Newbie 1076: Day Three

[Olinea]

@OLI
So you pretty much have the game figured out? What is stopping you from voting?

Excuse me?

When did I ever claim to have the game figured out?

Also, thanks for trying to goad me into rushing a LyLo vote. Keep it up.

[Otolia]

Remember Oli that we (Glass, you and me) seemed to have the same scumteam. I don't think that is a coincidence.

[Glass]

Asking a question = goading?

When did I ever claim to have the game figured out?

I can't see myself voting for Otolia and Glass is, yeah, pretty damn Town.

So what other options are there oli?

[Olinea]

Asking a question = goading?

When did I ever claim to have the game figured out?

I can't see myself voting for Otolia and Glass is, yeah, pretty damn Town.

So what other options are there oli?

My reads aren't settled, you know. I'm not rushing a LyLo vote... I've been on the receiving end of a rushed LyLo vote and I'd rather it not end that way again. I see it as goading since you're misinterpreting my statement of who my current scumpicks are and making it seem like I've asserted it as fact and not liable to change.

I'll try to get a re-read in after a bit of homework (urgh, homework on a Friday night... yay for lollege). We'll see.

[MrBump]

I already covered the reason why I hammered silavor. To get knowledge. Honestly silavor was not that pro-town to justify me saving his ass when he wasn't posting enough nor showed willingness to make up for the flaking of his replacee. I proposed the lynch to see if Mr. Bump would jump to silavor immediately. He did, and that showed a great opportunism. In fact, I am pretty he is scum now, which was scummy.

And the slip was :

No. The point is, someone who plays scummy is generally scum.

I don't know if I should consider what bump said to be backpedaling or not since his post was so insane. idk wtf oto is talking about though.

Are you guuys

reeeaaally

missing it THAT HARD?

If someone is scummy.
They are usually scum.
That is how you catch scum in Mafia.
If you say "I SUCKED AS TOWN THIS GAME", does that clear you as town? No, you sucked as town because you're scummy, and

being scummy generally means you're scum.

What, do we just lynch the most ProTown players there are or something? NO. God dammit people, this is LYLO, we don't need to blindly misrep.

Anywho, Otolia's reason for hammering Silavor is quite funny. He explains off basically every one of his scummy actions (if my memory serves me correctly) as some sort of gambit, and he wanted to see if I'd hammer. I only said like, 384897385 times I'd be willing to kill either him or Silavor.

I'm really going to have to run/fly to dat Engrand now,

so I'll be back on Tuesday!

I'll try to get a post or two in.

[Otolia]

I really like the fallacy you are building. Sucking as town means sucking as town. Nothing else. Don't try to convolute around the sentence in order to get something out of it, that's rather pointless.

Furthermore notice how Mr. Bump use the formulation "clear you as town". Usually the suspects are the scum they are the one who need to be cleared. Someone else find the formulation strange ?

[Olinea]

Are you guuys

reeeaaally

missing it THAT HARD?

If someone is scummy.
They are usually scum.
That is how you catch scum in Mafia.
If you say "I SUCKED AS TOWN THIS GAME", does that clear you as town? No, you sucked as town because you're scummy, and

being scummy generally means you're scum.

What, do we just lynch the most ProTown players there are or something? NO. God dammit people, this is LYLO, we don't need to blindly misrep.

you sucked as town because you're scummy

you sucked as town

sucked as town

town

being scummy generally means you're scum.

generally means you're scum.

means you're scum.

you're scum.

You... keep making conflicting statements. And you're misrepping Otolia when you say Otolia's "I sucked as Town" and proceed to back it up with that, you keep saying Otolia played a bad game as Town but is actually scum. So, which is it?

[Glass]

I think that what bump is saying is that "sucking at being town" insinuates that he is mafia trying to be town, which is just... no.

[Hoppster]

@ Glass: Why did you only ask Olinea why he hasn't voted and not Otolia?

Funny Otolia's fact, we are 3 to think that a Mr. Bump/Hoppster scumteam is the most likely. And those two are on me.

Remember Oli that we (Glass, you and me) seemed to have the same scumteam. I don't think that is a coincidence.

[Glass]

...wtf? Those quotes have nothing to do with anything hoppster.

I didn't ask oto because he didn't indicate that he thought that me and oli were town?

[Hoppster]

...wtf? Those quotes have nothing to do with anything hoppster.

I didn't ask oto because he didn't indicate that he thought that me and oli were town?

It's a pretty obvious implication. >>

"LOOK HERE I THINK THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE SCUM!"
"HEY, HEY, I THINK THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE THE SCUMTEAM!"

Obvious implication being everybody else is town. Not to mention how he is buddying with the other two people (with a less obvious implication of them likely being town-reads).


If you're not allowing obvious implications, then in your quote of Olinea he didn't explicitly say he thought Otolia was town.

Repeatedly harking on about a pair you think to be the scum-team is not significantly further from an "I'VE FIGURED THE GAME OUT!" attitude than "Oh, I'm probably not going to vote this dude and this other guy is town".

[Otolia]

Funny though that we are three to have the same reads. If I thought I had the game figured out, I would already voted. You are making a poor case. Remember that we are in LyLo, so yes, our job as town is to find out who are in the scum team.

[Glass]

No it isn't hoppster. Oto said that he thinks that hopp-bump is the most likely scumteam. That in no way means that he has a town read on me and oli (although I can sort of tell he has a town read on me, oli I am not sure of). And the second quote you posted oto actually said after I questioned oli and I feel that it is oto questioning his reads since it is strange that all 3 of us would have the same scumteam in mind.

[MrBump]

Just popping in for a quick post. I'm trying to say, when someone is scummy, they are generally scum. It's not rocket science >_>
I think Otolia's Maf, and his constant "I sucked as town this game" excuses are rather horrible.

I may try to post a bigger thing later, have to go now

[Olinea]

Glass, if your scumreads are Hoppster/Bump, why did you choose me before them in the massclaim order?

[Nachomamma8]

No prods are needed. Better activity is suggested.
Don't think you all need a votecount, though.

[Glass]

@Oli
Who said my scumreads were bump-hopp when I wanted you to claim?

Now a question of my own.
Your reads in oto are rather odd, you did not ICE as I recall (saying that he was not playing to his town meta, etc) and I may have misinterpreted it but you seemed to support the idea that if oto did not have the entire pm that ICE sent him he was scum. So why do you have such a strong town read on him?

[Glass]

really tempted to just vote hoppster to actually get activity.

[Otolia]

Spoiler: Mr. Bump's votes :

#1 : Vote

Common Man

Glass
#15&20 : Vote Otolia & Confirmvote Otolia.
#28 : Hammer

Sakako

#44 : Vote

Kagetora

#55&57 : Vote Otolia & Confirmvote Otolia.
#58 : Vote

Kagetora

.
#75 : Vote Otolia.
#79 : Vote

Silavor

after propose to hammer him.

#14 contain this pearl :

[...] Glass is not Common Man. Glass is as town as a very town thing.

[...]

Darkie

is town.
Olinea is town.
Glass is TOWN.

And everybody else must be scum because the game's unbalanced. wut

Did he just say he is scum with Hoppster ?

Everyone except me and

CM

Glass (early wagon with unvoted as soon as the replacement come in) are either dead AND confirmed town. What a great scumhunter ... He did vote for me numerous time but never pushed hard enough for me to get lynched so questions for everyone : Why am I still alive if I am scum and same if I am town ? Would you have voted for me during the vote (and you decide to go for someone else) ? If yes why ?[/spoiler]

I can't even do one for Hoppster because the only thing he did was to vote for me last day.

[Olinea]

@Oli
Who said my scumreads were bump-hopp when I wanted you to claim?

Now a question of my own.
Your reads in oto are rather odd, you did not ICE as I recall (saying that he was not playing to his town meta, etc) and I may have misinterpreted it but you seemed to support the idea that if oto did not have the entire pm that ICE sent him he was scum. So why do you have such a strong town read on him?

~If your scumreads were Bump-Hopp, you would have selected one of them to go first in the massclaim order. The earlier scum claims, the more limited they are in their claiming possibilities due to the possibility of PRs being pushed to the back of the queue.

~Because Otolia

does

have the entire PM, and it matches GreyICE's writing style

way

more than Otolia's, in my opinion. I can go read GreyICE scum meta (Otolia, can you link me that game where GreyICE replaced for you?) because I'm not sure I've ever seen it, but from Town games of his I

have

observed (Mayo Clinic, Lovers) his play in this game seemed

much

less active and more "ho hum, I caught scum, you can sheep me... or not, that's chill". A lot of evidence pointing towards my Otolia Town read is that PM -- GreyICE theoretically

could

have faked it but I'm much more inclined to think he did write the entire thing. And, as I explained before, (and seconded by Otolia) I think his unpredictable behavior was because he didn't want to end up in LyLo. Now that he's here and that's not changing, you'll notice he's much calmer and analytical -- take a look at the post above me, for example.

[Glass]

If your scumreads were Bump-Hopp, you would have selected one of them to go first in the massclaim order.

Indeed. You answered your own question.

[Otolia]

You will find my finished game in my poor wiki page.

[Hoppster]

Just a quick post which I may elaborate on tomorrow morning if I have time:

I would like everybody to say who they would have killed each night so far if they were scum, and why.

Don't take into account a scumbuddy: assume all other players are town.

Your N1 kill can only be from people alive at the end of D1, N2 from people alive at the end of D2, etc.

[Otolia]

Yeah why not ? Let's add more WIFOM to the game.

You and Mr. Bump go first.

[Glass]

Too much info i would need to process for absolutely no benefit. If me saying who I would have killed as scum will actually help in some way I might consider it, but it seems rather pointless to me.