Mini1147-Royal Mafia at the Round Table (Game Over!)

[neil1113]

Just to clarify about the results I wrote up, everything there is only for flavour. There is no hint to roles or alignments in it. When I said "one shot" I was pretty sure I read he claimed that somewhere during the game, and I was wanting to make it realistic with what he's said. Evidentially I'm wrong. However don't make the mistake, this neither confirms nor denies if he truly is one-shot or not.

Vote Count #1.9
Day One

Me=Weird

(4): Maxous, Oso, Necessary Evil, Farside22

Necessary Evil

(2): Twistedspoon, Juls

Oso

(2): Erratus Apathos, Me=Weird

Twistedspoon

(1): Javert

Quilford

(0):

Prosaurus

(0):

Erratus Apathos

(0):

Javert

(0):

Rhinox

(0):

Maxous

(0):

Juls

(0):

farside22

(0):

No Lynch

(0):

Not Voting

(3): Rhinox, Quilford, Prosaurus

V/LA

(0):

Prodding:

(0):

With

12

alive it takes

7

to lynch.
Deadline for Day One is 12:00am EST on 4/20/2011

[farside22]

MW: The only time you mention klaz was to ask me about my read and to answer questions. Then the post before you vote for him you said you would read him then voted him the next post.
Before EA you called Oso town that was not at the very beginning.

[Twistedspoon]

Take this up again tomorrow Javert, after a night to at least give TS a chance to prove his claim.

what do you mean prove? say, what if i was roleblocked etc.

and Twistedspoon has spent his last several posts (as well as posts before I used my shot) to try to undermine me as opposed to hunting scum.

how?
when have i tried to undermine you? I asked where you'd gone etc.

[Juls]

what do you mean prove? say, what if i was roleblocked etc.

I don't like that you are already making excuses.

I also don't like that Prosaurus is so reluctant to believe the mason claim. I am, however, still deciding if it is inherently scummy to not believe the claim or not.

@EA, I don't think Oso is gonna swing today. I think we should re-evaluate him tomorrow. Who is your second choice?

I'm considering re-placing my vote on Me=Weird but will give Quilford a day to catch up. I am also considering the merits of N/L. Since I have waffled a bit on my Me=Weird read (mainly because the wagon gained so much steam when no one was interested in lynching him until after the ender/twistedspoon/javert saga ran it's course).

@NE, I am not concerned with your V/LA. It has more to do with the fact that you have a whopping 15 posts. Of those 15, one was your intro post, another was saying you were getting caught up, another was your V/LA post, and finally a post saying Javert was one-shot vig. So that REALLY brings your total of any substance to 11. To put it in perspective, here are the other post counts:
ender (31) - been dead for a while
EA(41)
farside (52)
Javert (37)
Juls (42)
Klaz (25)
Max (36)
M=W (26)
Oso (60)
Pro (42)
Rhinox (37)
TS (66)

Hell, even the mod has 17. The only person who doesn't have TWICE as many posts as you is M=W who is the leading wagon and Klazham (who I obviously am not even looking at).

[Me=Weird]

MW: The only time you mention klaz was to ask me about my read and to answer questions. Then the post before you vote for him you said you would read him then voted him the next post.
Before EA you called Oso town that was not at the very beginning.

Okay, so maybe I didn't mention him much, but I don't put everything I think about the game in my posts. I did feel he was scum, just not enough to write about before then.
Where did I call Oso town that was not at the beginning?

[farside22]

Hmm I thought I saw it later in the game, but it looks like the last time you had a town read prior to below was a week ago.
However this post below reads as wishy washy. The I'm seeing it, but not voting. IE: I see this as telling as your signaling a willingness to vote but don't. And you never made a case on your own in regards to Oso

Maxous, can you please consolidate why you think I'm scum into one post. Thanks.
I can see Oso as an alternate lynch, seeing as how EA made a good point about believing the claims and still suspecting them.
Also, 244 by klazam, he accuses me and PS of role-fishing for mentioning the "I'll find out tonight", but, completely ignores 179, by oso, which was pointing out ender's softclaim, which could also be role-fishing. This could definitely be scum together, with klazam not wanting to spread suspicion on his partner.

[Erratus Apathos]

@EA, I don't think Oso is gonna swing today. I think we should re-evaluate him tomorrow. Who is your second choice?

Twistedspoon is. I'd also live with a lynch of Rhinox, farside, or Maxous even though those are null reads atm. I definitely don't want to lynch MeWeird, NEvil, Prosaurus, Javert, Quilford or you.

[Prosaurus]

Why don't you want to lynch those people?
Also: VOTE: Erratus Apathos because you're my second scummiest suspect due to the "THEY ARE SCUM FOR SURE EVERYONE VOTE THEM!" etc.

[Erratus Apathos]

Because I have solid town reads on all of them.

If you don't like my usage of caps lock, I will call Oso scum in regular case just for you. Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Oso is scum for sure everyone vote him! Is that better?

[Twistedspoon]

I'm getting the feeling that EA doesn't have Oso as a town read =|

[Prosaurus]

It's not better.
How exactly are you so sure he's scum? Same for the others you think are scum.

[Necessary Evil]

I find your lack of push on anyone not already mentioned disturbing and would like a full view on everyone in the game from you.

No. A run down on everybody in the game does not help the town. I am not telling the scum who the safe night kills are. I'm going to mention players and issues that are important to discuss and that I have something to say about.

Why even bring up the bold part if I'm just lower on your scum list? You're suggesting the possibility of my lynch without any commitment. You're looking for people to respond with support for my lynch.

Can you rephrase this, because I'm having a hard time seeing what you're saying.

You brought up the possibility of my lynch to see if there was any support for it. If it was clear that I was lynchable you could vote me with less risk. At least that's what I think you were doing there. I don't see another reason why you would mention other people's opinion on me.

See how you're overreacting here? That shows that you're confrontational in your defense most of the time. Maxous has been on you for quite a while and, despite your best efforts, you can't shake him. The way you posted indicates that you know Maxous is town and want to please him so he will vote somebody else.

I'm not overreacting. I am saying what your post made me think. Is there something wrong with being confrontational? Despite that Maxous has been tunneling on me, I do think he's town, and of course I want him to move his vote.

There is nothing wrong with being confrontational. There is something wrong with being confrontational and aggressive most of the time and then being conciliatory towards somebody who is stuck on you. I think you'd be just as confrontational towards Maxous if you were town.

My strongest scum read is on TS

VOTE: Me=Weird

??

If you're not going to bother to read the explanation I gave in that post then I'm not going to bother explaining it again.

@NE, I am not concerned with your V/LA. It has more to do with the fact that you have a whopping 15 posts. Of those 15, one was your intro post, another was saying you were getting caught up, another was your V/LA post, and finally a post saying Javert was one-shot vig. So that REALLY brings your total of any substance to 11. To put it in perspective, here are the other post counts:
ender (31) - been dead for a while
EA(41)
farside (52)
Javert (37)
Juls (42)
Klaz (25)
Max (36)
M=W (26)
Oso (60)
Pro (42)
Rhinox (37)
TS (66)

Hell, even the mod has 17. The only person who doesn't have TWICE as many posts as you is M=W who is the leading wagon and Klazham (who I obviously am not even looking at).

Post counts are a terrible way to measure contribution. Would you be thinking any differently if I had posted lots of smaller posts instead? I've contributed my fair share of

content

and I will stand by that. If you're stuck on post counts that badly then there is nothing else to talk about.

[Maxous]

what do you mean prove? say, what if i was roleblocked etc.

I don't like that you are already making excuses.

It's quite a plausible concern..

I also don't like that Prosaurus is so reluctant to believe the mason claim. I am, however, still deciding if it is inherently scummy to not believe the claim or not.

You think Prosaurus might be a mafia pushing for your lynch after a mason claim?
On Day 1.

About Quilford..he can catch up during the night period if needs be. He's certainly not going to be lynched today either way.

Why don't you want to lynch those people?
Also: VOTE: Erratus Apathos because you're my second scummiest suspect due to the "THEY ARE SCUM FOR SURE EVERYONE VOTE THEM!" etc.

Deadline is tomorrow and there is'nt a hope of Erratus being lynched.

indeed, with my theory of the one-shot theme, it would be rather risky for scum to claim masons in a game which we don't know masons exist

In fact, I've never had masons in any other mini normal game that I've been

I believe the claim; like Juls says, It's provavble

It's only provable by a flip.

Post counts are a terrible way to measure contribution.

Exactly

This is not. This is scum looking for some chink in the attack rather than defending or explaining the point being made against them.

He has tried to explain his thoughts from what I've seen.

[Oso]

About Quilford..he can catch up during the night period if needs be. He's certainly not going to be lynched today either way.

But his participation would be nice before night though.

@MOD: Day or two deadline extension, maybe? Seeing as how Quilford replaced in so close to deadline

[farside22]

EA: How or what defines for you MW as town besides that one post? I say lack of scum hunting and BWing is more likely to come from scum.

[Quilford]

Okay, so. Since we're so close to deadline, I've done analysis on only the people who currently have votes on them.

I'm going to strike off Oso and Twistedspoon from that list, Oso because I'm getting a really townie read off his posts, and Twistedspoon because I believe his one-shot cop claim.

So I did a little vote count analysis on the two remaining, M=W and NE.

Me=Weird

: 3rd VOTE: (EA) - 4th (ender) - 1st (NE) - 3rd (Klazam)
ender:
'"I'll find out what he is tonight." Wait, what's this? You're going to kill him?'
Scum would absolutely never say "I'll find out what he is tonight".
Me=Weird ignores the possibility of ender having an investigative role.

Oso:
Doesn't give any reasoning for voting Oso.

Necessary Evil

: 3rd VOTE: (Oso) - 5th (ender) - 2nd (Ts) - 3rd (M=W)
ender:
EA brings up good points on his poor case in the following link.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2934764


I find it notable that they're actually voting for the other at one stage.

I'm going to therefore
VOTE: Me=Weird

[Juls]

Im gonna go ahead and put me=weird at L-1

Unvote, Vote: Me=Weird (L-1)

Time to claim.

[Erratus Apathos]

Seriously, we're making MW claim? This town is headdesk city.

How exactly are you so sure he's scum? Same for the others you think are scum.

Oso is scum for:
believing Ender and TS's claims for no real reason
pushing a no-lynch for crap reasons

and then not having a town reaction to my attack on him

EA: How or what defines for you MW as town besides that one post? I say lack of scum hunting and BWing is more likely to come from scum.

It's mostly the reactions I quoted above. Although voting Oso also helps

What lack of scumhunting? Looking at MW's iso, I see plenty of scumhunting.

[neil1113]

About Quilford..he can catch up during the night period if needs be. He's certainly not going to be lynched today either way.

But his participation would be nice before night though.

@MOD: Day or two deadline extension, maybe? Seeing as how Quilford replaced in so close to deadline

Like Max pointed out, Quilford can catch up during the night period. Seeing as he is just one of 12 actively involved in this game. A deadline extension doesn't seem necessary. Sorry. Speaking of which, a reminder:

It is 0 days, 22 hours, 09 minutes, 21 seconds until Deadline.

[Prosaurus]

Seriously, we're making MW claim? This town is headdesk city.

How exactly are you so sure he's scum? Same for the others you think are scum.

Oso is scum for:
believing Ender and TS's claims for no real reason
pushing a no-lynch for crap reasons

and then not having a town reaction to my attack on him

EA: How or what defines for you MW as town besides that one post? I say lack of scum hunting and BWing is more likely to come from scum.

It's mostly the reactions I quoted above. Although voting Oso also helps

What lack of scumhunting? Looking at MW's iso, I see plenty of scumhunting.

And the other two people?

[Twistedspoon]

the speed of the M=W wagon is slightly disturbing,but understandable considering the deadline being so close

anyways, M=W had better claim before the deadline

should it look like he isn't going to do we think a M=W lynch is better than no, lynch?

[Erratus Apathos]

And the other two people?

wut

Seeing the deadline, I realize the only plausible lynch today is MW. I still think he's town, but it's better than no lynch at all, so

au revoir

.
UNVOTE: Oso
VOTE: Me=Weird

in before the townflip

[Twistedspoon]

You didn't let him claim >_>
he could have been an important PR

[Erratus Apathos]

Well then now he's a dead important PR. Let that be a lesson about waiting until the deadline to get shit done. (Admittedly I'm just as guilty as anyone else.) Tomorrow we don't dick around waiting to see if Javert's bi-weekly post contains his daykill. He vigs on our terms, we don't lynch on his.

[Twistedspoon]

I still think you should have let him claim =|