If you don't like the prodding, please replace out. I'm fucking sick and tired of you barely doing anything and flaunting hammers like you don't give a damn. Enough people are tired of this game that we don't need a slot trolling it. There are supposedly six of you in there; shape up or GTFO.Unicorn Brethren wrote:Stop prodding us. We're tactically lurking. FFS!
As I understand it, Greymarble retracted the case not because they didn't believe in meta but because they made the whole thing up. Greymarble even admitted to this, which makes your continued push with it on Day 1 bad.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:A completely unforced retraction of a case isn't a priori scummy. As far as I can tell, you made a case based on the observation that Fate wasn't aggressive which you didn't actually agree with as a result of a general stance on meta. I, on the other hand, think meta arguments are wholly valid and your "retraction" meant nothing to me.
...and you still think them scum, Y/N?GummyBear wrote:But now that SVT is requesting replacement...that slot has coasted for the past two game days through "catching up" but not actually catching up and eventually requesting replacement.
FD made a really scummy looking response to being attacked, and FES voted for him because of it. No, he didn't make a huge case against FD when he voted for him, but I don't think he needed to there, and I don't think it's scummy of him not to.Greymarble wrote:Okay, then lets start.
- his case on FD was crap.
- he's made like... two votes all game. One for FD, one for a hydra I consider obvtown
Really?- That post you quoted was just kinda null-flavored bland
I already explained why I think this series of posts is much more likely to come from town then from scum, weeks ago. Are you paying attention to the game here? Because this is the second time you've asked me about something I've already said.- This is the gummybear post:I dun see how that's very town.Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:We were talking about the presented quotes in #120. We originally thought the contradiction was imaginary but after AIM-fueled reflection came to the conclusion that the point of view Gummybear puts forth does contain an inconsistency. We however feel the inconsistency is, if anything, genuine and not the result of intentionally taking an anti-town position. We dislike the amount of reasoning put forth in #120 since, as evidenced by our position, we don't feel the relevant conclusion follows as straightforwardly as the lack of reasoning suggests.Pathetric wrote:What do you think I was trying to say?
YosFlavouredCayke wrote: He starts off calling out Ether on her position on Gummy's "contradiction", calling it semantics. He then thought and discussed it with his other head, and then came to the conclusion that it might not be just semantics. But he still thought that even if it was a contradiction, it probably wasn't an "intentionally anti-town" one, and still said he disliked Ether's post.
That's a very nuanced and thoughtful position; he realized he was partly wrong, but still didn't agree that Gummy's actions were actually scummy, so he said so, and expressed some concern about Ether's seeming to take for granted that it was without explaining. The whole thing looks like a pro-town person who's both honestly trying to figure out what is wrong, and honestly trying to point out what he sees as a logical flaw in a case being made; it's not the kind of post I expect scum to make. I expect scum to be much less likely to undermine their own point by admitting they were incorrect; I'd expect scum to either really go for the throat and just try to hammer the attack against Ether home, or else back off and try to disengage from the fight. He didn't do either, and I don't really see why scum would act that way.
Many of the things here are things I've already explained, greymarble. I'm just repeating them because someone asked why I thought FES was town, so I put many of my reasons into one post.It honestly reads like you flipped through his ISO and grabbed a few reasons he might be town.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY IS THIS SCUM STILL ALIVE?DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:@ YFC
Not to mention that your defense of FES is so lame, you have to resort to using the word "obvious" about 4 times. Your entire defense boils down to "he's obviously town". Just as I suspected, you have proven yourself a scumbuddy of FES. Now to find the 3rd scum.
Anyone who thinks this is town reasoning, should be shot.Spot wrote:Not to mention that your defense of FES is so lame, you have to resort to using the word "obvious" about 4 times. Your entire defense boils down to "he's obviously town". Just as I suspected, you have proven yourself a scumbuddy of FES. Now to find the 3rd scum.
Do you dispute that Fate hadn't been aggressive? If Greymarble had offered up a refutation of their own argument beyond "lol meta", then that might be relevant. Otherwise, their statements don't impact the validity of the argument.Balam wrote:As I understand it, Greymarble retracted the case not because they didn't believe in meta but because they made the whole thing up. Greymarble even admitted to this, which makes your continued push with it on Day 1 bad.
This is to show that we do not skim.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:He's been doing more real scumhunting then 90% of this game.DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:kay so why is FES town?
meta arguments won't here.where?Every vote he's made all game has a pretty obvious pro-town motive.I chuckledHe's consistently been aggressive and logical in scumhunting.AGAIN WHERE?It's quite obvious1that finding and lynching scum has been a higher priority for them then survival has been all game.you know what no they have just been anti townHis refusal to vote Beaver at the start of today, when he was at huge risk of being killed, for example, is very unlikely as a scum (unless he's scum with Beaver, which dosn't seem that likely here).This is the only point I agree with but then...Instead, he's kept voting for FD, the guy he gave logical reasons for suspecting as long ago as day 1, and refused to let the fact that he was clearly risking his life to do or the fact that other people didn't agree change his mind.FD has put down a good case for him as well.And day 1, his behavior was quite obviously2pro-town; there's no way a scum makes this post:
Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:EBWOP:
We didn't notice that it was L-1 when we placed our vote, but we're aware of it now.DOHOHOHOHOHO. no seriously I would see as scum signaling his partner saying "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND VOTE THIS GUY ALREADY"
Also, day 1 stuff like the sparring with Ether about the Gummybear wagon was obviously3pro-town. He also disagreed with the US wagon on day 1, in a situation where he was at a significant risk of being lynched himselfI don't remember this... I'll check
All of the actions FES have done basically all game are pretty consistently pro-town actions; none of it makes sense for FES scum, it all makes perfect sense for FES town.I said no metaNo one has made a case against him that makes a lick of sense at all to me, and yet he's at lynch -1. This is pretty clearly a bad bandwagon, and probably a scum driven one.
YosFlavouredCayke wrote:FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY IS THIS SCUM STILL ALIVE?DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:@ YFC
Not to mention that your defense of FES is so lame, you have to resort to using the word "obvious" about 4 times. Your entire defense boils down to "he's obviously town". Just as I suspected, you have proven yourself a scumbuddy of FES. Now to find the 3rd scum.
Anyone? I really want to know here how anyone could possibly have any doubt about Spot's alignment at this point. He asks for me to explain my read, and then he ignores the entire thing, except to claim that the word obvious is a scumtell, which is the most idiotic argument I've ever heard in a mafia game. There is zero chance that this guy is town who's trying to find out the truth here; he's apparently not even reading the answers to questions that he asks at this point.
-Yos
This is to show that we do not skim.YosFlavouredCayke wrote:He's been doing more real scumhunting then 90% of this game.DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:kay so why is FES town?
meta arguments won't here.where?Every vote he's made all game has a pretty obvious pro-town motive.I chuckledHe's consistently been aggressive and logical in scumhunting.AGAIN WHERE?It's quite obvious1that finding and lynching scum has been a higher priority for them then survival has been all game.you know what no they have just been anti townHis refusal to vote Beaver at the start of today, when he was at huge risk of being killed, for example, is very unlikely as a scum (unless he's scum with Beaver, which dosn't seem that likely here).This is the only point I agree with but then...Instead, he's kept voting for FD, the guy he gave logical reasons for suspecting as long ago as day 1, and refused to let the fact that he was clearly risking his life to do or the fact that other people didn't agree change his mind.FD has put down a good case for him as well.And day 1, his behavior was quite obviously2pro-town; there's no way a scum makes this post:
Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:EBWOP:
We didn't notice that it was L-1 when we placed our vote, but we're aware of it now.DOHOHOHOHOHO. no seriously I would see as scum signaling his partner saying "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND VOTE THIS GUY ALREADY"
Also, day 1 stuff like the sparring with Ether about the Gummybear wagon was obviously3pro-town. He also disagreed with the US wagon on day 1, in a situation where he was at a significant risk of being lynched himselfI don't remember this... I'll check
All of the actions FES have done basically all game are pretty consistently pro-town actions; none of it makes sense for FES scum, it all makes perfect sense for FES town.I said no metaNo one has made a case against him that makes a lick of sense at all to me, and yet he's at lynch -1. This is pretty clearly a bad bandwagon, and probably a scum driven one.
YosFlavouredCayke wrote:FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY IS THIS SCUM STILL ALIVE?DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:@ YFC
Not to mention that your defense of FES is so lame, you have to resort to using the word "obvious" about 4 times. Your entire defense boils down to "he's obviously town". Just as I suspected, you have proven yourself a scumbuddy of FES. Now to find the 3rd scum.
Anyone? I really want to know here how anyone could possibly have any doubt about Spot's alignment at this point. He asks for me to explain my read, and then he ignores the entire thing, except to claim that the word obvious is a scumtell, which is the most idiotic argument I've ever heard in a mafia game. There is zero chance that this guy is town who's trying to find out the truth here; he's apparently not even reading the answers to questions that he asks at this point.
-Yos
First, when he was being attacked for not voting Beaver, on the assumption that he should have been voting Beaver instead of FD because Beaver was the bigger wagon, he said this:Kcdaspot wrote:... I just checked...
yos: please point it out?
when did he NOT openly vote beaver? I'd expect some kind of defense of beaver if he didn't like instead of saying why beaver was town he called the wagon scum.
I defended beaver... where did he?
Later, when asked about what he thought about the Beaver case, he called it "null".Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:We're slightly baffled by the suggestion that we should be voting beaverweasel, considering we had a much stronger scum read on final destination yesterday.
Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:That depends to a great extent on what type of players it contains. They've struck us as Mastinesque so far, which would make it fairly null.Balam wrote:All right, so we know now that you meant that BeaverWeasel's case was bad. What does that say about BeaverWeasel's alignment?
You asked me why I thought about FES. I answered, giving a lot of reasons for my thoughts. You ignored everything I said, just called it "lame", and attacked me for using the word "obvious". The way you chose to respond was incredibly scummy; I don't think you actually are trying to figure out anyone's alignment, not FES's or mine, or else you would have responded in your inital post to some of the actual points I raised; I think you're just trying to force through a mislynch through sheer volume at this point.DaSpot wrote:
Okay. Where is the scum bit? where?
heh. You're now *threatening* to flame me for calling you scum? That's classic.I'm THIS close from flaming THE FUCK out of you.
Yosarian2 wrote:First, when he was being attacked for not voting Beaver, on the assumption that he should have been voting Beaver instead of FD because Beaver was the bigger wagon, he said this:Kcdaspot wrote:... I just checked...
yos: please point it out?
when did he NOT openly vote beaver? I'd expect some kind of defense of beaver if he didn't like instead of saying why beaver was town he called the wagon scum.
I defended beaver... where did he?
Later, when asked about what he thought about the Beaver case, he called it "null".Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:We're slightly baffled by the suggestion that we should be voting beaverweasel, considering we had a much stronger scum read on final destination yesterday.
Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:That depends to a great extent on what type of players it contains. They've struck us as Mastinesque so far, which would make it fairly null.Balam wrote:All right, so we know now that you meant that BeaverWeasel's case was bad. What does that say about BeaverWeasel's alignment?
So, in a situation where he was at significant risk of being lynched, he did not join the large Beaver wagon, which could have saved his life at the time, he didn't even verbally support the Beaver wagon, and instead said that he thought the scumtells Beaver had done were actually null, and instead stuck to his guns and stuck to his scum read, even when no one else supported him.
THe only way FES could possibly be scum here is if he's scum with Beaver, and that seems unlikely.
Also, he did the same thing on day 1, refuisng to join the US mislynch wagon (what we now now was a mislynch) in order to stay on his main scum read.
You asked me why I thought about FES. I answered, giving a lot of reasons for my thoughts. You ignored everything I said, just called it "lame", and attacked me for using the word "obvious". The way you chose to respond was incredibly scummy; I don't think you actually are trying to figure out anyone's alignment, not FES's or mine, or else you would have responded in your inital post to some of the actual points I raised; I think you're just trying to force through a mislynch through sheer volume at this point.DaSpot wrote:
Okay. Where is the scum bit? where?
heh. You're now *threatening* to flame me for calling you scum? That's classic.I'm THIS close from flaming THE FUCK out of you.
Go for it. I dare you. It'll just make your bullshit that much more obvious and get you lynched that much faster, and you know it.
-Yos
Greymarble wrote:Because that looks an awful lot like a Unicorn Hammer up there in the thread above us, so shortly opinions on FES' alignment are going to become very extremely moot.Copper wrote:Why doesn't Llamarble's input matter?Greymarble wrote: Oh well, Llamarble's input is in, and not that it matters, but he suggests FES/Fonzi.
That wasn't the hammer? FFfffffffDaSpotthatkillsu wrote:Greymarble: it's L-1.
I'm sorry, but my bloodlust and rage for Unicorn Brethren are significantly stronger at the moment. It's annoying me greatly that no amount of pressure and yelling can make them do anything remotely productive, and they're still blabbering about dropping hammers. They are coasting. That ends today.DaSpotthatkillsu wrote:Just finish the scum off. You don't let someone get to L-1 and not claim and then just back off of them.
Balam wrote:All I know is you think Copper and apparently Frogito Ergo Sumare scum, the rest were made on page 19 and are in all likelihood outdated.
On the matter of giving reads, you missed this question from us (ISO 14):Unicorn Brethren wrote:Good luck with that.
We've given our reads, we are helping to lynch, and we are ready and waiting to sit back and laugh when we are right and you are wrong.
---Copper wrote:Which Unicorn was this? And what do you believe the single strongest scumtell on us to be?Unicorn Brethren wrote:
Put Copper on your Willing to Lynch list and it's a deal.
Vote: Copper if we aren't already.
