Open 300 - Mafia on Midol (Town Wins!)

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Vote: Crazy

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also please dont use big words, I feel stupid having to google those things

Metempsychosis! You're going to have to learn these words eventually.

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Unvote, vote: DemonHybrid

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Why isn't DH dead yet?

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Yes, that really is your post history. RVS has been gone for a while now and you have yet to comment on a single thing.

Ain't it grand?

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P.S. DH, do you think chkflip is a delicate flower?

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*hops*

Unvote, vote: Sudo

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Why are you posting like that, CES?

Because the game is zzzz

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Because he got modkilled for inactivity last time this was run?

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Someone has less posts than I do?
/catchinguplatertonightafterdinner

Oman hasn't even posted yet.

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More people should get on the Sudowagon.

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@Sudo - Current read on DH/Nacho slot. Go.
@Socio - You too.

Still scummy, to the point where I'll

vote: Nachomamma

, now that it isn't at L-1. Nachomamma's been alright so far, though, so I reserve the right to change my mind on the basis of goodposting from Nacho.

^scum

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The hot new thing is the NSwagon, Thor.

Unvote, vote: Nobody Special

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NS is just at 5 votes. Seems like Oman's not the only one with problems in that regard.

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Unvote, Vote: Sudo

Wooo.

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Why isn't Sudo dead yet?

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ORLY

YARR RLY!

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So... we have six days until deadline. Time to stop wagoning for info and work on the lynch.

Hint: Sudo's a good lynch.

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Why do you hate America?

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325: Huh? Why do you feel more people should get on? I thought you were just wagoning because you had no idea who was scum or was too lazy. Explain plz.

Because Sudo is scum, duh.

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325: Huh? Why do you feel more people should get on? I thought you were just wagoning because you had no idea who was scum or was too lazy. Explain plz.

Because Sudo is scum, duh.

o rly. You only hopped on because there were 5 people already on Sudo. You have 5 more posts than Sudo now. Does that make you scum with him? Why or why not?

YARR RLY! That was the original reason for my vote, yes (although it was actually 4 votes). So? I'm not scum with Sudo since I am town.

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NS is also scum. The DHvote was just a bandwagon vote.

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Because that's how I roll.

CES: I know it's not your habit to go into detail over your votes ect, but I have seen enough of your play to have realized that you are more often then not pretty spot on, If I ask you nice, would you give a bit of content on your thought process, pretty please...

1) I'm a mediocre scumhunter at best.
2) I got the impression that Ythill got most of what I'm seeing, so you should ask him.

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Because that's how I roll.

That was a serious question. If you're just wagoning for the fun of it, then why the heck do you back that up with a "Why is DH not dead yet?"

It was a serious response. I could talk about creating pressure here (I'm not wagonning for the fun of it; I'm wagonning for the wagonning), but for the most part it's simply that I like saying it.

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@CES - I'm confused now. What was your read of DH at the time you voted for him, and how has it changed since then?

Null -> Null.

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I'm not scum with Sudo since I am town.

I can't bring to mind the name of this fallacy, but it's fallaciously false. And wrong, too.

It's neither wrong nor fallacious. It's a simple application of modus tollens to the implication (Sudo and CES are scum together) --> (CES is scum.)

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I think Crazy's catch on CES is pretty good. Yes he does like to wagon people, but I think he got caught trying to express two different motivations and I find that scummy.

Bzzt. Wrong.

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Vote: Nobody Special

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Uh, I thought that would link to my iso. Apparently not. Here's an alternate link (posts #16 and #19).

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It clearly establishes that I say "Why isn't X dead yet?" non-seriously; I don't see how my alignment that game comes into it, given the argument put forward.

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It clearly establishes that I say "Why isn't X dead yet?" non-seriously; I don't see how my alignment that game comes into it, given the argument put forward.

Alignment is an important part of the puzzle. This did make me have a quick poke around in your past games to see you have done this sorta thing as town as well so, eh. I demand you become easier to read. What do you think of Punkin?

1) Explain. As I see it, we're just talking about the implicit meaning of "Why isn't X dead yet?" as used by me. I wouldn't expect use of language to change that much depending on alignment.
2) I actually think that being a little unreadable helps me avoid mislynches.
3) Null.

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P.S. I removed the double spacing.

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I'm going to re-read.

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I don't understand the question.

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Llamafluff, do you stand by the statements made in this post?

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Yeah, I meant the first part.

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List of things:
1) Llamafluff, you're not supposed to ignore me. Please respond to #640 noting the clarification given in #642.
2) Papa Zito, did you actually forget that Fate died or did you simply not know?
3) I'm not convinced re: AGar. He hasn't always looked good, but he put up 2 walls right around the time people started saying he felt off - that's a clear town tell in my book.
4) Ranmaru, why are you voting me?
5) Crazy, there's a time and place for everything.
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If either of them flipped scum I'd shoot CES on policy because we'd have the tempo.

Hey! I was going to let you misspelling "jib" go, but if this is how it's going to be, don't expect any pleasantries from me.
7) DH/Nacho getting nightkilled despite being a claimed townie is noteworthy. Not entirely implausible that this was a mistake on the scum's part, which would point to scum that isn't paying too much attention.

P.S.

- A smilie tell. Come back when you have something of actual substance, please.

Smiley tells rock.

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That post would be fairly mysterious if not for the last word.

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Now, see, I think both judgments you make in that sentence are just plain wrong. I don't think that making that type of comment is a scum tell for me; heck, I was aware I was doing the same thing as Sudo when I made the comment. And that early useful vote is 100% a null tell. Given that I tend to be somewhat unreadable, I have trouble believing you'd feel sufficiently familiar with my playstyle to declare a gut town read on me while misreading me so egregiously elsewhere.

Except there's not a trio on this list that would have missed that. This inspired me to skim Nacho's iso. He was suspicious of Ran, chk, and AGar, all three of whom are scummy on their own. Intriguing.

Don't underestimate people's ability to make mistakes. Scum don't always communicate as well as they should, either.

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Ranmaru, please answer my question: why are you voting for me?

Vote: ranmaru

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Vote: Ranmaru

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Why do you no longer find me suspicious?

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Why isn't ranmaru dead yet?

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PZ didn't know that Fate died.

He did know. He just forgot really quickly.

VCA is bunk.

Ranmaru is scums.

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I don't see the case against Thor at all.

Ranmaru-chkflip-AGar could've totally made the shooting-a-VT screw-up. Ranmaru should burn.

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Ranmaru-chkflip-AGar could've totally made the shooting-a-VT screw-up.

Interesting considering #705. CES argued against that team, saying that the possibility of a mistake undermined my speculation about a VT being killed by those three players because of his suspicions. Now he thinks they were the ones who made the mistake? Sounds like a fork in the bullshit stream.

I don't really look for scum groupings that early and as such I wasn't arguing against that team in any meaningful sense.

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Bullshit. The statement scum aren't paying attention is exclusively hunting for groupings.

Which is probably why I left it at that statement; it was something that I felt should be noted.

And D3 is significantly earlier than D4? What?'

Extra Day + Extra dead scum makes all the difference.

CES: Mafia is three players who made a collective mistake.
Punk: Players A/B/C had a reason to kill the VT.
CES: No, it was a mistake.
CES: Players A/B/C made the mistake.

Yeah, no. You're leaving out what I was responding to, i.e. "Except there's not a trio on this list that would have missed that." Nice try.

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^scum

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Verily.

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Get out.

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Oman has been confirmed.

Unvote, vote: no lynch

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Let's wrap this up.

Vote: chkflip

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Yeah, well, screw you guys.

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We could've still won if we had gone with my plan instead of "hurr hurr, PZ is the doc". I was in favour of killing Cyberbob. Then I would've claimed a track result on Crazy, since he was obviously the tracker, which would've prevented him from looking confirmed by dint of his roleclaim and we'd've had a shot in 3p endgame.

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@Cyberbob, process of elimination, mostly.

[quote="Though the hard part for scum would be me vs. CES in a Tracker claim war. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see myself getting lynched over CES. I think the scum would have had to kill Cyberbob earlier to have a chance.[/quote]
If I claim a guilty on you before you claim, I look way more credible.

Reading the town qt.

Or has CES finally decided to respect my town game...

I've always respected your town game. I just also think you don't know how to catch me as scum.

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We could've still won if we had gone with my plan instead of "hurr hurr, PZ is the doc".

Is it necessary to be insulting? Yes, we were wrong about Zito and a couple of other things. You sheeped 2/3 wof them and might have "saved the game" if you'd bothered to argue the bob kill with reasonable points. We personally caught both the cop and tracker before they claimed.

We were both wrong about plenty of things when it came to PRs - dochunting ain't easy. I'm just annoyed to lose a game this way. Though I do think you two put much stock in oddities, e.g. Plum's sonnet and PZ's absentmindedness, when it came to power role hunting.

I think follow-the-cop helped us midgame by the bye since it lead to a lazy town giving us easy mislynches on chk and ran which kept us in it.

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Pfft. You can't even keep up caps lock for an entire post.

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I don't think a facepalm is appropriate given that it doesn't seem to have been intended as a breadcrumb.