Newbie 1087: Welcome To The Jungle (Game Over)

[Voidedmafia]

Well, if you actually bothered to look at the quotes from Ray I linked, there's your answer -_-.

And Kitty asked me for elaboration on what I thought of the whole Toxic argument, and I gave it. You also asked (well, told) me to scumhunt, and I just did. If you would like me to give my reads, you can ask a little bit nicer.

And, mind telling me where exactly the momentum for my wagon is coming from? Only vote on me is yours.

I don't want quotes by Ray. I want to hear it from you and in your own words. And keep it concise, please.

Yes, I'm not asking people in a game of mafia to scumhunt, I'm telling them to. Dealwithit.

If three people were voting you right now, it would be already a wagon and not momentum.

1.) Hypocrisy in going after Toxic while not going after Ray for similar reasons, and either continued ignorance of said hypocrisy or complete disregard of attacking Ray until he had other posts to attack Ray on.
2.) Weakly deflecting Ray's accusation about him not voting Toxic by saying he was already voting for Toxic, yet he never actually voted for Toxic until AFTER he endorsed the wagon without voting him. Not to mention that the post that Ray quoted was BEFORE said vote switch.
3.) Going after Twisted much more than Ray before he had switched votes.
4.) Finding seriousness in a loljoke post meant to get reactions. Not a good point, but it's still something I think ought to be noted.
5.) Misusing mudslinging and misrepresentation to attack Toxic.
6.) Trying to discredit Ray's argument against him by calling him a joker and saying he didn't vote him. I'd also like to note that Twisted also uses the fact that Ray didn't vote until after those posts and after Ray got prodded by Twisted.
7.) Brushing off Ray's case against him despite Ray giving some good points that he ought to address.
8.) ignoring Kittymo's #118

Ask a little nicer, and I'll be happy to oblige you on dem reads. You be abrupt like that isn't going to make me any more inclined to do what you want me to do.

I have one vote on me, and one person who is expressing interest in voting me. You can say that's momentum, but it's certainly not momentum going towards my wagon and lynch.

Toxic, Xanatos: It probably does read like a re-hash, but sometimes cases against others just read like that.

[Tasky]

Did you know that bird swarms are kept together only by local interactions? There are no leaders and everything a bird does is to continuosly adapt his route and speed to his close neighbors.

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VOTECOUNT 1.7

toxictaipan (1/5): Twistedspoon
David Xanatos (1/5): KittyMo
Twistedspoon (3/5): RayFrost, Voidedmafia, toxictaipan
RayFrost (1/5): ajolin
ajolin (1/5): jindori
Voidedmafia (1/5): Dekes

Not voting (1): David Xanatos

Deadline is 29.04 at 06:00 CET

[Twistedspoon]

Input by Toxic and Twisted is in order, I think we all agree on that. Also, jindori seems to be slipping under the radar.

c'mon i posted only yesterday

anyways, i still think toxic is scum, even after his last post omgus of me where he doesn't even say why he thinks I'm scummy

the things he said...
I just can't buy the excuse

It makes no sense for town


I'd wager my (game)life that toxic will be flipping scum

I agree with David Xanatos. I don't like how he's dropped off the radar.

gah

I posted just yesterday. How is that dropping off of the radar >_>

balme my timezone if you'd like.

[Voidedmafia]

anyways, i still think toxic is scum, even after his last post omgus of me where he doesn't even say why he thinks I'm scummy

It looked more like he was trying to give one last explanation for why you were wrong in your case against him. Not to mention that he's only impled that you were scum once, and never outright said you were the scum.

the things he said...
I just can't buy the excuse

It makes no sense for town

Me or Toxic?

If you mean Toxic, it makes sense to me for town to say that.

If you mean me, do you have anything to say about my case and later summation of my points against you?

I'd wager my (game)life that toxic will be flipping scum

I'd wager that you'll be flipping scum. Toxic'll flip town.

I agree with David Xanatos. I don't like how he's dropped off the radar.

gah

I posted just yesterday. How is that dropping off of the radar >_>

balme my timezone if you'd like.

I'll balme it indeed <_<

Beside, I just gave IMO a pretty good case against you, and you pretty much were ignoring it by not being here. There's no reason for you to just not show up like that, and you didn't have V/LA, either.

[Twistedspoon]

V/LA for a day would be pointless

but just so you know I'll be V/LA from thursday if you'd like

I'd wager that you'll be flipping scum. Toxic'll flip town.

we'll see

[Twistedspoon]

Beside, I just gave IMO a pretty good case against you, and you pretty much were ignoring it by not being here. There's no reason for you to just not show up like that, and you didn't have V/LA, either.

which post is this? I'll look back at it

but it's hardly my fault that i wasn't here during some parts of yesterday and I've been gone for less than a day, so I'm hardly being unreasonable

[RayFrost]

If you can't see Voided's post from reading the thread, you either need your eyes checked or you aren't reading the thread.

Please perform the necessary actions to rectify either.

[Twistedspoon]

verification I was looking for

If i started answering the wrong post i'd have wasted quite a bit of time

post 190 answer no. 2 correct?

[Twistedspoon]

Also, Twisted's remark about the confusion in #49, then moving to saying it's just messing with us here and THEN suddenly turning around 180^o in #54 just isn't right.

well it is right

the post before I voted had toxic saying 'two wrongs make a right guys'
no they don't toxic
I voted for him then

Twisted himself points out what Ray and Jindori were doing near the end of page one, but acts like that doesn't matter in lieu of what Toxic did, even though Toxic arguably did less than Ray and Jindori as far as looking scum goes. Twisted both points out and disregards his hypocrisy at the same time, not even bothering to admit that he should've put those two on the spot for similar reasons.

toxic mudslinged simple as

and it's hardly hiopcrisy. I never misquoted or made remarks that only scum would know of myself

I can be quite aggressive when I think i have a lead when I'm scumhunting. Some players interpret that as scum flailing or somesuch but that doesn't do them any favours usually. Especially not when I'm town

[Voidedmafia]

Also, Twisted's remark about the confusion in #49, then moving to saying it's just messing with us here and THEN suddenly turning around 180^o in #54 just isn't right.

well it is right

the post before I voted had toxic saying 'two wrongs make a right guys'
no they don't toxic
I voted for him then

And you're a hypocrite for doing it, by not advocating the same accusations (sans the tu quoque argument) against Ray in the process.

Twisted himself points out what Ray and Jindori were doing near the end of page one, but acts like that doesn't matter in lieu of what Toxic did, even though Toxic arguably did less than Ray and Jindori as far as looking scum goes. Twisted both points out and disregards his hypocrisy at the same time, not even bothering to admit that he should've put those two on the spot for similar reasons.

toxic mudslinged simple as

Where?

and it's hardly hiopcrisy. I never misquoted or made remarks that only scum would know of myself

Hypocrisy.

HYPOCRISY!

Spell it right!

Also, that's not what I'm calling you a hypocrite for. Thank you for completely ignoring the reasoning of the main part of my case against you, and for furthering my thinking of you as scum by trying to strawman here.

I can be quite aggressive when I think i have a lead when I'm scumhunting. Some players interpret that as scum flailing or somesuch but that doesn't do them any favours usually. Especially not when I'm town

b'duh?

[Twistedspoon]

And you're a hypocrite for doing it, by not advocating the same accusations (sans the tu quoque argument) against Ray in the process.

that's because my case isn't on ray, but toxic

why should i mention him when trying to justify my toxic vote?

hippocrazy

[Voidedmafia]

*sigh*

Look, if you're going to completely ignore WHY I'm calling you a hypocrite, at least say it out loud.

[toxictaipan]

And you're a hypocrite for doing it, by not advocating the same accusations (sans the tu quoque argument) against Ray in the process.

that's because my case isn't on ray, but toxic

why should i mention him when trying to justify my toxic vote?

hippocrazy

Oh, acting silly are we? You are now confirmed scum.

[KittyMo]

I haven't had much of a chance to post today, so I'm here with a few passing thoughts. Like Twisted, I probably won't be around much Thursday, either. I'll try to get more regular posts in. =)

As your IC, I would like to make sure that newbies are taking into account when reading experienced players the fact that we know how to act pro-town and thus tend to be better at being seen as town as either alignment. This is not to say that experienced players must be looked upon with the utmost scrutiny at all times, but it's just something to keep in mind throughout your career.

Voided, I'm a bit confused how you seemed so confused and unsure of how to act during your first few posts, but have recently changed in style a lot. When did you feel like you gained reigns on this game? How much mafia have you played in the past?

I wanted to know if it you could kill yourself.

I still don't quite understand this. If you wanted to know, why didn't you just ask? Did you think that self-voting would automatically kill you, and if so, why would you actually test that?

You are now confirmed scum.

How confirmed?

[toxictaipan]

You are now confirmed scum.

How confirmed?

He's not. That's my point. I'm trying to show him why his logic on why he thinks I'm scum doesn't really work so well.

[Twistedspoon]

i never said you were confirmed scum

but you seem like it to me

[ajolin]

KittyMo, I just thought it would be more fun. It didn't have an effect on the course of events so much, but it was interesting. I thought that this, being a newbie game, would have more freedoms for the newbies to play around and learn how the game works. I wanted to test the mechanic. Also, I thought I unvoted Ray... Oh well.

UNVOTE

[Voidedmafia]

Kitty: Eh, I guess once you asked for my stuff of Toxic? *shrugs*

also, I've played 6 games, 2 completed (Newbies 10060 and 1065), 4 ongoing. I'm alive in all but one (my mini normal). Of the two completed, one I played all the way through as town, the other I replaced in as scum (Zor was in the replaced-in game, so that pretty much made me lose)

[Twistedspoon]

also, I've played 6 games, 2 completed (Newbies 10060 and 1065), 4 ongoing. I'm alive in all but one (my mini normal). Of the two completed, one I played all the way through as town, the other I replaced in as scum (Zor was in the replaced-in game, so that pretty much made me lose)

well if we're talking about past games;

I've played 2 newbie games before. Both as town. Both lynched d1 (or I would have in 1050 had i not claimed doc)
my first ever game as scum just ended too today. My first ever win in a mafia game and a perfect sweep

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP: That's Newbie 1060, btw, not 10060.

[Twistedspoon]

i thought waiting for 9000 newbie games seemed a while :p

[Voidedmafia]

EBWOP2: And Newbie 1064, not 1065. -_-

Note to self: Don't try to rush these kinds of posts when you need to be getting to school.

[Twistedspoon]

eh i rush my posts all the time

I guess that explains a lot

[jindori]

ohh no i am bieng day vig i am werewolf i am werewolf westside jokes. Anyway from posting so far my doubt's are starting to grow on twisted. This is the way rayfrost normally plays and i am modyfing some of his techniques to use in the other game. So now rays stopped joking around i can tell his townish. Anyway lets put a little more pressure on twisted.

Day kill twisted
Vote Twisted

[Dekes]

Unvote; Vote: jidori

Jindori, answer the questions in #197, please. Additionally, is it pressure you want or are you content with a lynch now that you've put him at L-1? What games of Ray are you referring to seeing you haven't played a game with him so far (unless you're an alt >_>)?

Voidedmafia looks better for now. It looks like a sincere case on Twisted.

Kittymo, time to make some statements. Your game so far has been sort of passive and cautious. And your vote on Xanatos looks like a safely parked vote in the middle of nowhere considering you haven't addressed Xanatos in quite some time. Still happy with that vote?