and CES still thinks you're scum, we'll have to compromise or w/e.
The one thing I've learnt from this game is that CES and I have massively different playstyles. Personally, I think we should have been pushing FD harder earlier, and he thinks we should have jumped off the FD wagon earlier, and between us we ended up doing neither and parking our vote there for no real reason.
Frankly I think Copper's jump on our wagon is scummy. He skirts around it for ages, then invents a little game that allows him to jump on board. I don't like people telling me not to vote someone. I'm pretty certain that we could still get FD lynched if we tried - but well, I guess we haven't really been making things happen this game. It's hard when everyone thinks you're scum and no one will listen to what you say except to invent scumtells in it (/bitter).
Daspot is like ridiculously insanely scummy and I have no idea how ANYONE can think he's town. Like, that exchange at the beginning, read it again. He votes UB, pushes UB (and yes, that is pushing. WTF. I have no idea how he can think that shit isn't pushing - repeating "omg x is scummy" and bringing him up over and over is pushing the lynch) and then his partner comes in, realises what a terrible idea it is to push the ridiculously soft UB wagon and tries to reposition them. Peu importe that everyone thinks they're town - it's a soft wagon because UB is essentially this game's VI, this game's designated day 1 wagon (and that he didn't get more votes is pretty extraordinary, really) and pushing that wagon is generally both attractive and lethal to scum. So yeah, daspot needs to die.
Apart from that, I personally liked the gummybear case that fonzi was talking about - CES was lukewarm on it though. Hah, that's counter to my meta, I know, but lurking scum is back in vogue (probably since no one lynches lurkers any more). On that note, if me and CES have had low activity it's partly because we haven't agreed on much.
I don't really want to claim, and fonzi's suggestion that us getting out of this mess sans claim would mean we're scum is bullshit.
Everything we see hides another thing, we always want to see what is hidden by what we see.