Newbie 1087: Welcome To The Jungle (Game Over)

[jindori]

Awsome i am in. confirm.

[jindori]

Hope to have a great game.

[jindori]

Vote ray frost

Even through i am town there is no way of knowing whos town first day with out bieng mafia. You probally through your buddy in there.

[jindori]

hmmmm would yoru partner really out you through. Anyway if i was your partner you'd be mod killed for outing me cause it goes against your win condition. Booyeh for reasearching the rules.

[jindori]

Rayfrost mafia or messing around discuss.

[jindori]

Rayfrost mafia and/or messing around discuss.

Statement of the obvious is obvious statement and this sentence is redundantly repeating itself. Is in love with jindori Discuss.

Your what!!!!!!!

[jindori]

lol a horsieeeee does it spew rainbows

[jindori]

lol secound scum whos the secound.

[jindori]

You pulled this before in another game i was in so the chances of me falling for it are pretty low. Anyway the best course of action would to be to vote me or toxictaipan. Since i am townie best to vote toxic first then me on day two untill we get better leads.

Unvote Vote toxicpan

[jindori]

your just confusing as hell i seriously don't know what to do with you.

[jindori]

Unvote vote

Kittymo

because voting for rayfrost or toxic is confusing. So better off with a rand.

[jindori]

Unvote, Vote: Jindori

KittyMo is so freaking town that you must be scum for suspecting her. /logical fallacies ahoy!

Alternatively: KittyMo's a sparkly, glittering, cute little kitty. Why would you ever want to kill her? SCUM!

Thats ok i will stick with my rand till i find someone better.

[jindori]

@twistedspoon lol i know i will let you infleunce me instead.

Vote rayfrost

[jindori]

So it doesnt matter if i get lynched aslong as town beats scum right.

[jindori]

@toxictaipan so do you know more that than ray toxic

[jindori]

unless he has a significant role of some kind i doubt he would.

[jindori]

I am Scum.

Yes yes you are

unvote vote toxictaipan

[jindori]

My, my. Somebody's getting feisty over one vote. Frosty being the main wagon at the moment indicates that people obviously do care about his shenanigans.

For people who haven't yet noticed and who have yet to post: We're already steering into srz bzns, so don't pretend otherwise.

pedit: Changing quotes is scummy.

I picked that up from reading some of rayfrost past games i think it's funny if it obvious.

[jindori]

Okay, time to get serious. I'm sorry for acting silly and being confusing. We're just wasting time with these shenanigans.

UNVOTE: RayFrost
VOTE: jindori
Dude's changed his vote a few times. If he's scum, we can clear a few names.

So you like playing shenanigans but when the votes rain down on you, you get all serious and defensive. Right so what do you think's a safer vote a person putting pressure on people with his vote or a defensive player with a scummy smell.

[jindori]

Okay, time to get serious. I'm sorry for acting silly and being confusing. We're just wasting time with these shenanigans.

UNVOTE: RayFrost
VOTE: jindori
Dude's changed his vote a few times. If he's scum, we can clear a few names.

So you like playing shenanigans

but when the votes rain down on you, you get all serious and defensive.

Right so what do you think's a safer vote a person putting pressure on people with his vote or

a defensive player with a scummy smell.

I could say the same about you. All I did was mention your name

once

and you try to shift the blame back onto me instantly.

Underlining edit mine, by the way.

Well my vote was already on you and probally will stick.

[jindori]

Unvote vote

Kittymo

because voting for rayfrost or toxic is confusing. So better off with a rand.

Finding your own path is good, young Padawan. But, why is it confusing? Is there a particular reason it's difficult to form a stance on them?

I was waiting to i could figure them out before i vote them. I didn't relise before the wagons sure have built fast.

[jindori]

Choo-choo on teh spoon.

this is calling for my wagon mate; you're asking others to vote for me on a 'wagon train'

and actually i spelt hipocracy correctly, although your American spelling is probably different to the UK one

other townies? I meant townies as in townspeople if you prefer it that way.

Eh? Could've sworn I had voted....

Oldest trick in the scumbook. Looking to keep your hands clean should i flip town and using the two excuses of yours:
'I could've sworn'
and
'Cuz I'm town'

So who in your opions scummier ray or toxic.

[jindori]

Unvote Vote ajolin

His vote seemed a little suspicious because of the misrepresentation of his vote in post 103. Also sorry I am sorry I haven't been paying much attention to this game I will get into it more soon.

[jindori]

Because the most likely to be scum from a town point of view would be ajolin or I, if twisted is scum. If ray is scum votes on toxic. So my sugestion would be to vote one of those two and it will clear more names. If one roles town vote the other. If both role town mafia has duped us.

so here's the paths in my eyes

twisted roles scum vote day 1/2 rayfrost roles scum day 1/2
vote ajolin or i day 2/3 vote toxic
vote ajolin day 3/4

Hopefully we have inspector to make it easier on us and to sort out whos scum or not. If we have docter it's going to be so much harder. If we have both then awsome.

I tried to keep this post as unbiased as possible but i know the twisted path is a little biased. I just hope we have inspector.

[jindori]

I don't quite understand the syntax (word order) of what you just said. Could you try and make that a little bit more readable?

Also, by inspector I assume you mean cop?

Aggh i am sorry it cut out most the spacing. But what i meant was if ray frost turns scum vote toxic.

If twisted roles scum vote ajolin or I. Because we both followed twisted votes so that makes us the most likely candiates. It doesn't really matter if you lynch me cause i win if town wins. An inspector will be able to help us out lots and find scum easier.

[jindori]

Yep you can kill yourself. @ Everyone my computer broke down so i'm using my courses computer, hopefully i will be able to fix it myself by thursday. Shouldn't effect gameplay to much.

[jindori]

ohh no i am bieng day vig i am werewolf i am werewolf westside jokes. Anyway from posting so far my doubt's are starting to grow on twisted. This is the way rayfrost normally plays and i am modyfing some of his techniques to use in the other game. So now rays stopped joking around i can tell his townish. Anyway lets put a little more pressure on twisted.

Day kill twisted
Vote Twisted

[jindori]

I have played a game wthat is ongoing with ray i got modkilled so i have played with him before. Thats were the dayvig jokes came from. Also i'm pressuring twisted and doing other things by putting him at l1 i see it as a great tactical move.

To anwser your questions I just was giving options based on whos siding with who things can change like you said. Probally not wise to hope on a cop but i am. Because there's like a 50 percent chance there is one. 2 out of 4 scenarios i think that is a good enough chance. Also my ajolin vote is out to date my computer broke down so i couldn't change it earlier.

[jindori]

Well my comp broke down thats a pretty good excuse. I have trouble keeping up sometimes using just public comps. Anyway i didn't change my vote earlier because all i get are null reads and no one else was voting ajolin so i thought it 1 added pressure two 2 get ajolin in the game more so i can see where he stands. Also yes i am okay with getting twisted lynched. Because it gives us more information since right now everyone seems null.

[jindori]

Lol the reason i made twisted l1 was to see the last one to lynch him. It was a trap to set up scum.

[jindori]

lol you have not meet me then. My ridiculous excuses are way more extravagant than that. Ask ray.

[jindori]

no i wasn't asking for that i was asking for a personality not refrences to other games.

[jindori]

personality review

[jindori]

@Toxic if you really didn't like me putting at l-1 why didn't you unvote him. I noticed you were online when i did it. You could of unvoted. It really was bad that he was cop and i didn't expect that. But we can still recover.

[jindori]

Also I think we should look at which player got killed Dekes. What does this tell you, it says that scum was trying to set me up. My active lurking near the end of day 2 was because my computer broke down and bieng watched by a teacher is nerve racking. You can notice how my posting pattern changed when I said my comp broke down as well.

Anyway i think i will give a reading on Voided. I don't really trust voided that much. Voided just seems to be going for low hanging fruit (aka ajolin and I). Also he pushed the case on twisted the hardest, yet is outraged when twisted is voted off. Saying that twisted is almost certain scum and then claiming to want to keep him in longer. If he was certin scum why have hesitations about twisted being voted. Also another fact dekes brought up this. Look who died, by killing dekes you would of gained the most out of everyone. Suspicion is cast on me it's impossible for dekes to bring up the case again. It's just a win win for you.

Edit also ray i was posting my opion but my teacher caught me and i was ninjaed by you 4 times. The bad thing is i have to print this off a redo all the spelling errors nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[jindori]

Truthelly i didn't expect anyone to hammer that early, I didn't think anyone in their right mind would hammer that early. I also think i am the one who will be lynched today. Also i am still suspicious of toxic But if i vote him you guys be like it's a omgus vote, which i think omgus is a bunch of bs. The first thing is the argument with you but what I want to elabrate on, is the fact he copied david xanatos reasons in post 199. Which I would look into if i was you since david xanatos is high on your scum list. This actually made twisted wagon the biggest. Then post 212 and post 214. Trying to discredit twisted spoon earlier an argument even through it wasn't even brought up. I can fish more latter when i have time.

[jindori]

Xanatos is just lurking, so he's null till he gives more stuff out.

Kitty...you're REALLY got to start doing more. You're not a suspect right now, but if you keep up what you've done D1 and you'll rise.

Ray: Nothing speaks out as scum so far.

Toxic: Town so far. I haven't seen much that's dissuaded me from that yet.

So, that just leaves Jindori. ISO #34 is, like you said, full of absolute bs, he never really gave reasoning for voting twisted either (except for pressure, which imo is lame without follow-up), and his plan on D1 for lynch set-ups was just bad, bad, bad. His supposed "ploy" for the l-1 vote just doesn't sit right with me, either. His later statement of shock at the hammervote follow-up could be genuine enough, I suppose.

also, Toxic was pointing out how bad Twisted was doing in regards to my argument. Twisted was completely ignoring what my case was in the first place, and Toxic also called him out on it. And now you just did nearly the same thing I did to Ajol, except it's a misrep instead of misquote. Not cool at all.

unvote, vote: Jindori

Ajol: So you didn't hammer Twisted without letting him claim?

I didn't relise they were questions to me. But if you look at the argument from another view not your tunnel views lol you may be able to see the way i see things. I find it intreasting how you ignore the way i pointed out the connection between toxic and david. Anyway there was a diffrence between the ray was acting and toxic was acting.

The key thing was toxic was acting like he knew more. he seemed smug and like he had power not the way a new town should be acting. Thats why i veiw toxic as scum. Also voided misquotes are way scummier than a misrep, a misrep might be due to someone thinking diffrent and not even thinking of a posiblity. While a misquote is an obvious attempt at making someone else look scummy. I admit my plan was a bad move but i was basicly copying what i saw another player do in another game i was reading. I can't give you the link cause it's an ongoing game. But it saved the life of a town player, here it back fired.

[jindori]

Oh the lynch set up forgot about that wa noobish of me i did that when i had tunnel vision. Funny how your two top suspects came from that list through. Also it wasn't toxic agreeing with his point of view he used it as his reason to vote twisted with out supplying a reason of his own. That my friend is two diffrent things.

[jindori]

Yeh basicly that's what i meant. That it is pretty much what i meant in the beginning. Sorry if my posts aren't clear sometimes my written english isn't the best. But my maths is pretty good. I don't know if this helps but i am a ESFJ (Extraverted Sensing Feeling Judging).

[jindori]

the unfluff Basicly yes that what i was reffrening to.

The fluff Extraverted Sensing Feeling Judging is a personality type. There's 16 personality types everyone in the whole world can be categorized on. If you figure out what personality type the person is you can then predict there reactions.

[jindori]

Well, if someone puts a case up against it, the natural (and usually automatic) reaction is to go out and reply and prove the case wrong.

I didn't see much of a new case just things i already anwsered and your point of view on my anwsers.

But if you look at the argument from another view not your tunnel views lol you may be able to see the way i see things.

Tunnel views? Excuse me?

Basicly me saying your not looking at the bigger picture. Not taking in the fact both me and ajolin could be town. I may just of misread your posts through.

I find it intreasting how you ignore the way i pointed out the connection between toxic and david. Anyway there was a diffrence between the ray was acting and toxic was acting.

That was just Toxic agreeing with David from my PoV, nothing more. Why do you think that that particular interaction is notable?

Anwsered this

The key thing was toxic was acting like he knew more. he seemed smug and like he had power not the way a new town should be acting. Thats why i veiw toxic as scum.

Yet it was quite obvious that he was acting under the premise of RVS, so why would that necessarily make him be scummier?

When asked do you know something more his response didn't seem townie to me. I mean yes there's a chance a joke but think. Would town make that sort of joke, the i know more than you sort. It seemed to be suggestive but not evident enough. It's pretty much worthless on it's on but add on the david vote a pattern seems to be drawn in my mind.

Also voided misquotes are way scummier than a misrep, a misrep might be due to someone thinking diffrent and not even thinking of a posiblity. While a misquote is an obvious attempt at making someone else look scummy. I admit my plan was a bad move but i was basicly copying what i saw another player do in another game i was reading. I can't give you the link cause it's an ongoing game. But it saved the life of a town player, here it back fired.

Maybe so, but misreps can be just as bad as misquotes in regards to lynches (note I'm NOT talking about relative scumminess, just in regards to making lynches happen).

anwsered

You mean the whole lynch setup plan you had?

Admit that was tunnel thinking on my part making me hypocritcal when i said it about you.

[jindori]

The key thing was toxic was acting like he knew more. he seemed smug and like he had power not the way a new town should be acting. Thats why i veiw toxic as scum.

Also voided misquotes are way scummier than a misrep, a misrep might be due to someone thinking diffrent and not even thinking of a posiblity.

While a misquote is an obvious attempt at making someone else look scummy. I admit my plan was a bad move but i was basicly copying what i saw another player do in another game i was reading. I can't give you the link cause it's an ongoing game. But it saved the life of a town player, here it back fired.

That was my anwser and i believe it to be true. A misrep can be accidental. Also the thought never occured in my mind mafia might use it to set you up. That's the truth.

[jindori]

I was saying he copied a reason from you so he could slip a vote through, and if ray someone is suspicious of you they should look at that. My point was to highlight toxic. You are still null on my read. You haven't really proven your town yet but still not scummy. The connection refers to you being the tool of toxic. Basically for the reasons i mentioned firstly.

[jindori]

Well i guess i gave enough reason to why i think toxic is scum. You can see them in my argument with voided

vote toxic.

[jindori]

lol well this game most be fun for you then.

[jindori]

David was the device toxic used to get get a vote under your noses. Still that's more evidence than whats presented on david. All you have on david is being away.

[jindori]

You know what the funny thing is, jindori? You've got a hang-up on Day 1, RVS joking around and you're using it as your main reason for voting someone on Day 2. Not to mention that you yourself were involved in RVS joking around at the beginning of the game, also. This just goes to show how little scum hunting you're actually trying to do.

RayFrost showed just as much information, if not more, than I did, and you're letting him go

completely

under the radar. Why are you stuck on me so badly? If my actions were truly that suspicious, then, logically, someone else who made the

same

actions I did should be under just as much suspicion, but I haven't seen RayFrost's name mentioned once. You're not being very consistent.

You're just pushing votes on me because I was a bigger bandwagon than RayFrost was and you think it will be easier to get other people on my case again. Why build a new wagon when you can just use the same one you did yesterday, right?

No i am going back to day 1 because i thought we missed evidence there and guess what i pointed some new out there. Also if you remember i didn't let him go under the rader i questioned him. so your defense using rayfrost is null since i questioned both. The first time i actually voted for you no one was actually on you. I was actually the first person on you. You weren't the bigger wagon ray was your logic is flawed.

And people this is why twisted is scum.

[jindori]

You know what the funny thing is, jindori? You've got a hang-up on Day 1, RVS joking around and you're using it as your main reason for voting someone on Day 2. Not to mention that you yourself were involved in RVS joking around at the beginning of the game, also. This just goes to show how little scum hunting you're actually trying to do.

RayFrost showed just as much information, if not more, than I did, and you're letting him go

completely

under the radar. Why are you stuck on me so badly? If my actions were truly that suspicious, then, logically, someone else who made the

same

actions I did should be under just as much suspicion, but I haven't seen RayFrost's name mentioned once. You're not being very consistent.

You're just pushing votes on me because I was a bigger bandwagon than RayFrost was and you think it will be easier to get other people on my case again. Why build a new wagon when you can just use the same one you did yesterday, right?

No i am going back to day 1 because i thought we missed evidence there and guess what i pointed some new out there. Also if you remember i didn't let him go under the rader i questioned him. so your defense using rayfrost is null since i questioned both. The first time i actually voted for you no one was actually on you. I was actually the first person on you. You weren't the bigger wagon ray was your logic is flawed.

And people this is why twisted is scum.

Yeah, because y'all spent most of Day 1 grilling me on my joking around. Clearly you missed something there. What did you point out that was new?

I can't be bothered to go back in the thread and see if you questioned RayFrost or not. I'm not arguing that you didn't. I'm arguing that you're letting him go under the radar

now

. We did the same thing, so we're equally guilty! Why is RayFrost off the hook

now

if I'm still suspicious?

What? I wasn't the bigger wagon? You sure? I was put at L-1 and questioned during most of Day 1. I don't remember RayFrost being put at L-1. So how is my logic flawed again?




It's fun to watch scum squirm.

I grilled both you and frost on your joke so your point is null get that into you first kkk.
Rays off the hook because he started contributing greatly. While in my eyes you haven't.
Your logic is flawed cause i was the one to actually vote you first. I started your bandwagon so you can't blame me for hoping on it.

[jindori]

You know what the funny thing is, jindori? You've got a hang-up on Day 1, RVS joking around and you're using it as your main reason for voting someone on Day 2. Not to mention that you yourself were involved in RVS joking around at the beginning of the game, also. This just goes to show how little scum hunting you're actually trying to do.

RayFrost showed just as much information, if not more, than I did, and you're letting him go

completely

under the radar. Why are you stuck on me so badly? If my actions were truly that suspicious, then, logically, someone else who made the

same

actions I did should be under just as much suspicion, but I haven't seen RayFrost's name mentioned once. You're not being very consistent.

You're just pushing votes on me because I was a bigger bandwagon than RayFrost was and you think it will be easier to get other people on my case again. Why build a new wagon when you can just use the same one you did yesterday, right?

No i am going back to day 1 because i thought we missed evidence there and guess what i pointed some new out there. Also if you remember i didn't let him go under the rader i questioned him. so your defense using rayfrost is null since i questioned both. The first time i actually voted for you no one was actually on you. I was actually the first person on you. You weren't the bigger wagon ray was your logic is flawed.

And people this is why twisted is scum.

Yeah, because y'all spent most of Day 1 grilling me on my joking around. Clearly you missed something there. What did you point out that was new?

I can't be bothered to go back in the thread and see if you questioned RayFrost or not. I'm not arguing that you didn't. I'm arguing that you're letting him go under the radar

now

. We did the same thing, so we're equally guilty! Why is RayFrost off the hook

now

if I'm still suspicious?

What? I wasn't the bigger wagon? You sure? I was put at L-1 and questioned during most of Day 1. I don't remember RayFrost being put at L-1. So how is my logic flawed again?




It's fun to watch scum squirm.

I grilled both you and frost on your joke so your point is null get that into you first kkk.
Rays off the hook because he started contributing greatly. While in my eyes you haven't.
Your logic is flawed cause i was the one to actually vote you first. I started your bandwagon so you can't blame me for hoping on it.

kkk. I briefly reviewed the whole thread, and I just don't see where you grilled RayFrost as much as you grilled me. Please link to any applicable quotes.

Fair enough, you can have the opinion that I haven't contributed greatly. However, I think I'm doing a fine job.

My logic isn't flawed. I'm not saying you're hopping on the bandwagon. I'm saying you're trying to get OTHER PEOPLE to hop on the bandwagon against me. BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM, AND THAT'S WHAT SCUM DO. THEY TRY TO START BANDWAGONS.

Actually town also start bandwagons logic flaw there. Your over emotional state to my comment doesn't seem town to me. Also in the beginning i vote hooped to apply pressure. To other people. You were just the most suspicious so i put most pressure on you. I said rayfrost contributed more but your doing OK. But your scum and your trying to bandwagon me is kinda a scummy thing to do for future refrence.

[jindori]

I voted you in random voting stage which it's ok for town to start bandwagons. Still making your point null.

I was just saying it could be considered scummy it was a tip but your still over reacting to it.

you asked why i put more pressure on you than ray. So i explained my tactic. Hoping from wagon to wagon to put pressure on people and staying on the wagon i think is scummiest at the time.

Sigh charlie i was refering to my first vote no one was on you then. That when you got my fos . Then i went back after i thought i applied enough pressure to other people.

The new thing was pointing out how you used davids vote to slide please try again. How many times do i have to say this till you get that???

At the times of my first vote frost was the biggist wagon. not after when i first voted. I always was suspicious of you. When did i accuse you of starting a bandwagon on me i never did. Was that your intention, scum slip maybe????

[jindori]

No i was qouting what toxic said rayfrost.

[jindori]

You know what the funny thing is, jindori? You've got a hang-up on Day 1, RVS joking around and you're using it as your main reason for voting someone on Day 2. Not to mention that you yourself were involved in RVS joking around at the beginning of the game, also. This just goes to show how little scum hunting you're actually trying to do.

RayFrost showed just as much information, if not more, than I did, and you're letting him go

completely

under the radar. Why are you stuck on me so badly? If my actions were truly that suspicious, then, logically, someone else who made the

same

actions I did should be under just as much suspicion, but I haven't seen RayFrost's name mentioned once. You're not being very consistent.

You're just pushing votes on me because I was a bigger bandwagon than RayFrost was and you think it will be easier to get other people on my case again. Why build a new wagon when you can just use the same one you did yesterday, right?

No i am going back to day 1 because i thought we missed evidence there and guess what i pointed some new out there. Also if you remember i didn't let him go under the rader i questioned him. so your defense using rayfrost is null since i questioned both. The first time i actually voted for you no one was actually on you. I was actually the first person on you. You weren't the bigger wagon ray was your logic is flawed.

And people this is why twisted is scum.

Yeah, because y'all spent most of Day 1 grilling me on my joking around. Clearly you missed something there. What did you point out that was new?

I can't be bothered to go back in the thread and see if you questioned RayFrost or not. I'm not arguing that you didn't. I'm arguing that you're letting him go under the radar

now

. We did the same thing, so we're equally guilty! Why is RayFrost off the hook

now

if I'm still suspicious?

What? I wasn't the bigger wagon? You sure? I was put at L-1 and questioned during most of Day 1. I don't remember RayFrost being put at L-1. So how is my logic flawed again?




It's fun to watch scum squirm.

I grilled both you and frost on your joke so your point is null get that into you first kkk.
Rays off the hook because he started contributing greatly. While in my eyes you haven't.
Your logic is flawed cause i was the one to actually vote you first. I started your bandwagon so you can't blame me for hoping on it.

kkk. I briefly reviewed the whole thread, and I just don't see where you grilled RayFrost as much as you grilled me. Please link to any applicable quotes.

Fair enough, you can have the opinion that I haven't contributed greatly. However, I think I'm doing a fine job.

My logic isn't flawed. I'm not saying you're hopping on the bandwagon. I'm saying you're trying to get OTHER PEOPLE to hop on the bandwagon against me.

BECAUSE YOU'RE SCUM, AND THAT'S WHAT SCUM DO. THEY TRY TO START BANDWAGONS

.

See i was telling him that this bolded comment that was orignally in caps looked scummy

[jindori]

lol your obv misqouting that on purpose it was clearly understanble when i put it in the right context and plus i am trying not to quote wall. Re read the thing it was a reply to that post of course it was reffering to that.

[jindori]

Yep even through english is my first language i missed alot of school cause of certain circumstances.

[jindori]

Yep even through english is my first language i missed alot of school cause of certain circumstances.

Which, of course, means you can't learn English any more, right? Right?

I'm more satisfied with Jin's lynch now. Toxic's definitely come ahead as the better man here.

Actually i'm in a english course right now.

[jindori]

Being chummy with people and defending people you think is town is not a scumtell.

1. Townies defend people they think are town
2. Some players (like myself) actively choose to be "chummy" with players. I'm chummy all the time. With everyone I like.

I have to agree with ray on this point. But seriously i don't know how you could see toxic as town. Look he uses emotional posts to dodge some questions. Seriously I'm convinced his scum.

[jindori]

lol your obv misqouting that on purpose it was clearly understanble when i put it in the right context and plus i am trying not to quote wall. Re read the thing it was a reply to that post of course it was reffering to that.

lol no. I'm not obviously misquoting something on purpose. I guess I can see where you're coming from, but your English made it really hard to understand at first. You can't blame me for that.

Being chummy with people and defending people you think is town is not a scumtell.

1. Townies defend people they think are town
2. Some players (like myself) actively choose to be "chummy" with players. I'm chummy all the time. With everyone I like.

I have to agree with ray on this point. But seriously i don't know how you could see toxic as town. Look he uses emotional posts to dodge some questions. Seriously I'm convinced his scum.

So... I accuse you of dodging questions, and then you accuse me of dodging questions? Didn't we

just

do this? How come every time I say something about you, you turn around say the same thing about me?

I'm not using emotional posts. I don't see how you can figure that. I used caps lock for like one line worth of text. I'd hardly call that emotional, but YMMV, I guess.


I don't know how you could see me as scum. Your case against me only has two or three "major" points, and they're rather poor ones at that.

1. You claim I displayed information only mafia could know during the beginning of the game. You refuse to accept the fact that I was joking. You continue to ignore other players who have made similar actions as myself, and thus should be just as likely considered as scum. You claim to have grilled the other players, but when I ask for references, I never get them.
2. You claim I used David as a tool to get my vote in on Twistedspoon. This is probably the best point you have. I'll admit, I didn't really give a good, thorough explanation for my vote, but I wrote what I meant. Am I not allowed to agree with other players in the game? If I do agree with them, do I have to write my own essay on why I agree with them, instead of just simply saying that I agree?
3. One line of text worth of caps lock is considered emotional and that's a good reason to lynch me. You claim I'm dodging questions, but I have seen no secondary attempt to get them answered. If you would point out any questions you feel I've left unanswered, I'd be glad to answer them for you.


And that's about all you've got. I'm sorry, but those just don't seem like good reasons for lynching someone. If you somehow manage to get me lynched, you're going to be really disappointed when I come back as town-aligned. You'll have absolutely nothing to go on to find the scum because you were too busy focusing on one player. You'll never catch scum who use poor reasoning for choosing to vote for me, because your

whole case

against me is illogical to begin with. You would just end up giving the scum a free lynch. You, in turn, look scummy (more scummy than you already look, that is), and would likely be lynched. If you're town, you would just be giving the scum

2

free lynches. Even if your efforts are sincere, they're poorly executed and counterproductive.

We, as a team, have done absolutely no scum hunting today because you've spent all your time pitching a poor case against the easiest target. I went with it because you made yourself look more guilty with each reply, and since I thought you were scum, that was okay. I thought we were getting somewhere. However, I'm not so sure now, and I feel like this whole thing may have been a

massive

waste of time, and that's not okay. That's not okay at all.

Hate to say it but town response

unvote

But twos thing you said is wrong, this hasn't been a waste of time and ajolin was the easier target. I avoided ajolin because i thought scum would be all over him and I. But I admit to tunneling you after a certain point. But here's something I just thought of what if scum were to split into both sides yet remained third party that way there's a high chance that scum will survive. Putting together scum teams already is a bad thing to do at this stage. Only when one person is voted should we see if they worked together and who their interactions were with.

@ninjaed by deathrowkitty OK tnx for the info.

[jindori]

So can i ask who brought up scum teams in the first place. That may be a good place to start.

[jindori]

Well then if i had a case that doesn't really make it a band wagon on you from your definition (i Think a band wagon is just players voting one player.). It means i actually was putting a case down with reasons. Players who join with no reason are band wagoners. I thought you were scum through gut on the second day. When I found you voted twisted with out displaying a reason of your own.( It's considered scummy to vote someone with out displaying an reason of your own.) I thought yep his def scum and started tunneling from there.

[jindori]

So i went back to check the scum teams thing

Here's rayfrost first to mention scum teams on day 2 (day1 i mentioned vote this person if he roles town etc not putting teams together. Still stupid of me through)
This may because he was tunneling through so it's really a null

Toxic is town. Jindori and David are the mafia. Everybody else is town because of this. GG.

Second person to mention is way more suspicious.

Wow, this entire thing is just tragic. It makes me want to cut out my eyes so I don't have to read it. I have an idea. Scum usually don't vote for scum buddies unless they think the scum buddy will be lynched, when they'll try to bandwagon to "confirm" themselves.

We have two potential scum teams.[/b

]

I'm not picking a side yet,

because obviously shit's going down hardcore and I want to be sure before I vote either way. Any way, the obvious choices are:

Ray/Toxic

and

Jin/David

. There are other possible combos involving the people not in those pairs, as you could've guessed. The point is,

which pair seemed to be more chummy and defensive of each other? Which looked more like a team of scum, and which looked more like two random towns?

I highlighted the bits i think look suspicious and need more attention. Basically i don't see why a town why says this. So from his post his trying to say hey we have two obv scum teams. There is another possibility he didn't mention they are all town colliding with each other. Basically he will pick the side that looks lest scummy at the time. When he mentions the scum teams his trying to divide players into either category and join. He is also asking players which ones are less suspicious so he will join the lynch on that. FOS at ajolin

@ajolin i will not vote you until you respond to this post giving me a reason why it's pro town(with your history of posts and the quick hammer it seems suspicious.).

@toxic I see what you mean now but the thing is Town can hop on things that seem illogical as well look at twisted. Town don't have that much information. It's mafia job to make something seem scummy they have the advantage. Mafia actually win more games than they lose because they have information. So to a town player anything can be information.

[jindori]

From the first couple of pages, first thing that stands out is jindori throwing his vote around like crazy. He votes RayFrost (for a seemingly serious reason) here, makes a worthless statement about it here, votes toxictaipan here for...I don't really get what reason (but this also looks like a serious vote), followed by a random vote. Going from two different serious votes to an announced random vote is practically saying "I don't really believe what I'm saying." On top of that, his next post says he'll stick with his random vote until he finds someone better....but wasn't he already voting 2 different players for serious reasons?

FoS jindori

jindori lining up lynches is awful (check his next post if you don't understand what he's saying in this one). It's especially interesting to note that he suggests lynching himself if Twistedspoon flips scum. With TS having already flipped town, this looks a lot like a meaningless gesture to try to gain some town points, without ever having to face that threat of lynch since TS was town.



It's already been pointed out, but this is waaaaayyyy scummy. Scum quickhammer, anyone?

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I'm currently through page 11. Kind of started losing focus around page 9 due to being tired. I'll probably finish up reading tonight (tomorrow if not) and give some finalized reads and throw a vote down. If my reads seem a bit of a non-sequitur from what I've posted so far (which is not unlikely), it's because I'm normally more of a gut read-type player, but I'll try to give a decent explanation if that ends up happening.

Lol if you If you look my point before that you'll see ray frost confused the hell out me. I thought he scum then thought he town then he appeared scummish again so i decided to keep away from voting those two till i could be more clear on them.

The second thing i didn't intend it to be like that but yeah i guess. the vote line up could be viewed that way.

Also like to bring this up before twilight What the hell was in that message from ajolin to kitty(other one)

[jindori]

@toxic I see what you mean now but the thing is Town can hop on things that seem illogical as well look at twisted. Town don't have that much information. It's mafia job to make something seem scummy they have the advantage. Mafia actually win more games than they lose because they have information. So to a town player anything can be information.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Scum try to start a bandwagon with stuff that

sounds

good, but doesn't

actually

make that much sense. It's a trick.

Yes but look how similer towns goal is to mafias goal. Town have to pull out information to. Town can only get information through posts. So even if that joke was illogical it was the only thing at the time.Say you are town then someone puts a case against you. The case looks very good and well structured. Say you vote the player in responce knowing your town. Then some how that player gets lynched and guess what that player was town. Town players will know nothing about other town. There's no way to know who's who.

So you got to look for things that don't seem right. Mafia can also look town because they have more info. More information = bigger advantage. Also the type of player factors in ray and I like to take gambits (no matter the aliengment which draws attention to us) A diffrence between me and frosty is i vote hop he deals with one player at a time. Some players like to play it safe, Some players are just douches and useless(cworl cough cough pray you never play with him) everything factors in. There no such thing as a gaurenteed scumtell that always works otherwise town will always win. Hell sometimes the towniest player is actually scum.

[jindori]

To further explain #373, I meant that if you think one pair is scum more than the other, go read the thread and look at the way they react to each other. It wasn't "LOL LETS PICK A TEAM BASED ON WHICH ONES ARE NICER AND KILL 'EM", but more "Well, if you really think they're scum, check. Look if they seem to work together and do scummy thing's with each other before deciding they're a team and not just unlucky towns."

ajolin, it's against the rules to communicate with other players outside of this thread unless it's with your scumbuddy during the night phase.

I'm going to hold off on posting until the Mod pops in. But, stop doing that.

And why were you messaging kitty and not other players. Also did anyone else get a message from ajolin.

[jindori]

what the the top half of my post was cut off???

[jindori]

/Vote Ajolin

The first post you did was acceptable and i would of let you off the hook but then you continued on

To further explain #373, I meant that if you think one pair is scum more than the other, go read the thread and look at the way they react to each other. It wasn't "LOL LETS PICK A TEAM BASED ON WHICH ONES ARE NICER AND KILL 'EM",

but more "Well, if you really think they're scum, check. Look if they seem to work together and do scummy thing's with each other before deciding they're a team and not just unlucky towns."

[/i][/b]Doesn't sit too well with this

Wow, this entire thing is just tragic. It makes me want to cut out my eyes so I don't have to read it. I have an idea. Scum usually don't vote for scum buddies unless they think the scum buddy will be lynched, when they'll try to bandwagon to "confirm" themselves. We have two potential scum teams.

I'm not picking a side yet, because obviously shit's going down hardcore and I want to be sure before I vote either way. Any way, the obvious choices are:

Ray/Toxic

and

Jin/David

.

There are other possible combos involving the people not in those pairs, as you could've guessed. The point is, which pair seemed to be more chummy and defensive of each other? Which looked more like a team of scum, and which looked more like two random towns?

From that it was obvious you were going to pick a side to lynch. You mentioned the possibility of other scum teams to cover your ass when they rolled town. Also will you tell us the reason you messaged kitty in the day phase (cause thats what kitty said)

ajolin, it's against the rules to communicate with other players outside of this thread unless it's with your scumbuddy during the night phase.

I'm going to hold off on posting until the Mod pops in. But, stop doing that.

ISO 13

[jindori]

Sorry that was the original post (rewritten a little so it's easier to understand.) Something happened to my other post maybe a glitch or something???

[jindori]

Jin, I already said why in #374.

Oh that was about your message i didn't pick up on that. Scrap the message thing. But other things stand still.

[jindori]

@ajolin
Why did you start trying to pick out scum teams?

Hey, looks like I'm up to the point where I replaced in. Neat-o

Ehhh, not a huge amount has happened after that.

My predecessor had a vote on DX it seems, but I would prefer not to, in part based on his "lynch me, then Ray" post. My main suspicion right now is jindori. I've pointed out a lot of individual posts from him, but what really seals it for me is his posts taken as a whole. It seems like he was just throwing his vote around and hoping it would stick early, followed by parking his vote on easy suspects later while hiding behind others' suspicions.

Unvote: David Xanatos

Given what happened day 1, I'm hesitant to put jindori at L-1, but if I were voting, my vote would be on him.

I'll try to give a full set of reads later today. I have a few pretty solid reads and a few players that are just a mess of null.

Pre-Post Edit: I just realized that VM unvoted jindori, so he's not at L-2 anymore.

Vote: jindori

Deathrow kitty i was literally in a English course at that very second. I was also deciding whether to vote toxic since i listed my own reason in my first post. Still through you remained third party through most the arguing.

[jindori]

My vote for you has nothing to do with your English (your posts are perfectly readable). It has to do with your play this game.

Why do you say it was a cheap shot then saying in a English course when void told me to learn it.

[jindori]

He said he was out of school, to which I replied to the effect that being out of school doesn't

ean

you can't keep on learning English. Saying otherwise would be stupid.

mean

[jindori]

Ray, not to good. This recent fight distracted me a little bit, go over Toxic's and Jin's points. Honestly, Jin still seems a bit funny to me. The hammer setup seems a bit off, with his reasoning being flimsy considering he didn't say all of why he did it. If there's anybody that seems scummy but I'm not sure about right now it would be Voided. His vote is somewhat stable, but his accusations are everywhere.

You shared a view with me and did some good posting. That earns you an

unvote

.

[jindori]

@voided His view on you made me change my mind. I been thinking of similar things about you. I'm going to iso you latter and bring up some points..

[jindori]

you can still question me.

[jindori]

You can still reply to my post.

lol i could but then what is the point to replying to a statement. It's your view on things.

[jindori]

Get me more interested and i will.

[jindori]

Yes the thrill of being L1 this is what i wanted. This is me interested, this is me in the game. Well Their is huge flaw in me and ajolin are scum buddies. It's the fact i voted him the most here and suspected him before anyone actually put pressure on him. I was the actual first person to ever vote ajolin. It doesn't sound reasonable. You also have to look into the reason why ajolin would defend me. If i was his scum buddy he would be more likely lynching me to throw off suspicion. I mean a quick hammer on scum would clear him then he be known for quick hammers meaning he would get more leeway for it.

Okay, I was hesitant to post reads because I'm having trouble getting reads on certain players, but I'm just gonna throw these out there:

Scum

jindori
ajolin

leaning scum

VM

null

leaning town

DX
RayFrost

town

toxictaipan



I could potentially move VM up to null, but I'm going back and forth on him a bit too much and I'm hesitant to do so. I'm not really sure what to say about toxic besides "I haven't found him scummy this game," but if anyone wants a better explanation, I could try to explain that better. ajolin's had a few seemingly out-of-nowhere votes and I guess the rest is gut.

Something interesting I just noticed now though (now = since I've started writing this post) is this post from jindori. It was the whole "If TS is scum, lynch these people" post. Notice the two people he mentions to consider if Twisted is scum:

Because the most likely to be scum from a town point of view would be ajolin or I, if twisted is scum.

It would make perfect sense for him to say this if I'm right about him and ajolin being scum, since he would know TS would flip town.

One thing I want to ask though:
@ajolin
What did you think would happen when you self-voted? Did you think you would instantly die? (and if so, why did you do it?)

I have three scum suspects void,

kitty

and

DX

Notice how kitty and DX have been avoiding each other but Dx still ends up on the town list. I wasn't really suspicious of dx before but i was always suspicious of kitty. Kitty made me change my mind on her. Also kitty is the name of of my ex gf who was cheating on me with three men at the same time, so anyone who has that name has to be scum.

Also in response to rays earlier post about me going to easier targets. I think i went to one of the hardest targets toxic. Then ajolin because that one post seemed scummy. I actually gave him time to respond to my post to put up a defense, before i decided if i should vote him because he was a easy target. Lol hopefully this was enough to anwser all your question. Also hopefully scum rushed onto my wagon like i planned. Anymore question and i be willing to anwser them.

@Voided this should answer your questions too because all you been doing is copying ray questions then going oh yeah me to.

[jindori]

I was half right. I put my money down on a rayfrost, toxic scum team. I actually Didn't think anyone would hammer twisted and I had a good feeling his was town. So the real reason i voted him was so people would unvote him. I didn't mind the suspicion because i wanted to try the slayer gambit (It backfired.). But wow a quick hammering town ruined it all. I also had a gut feeling ray was scum but i could never find any crucial evidence to pin him.

[jindori]

I thought you looked scummish but there were two other scummier players aka ray and toxic so i kinda pushed you aside. But then ajolin really annoyed me and i thought deserved to get voted off I actually didn't care if he was scum or not.