Speaking as the head who asked daSpot the questions about his other reads, I should explain my intentions. His absolutely certainty with FES-scum seemed at odds with the indecision we called him out on earlier. It smelled fabricated, like they had consciously said "make sure to act very sure about this one!"
His answers to the questions were good, though. Apparently, he sounds so sure because he really is sure about YFC and FES, despite his previous waffling. His unprompted switch to YFC, a much less likely wagon, earns him some town points. I was going to call him out on his idea that YFC-scum still looks good with an FES townflip, because after all, a townie in that situation should then think..."So why am I not voting YFC?". The fact that he DID vote YFC, unprompted, is a pleasant surprise.
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Frogito Ergo Sum wrote:
The problem with your analogy is that there wasn't a Democrat option. In terms of theory, I definitely agree with Copper. The actual argument just relies on an assumption (the existence of Democrats) that while usually valid wasn't valid here. Honestly, Copper, your stance on this issue has been a little naive - I don't suddenly stop thinking about stuff like this when I'm scum.
daSpot is the wagon I'm referring to - how was he not an option?
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Gummybear wrote:
UB, you should put your vote back on and just fucking hammer already. This is fucking ridiculous and this game fucking sucks.
While we are late to the ball game on this issue, we must also point out that this is a bad post, particularly coming from someone who has ostensibly had trouble catching up. Surely a slow game is a boon to a player having trouble keeping pace?
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DaSpot wrote:also no political refenda PLEASE. that analogy made my head hurt copper. in any case why did you feel to put A analogy in the FIRST place? FES is scum end of story.
I'm going to indulge myself in a bit of a rant here.
Several times in this thread, we have been accused of being scummy for "too much explanation." (Indeed, UB stated it as the single strongest "scum tell" on our slot.) The implication is that we should post more in the matter of "FES SCUM. UB TOWN. COPPER LEAVE THREAD NOW, KILL MAMMOTH, FEED FAMILY." Our thoughts are more nuanced than that, particularly when encompassing the views of multiple players. Yes, FES is scummy - but saying, "FES is scum end of story" seems more anti-town than anything.
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Unicorn Brethren wrote:
*shakes head at Balam*
Would you have hammered here if Balam had not switched to Gummybear?
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Greymarble wrote:
- At least some of the scum are very, very good players. Our scum group is not exclusively composed of the 'catchup soon' hydra, the 'Spot' hydra, and the 'We can't agree on how to do this entire voting thing' hydra.
I agree with this. I would be surprised to find more than one scum in this group.
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Final Destination wrote:
This is my guess, and yes it doesn't involve that intractable SOB FES, but it makes sense holistically. Gummy starts going down in a flash because not enough scum were pushing the FES wagon, and it was stallin, and Balam town had enough and started the train on Gummy. Greytown follows, I follow, Gummy looks to be going down HARD: Yoscarykce and UB start linking her alignment to other townies (DaSpot in particular)
I agree that Yosarrian's actions do seem oddly like trying to establish connections before a flip. His connection between daSpot and Gummybear ("daSpot's defense of Gummybear is bad...so they're both scum") seems rushed and ill-thought out. I think that trying to apply the same calculus to UB's "NEIGH THEY ARE SCUMBUDDIES" is reaching.
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Greymarble wrote:A few spot towntells:
Saying he wouldn't shut up unless instructed by Dana to do so
Being loud and excited about the game
Asking silly rules questions like "do scum have daytalk?" (town wondering is a bit more likely than scum pretending)
Spotscum in Lovers Multiball (ongoing but his faction's gone) got constantly chewed out by his lover for sinking their team and spent a lot of time profusely apologizing. So I do not see spotscum coming out headfirst and carefree to the degree he has here at all.
He's my strongest townread (and I think Grey's as well) and I remember noticing other things that make him town that I'll go back for if people are actually considering lynching him.
Why did it take you so long to post this?
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Copper, I've seen you around in the past 3 days. Stuff's happening in this thread; now get your collective butts in here and post.
Hello.
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The Gummybear wagon is extremely town driven. If more than one of the Gummybear voters are scum it'll be absurdly surprising, and Balam is basically confirmed town on a Gummybear scumflip.
Profane Confusion: You are currently voting for daSpot, despite listing him as probtown. I assume this is just an oversight because your rapid replacement in; just calling your attention to it.
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Unvote
Allow us a bit of time to try to digest the new developments and get some questions answered. We'll be around tonight and tomorrow to vote if needed. I (the head speaking) will be around; the goal now is to wrangle the full complement and discuss in real time instead of back and forth through the QT (which is too slow for high-activity times like this).
To state my personal thoughts: FES is still scummy but the Gummybear wagon is full of likely townies. Balam's swap seems like an unlikely, risky gambit for Balam and FES-scum. Begrudgingly, I admit that I see the signs of daSpot-town - though again, I question why it took so long for Greymarble to provide them.
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