Mini 1170: Nowhereville Mafia '11- Over!

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Confirm

1. Town
2. Depends on how much school work I have but usually once every day
3. EST
4. Don't like them - prefer logic
5. No

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RV: SleepyKrew

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Necessary Evil how are pointing out contradictions making something out of nothing?

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vote: Elfen

FoS: Necessary and Kalofer

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Clarification: I [was / am still] using the same reasoning.

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@quinnster

I disagree. Town reads are important at any time.

@kalofer

Can you explain to me how contradictions "aren't a big deal?"

@elfin

I clarified my reasoning - which you never refuted. Seems like you're strawmanning.

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Well, like I said, it wasw mostly the band wagoning I hated it about it >_> thats when I hate it >_> cause it goes out of hand and there is really no suspicion, but here is different. But I have been forcing my self to change my ways D: even though a part of me hates it

Assuming 3 scums (as is normal for mini's these days) they can get the 3/7 it takes to lynch, that means you need 4 townies to "get out of control" in order to lynch. But, you also have to get a bandwagon on guy to l-1 without people noticing, which is a very very difficult. I just don't see (and have never seen) how an rvs wagon could go to a lynch or get out of control.

Well one, I did use Random.org ._.

Why do you have to justify your vote? And why are RVS bandwagons bad. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that the reason for RVS? I know this most likely belongs in theory discussion but I want to know why you are anti-rvs. Tip: "I'm anti-rvs" is not a valid reason .

Well, like i said, I am trying to to change my ways, which I know are bad ways, but some things don't die easly >_> and the reason I justified my answer was cause of this

Elfen, if you're anti-bw from RVS, then why'd you vote the same as my RVS? Stop contradicting yourself

But the reason I really don't like RVS casue it leads to a huge fight, and blah blah, it also is usually*when I play) a senseless bw. But Since this place is different, I am trying to convey my thoughts some :/ and when i played it was like a 4/20 ratio of scum to town. Its just a pingto me when there is only a week to discuss and some things don't go past it and people vote for you cause of something stupid >_>. but meh

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Clarification: I [was / am still] using the same reasoning.

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@elfin

1.

At least tell us why(in YOUR words) that I am scum. Also, do you suspect any1 else?? you really havent said much, that was what I was pointing out, your lack of reasoning and posting

vote: Elfen

FoS: Necessary and Kalofer

2.

Thats not the point as some people have stated, sure

i understand your vote, but at least but some reasoning into it.

This doesn't make sense to me.

@sleepykrew

1.

You yourself never posted the logic

I

clarified

my reasoning - which you never refuted.

Clarification

: I [was / am still] using the same reasoning.

2. I'm fine with my vote for now - I don't buy the newb card. Thanks for the suggestion though.

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@supreme overlord

1. Avoiding responsibility

*Goes to random.org* *gets the number 12*
Randomvote:Espeonage

Well. I really don't like the RVS stage much, so Imma lay low till things start to pick up and all, past RVS

2. Contradiction #1

Well, one, when I played mafia games, the day was a week, so we really didn't have time for a RVS, but we still did. And it was always bad, cause it was sinless band wagoning. But this site is diff with the Day time.. And every time, I never voted, Cause I really did not like to be in a category with

pointless bandwagoners.

Thats why I am against it. I know what it is for, I know the concept of it, I know its good, but it can still be bad. But since here it is more than 1 week, I need to change my view a little since I have more time to speculate things. :/ sorry if that was confusing

But the reason

I really don't like RVS

casue it leads to a huge fight

, and blah blah, it also is usually*when I play) a senseless bw

I hate the idea of lynching some one(if the RVS is still on)

and it always end up town and the person always seems town but other people some how think they are suspicious, I always think they are town. But some reason they think the person is scum :/ That is why, on most of the games,

I don't vote on the first day, it is way easer to find scum on the second day, looking back on what people have said and all.

That is my style, waiting for information to pass by then go at it, not try to strive for it when I know I won't able to get it.

I dont give a flying shit if other people vote for other people

, that is fine by me, it gives me a chance to see why and what was the consequences in the action they had. I just don't want people to say that I am scum cause I don't vote and all. But for some reason they do.

Elfen, if you're anti-bw from RVS, then why'd you vote the same as my RVS

There you go contradicting yourself again. I'm anti-RVS but I random voted anyway. I'm anti-bw but I went on one anyway.

Don't have three, I so sorry .

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@sleepykrew
I apologize for not paraphrasing things that have already been said sooner.

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@elfin

To me, he has been trying to get me voted off when those things he pointed out has been somewhat verified

So... I'm scum for voting you when your contradictions have (self admittedly) been verified? What?

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> Not buying any of the newb-town cards being used.
> Don't really see the difference between Kool and Elfen, they're both being scummy.
> That being said, doesn't look like an Elfen lynch is going anywhere so -

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vote: TheKool

> For the record Elfen, you're really hard to understand.

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I don't understand any of Espeonage's theories/reads

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@supreme overlord

elfen/kool

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@earthworm

I guess I'm sorry the logic made sense...?

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@sleepykrew

If you acknowledge his questionable actions, why do you disagree with the argument on Quinn [excluding the replacement logic - which I also don't buy]?

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I agree with LordChronos, people are making too big a deal out of the self-hammer call.

@CooLskins
Is there a reason why you're asking charter for the impact of bad mafia theory if you're calling Espeonage out on the same thing? (Disregarding alignment and setting up lynches).

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@charter
Can you explain to me how setting up lynches in order to buy town points seems more misinformed than scummy?

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@kalofer
Why are you blatantly acting scummy?

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@charter

Brilliant, we have tomorrow's lynch. Panzer, i don't care if you're town or not (If Earworm is you probably aren't) that was out of order. You ask for a claim instead. And you are only allowed to do that if they are at L-1 and you aren't on the wagon already.

This isn't setting up lynches?

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@charter
What other incentive is there if not to seem pro-town...?
But you're missing the point - how is setting up lynches without regards for alignment not scummy?

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@charter
Missed 479. I'm not making a big deal out of it. 517 provides no substantive empirics to show correlation so I'm going to ignore that.

@elfen
When have I made a big deal out of nothing?

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^ ... What?

@kalofer
How has SK bread crumbed vig?

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Can someone explain to me how directing power roles is scummy? They don't have to listen if they don't want to.

inb4 "LOL WOW ITS SO OBVIOUS WHY DONT U GET IT"

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^ So you are unable to contribute anything other than the obvious?

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Does it save me from when I decide to check mafiascum after doing homework - in specific regards to tonight of course.

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It's interesting that both of my D1 fos'es are voting me right now.

vote: The Kool

For contradictions and generally scummy behavior over the last 2 days.

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I agree with LordChronos. Jailing SK and having a kill go through doesn't clear him/indicate he's mafia at all...

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Then why would you get confused?

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Seems like it

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The lurker argument is boring me

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I'm a VT

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GJ scum. My play was terrible. You're welcome for the distraction/charter kill though.