Wizards at the Sorcerers' Den - Endgame

[Pine]

^Goodposting.

[gandalf5166]

Seriously, SGR is right. Not enough joking here.

UNVOTE x13, VOTE: Pine

Why so Serious?

Vote: WrathChild

For trying to dissuade votes based on actions and instead push for RVS. The faster RVS dies the better.

Actually, I've caught far more scum in RVS than out. And generally, I frown upon those who try to end it early. They tend to flip scum.

[LimMePls]

^^

Anecdotal at best.

[LimMePls]

For every instance you can provide me of catching scum during RVS I'm sure I can produce at least one of a mislynch being driven out of RVS. The faster we're arguing over game relevant posts the better.

[Pine]

This is the logical fallacy that Gandalf is guilty of

PE: Oh hey! The creator/founder/whatever of that fallacy is in this game!

[gandalf5166]

No, really, most games, when I catch scum I find them in the first few pages. You yourself have personal experience with my RVS skillz.

And Pine, actually no. I'm simply saying that scum can be found in RVS, and that I've seen scum try to push their way out of it. This is not coin flip. This is an occurrence that is connected to another occurrence, and I am thus saying that since one occurred, it is likely that the other is also occurring. i.e. LMP is scum trying to push out of RVS. That is the DEFINITION of logic.

[inHimshallibe]

gandalf are you voting for LMP?

[LimMePls]

No, really, most games, when I catch scum I find them in the first few pages. You yourself have personal experience with my RVS skillz.

I'm not insinuating that RVS cannot lead to scum lynches, I'm saying that RVS is less optimal than non-RVS, and if the game is moving from RVS -> Non-RVS, attempts to halt that progress are anti-town. Also, once again your argument is anecdotal.

[inHimshallibe]

And, ohaiguys.

Pine and WC = town.

One of ABR, Mana_Ku, Chesskid = scum. Tacking onto Pine.

One of Mana_Ku, Chesskid = scum. Piggybacking Katy.

Does that read like a bus?

[inHimshallibe]

Ooh, missed gandalf in that Mana_Ku, CHESSKID group.

[Pine]

No, really, most games, when I catch scum I find them in the first few pages. You yourself have personal experience with my RVS skillz.

I'm not insinuating that RVS cannot lead to scum lynches, I'm saying that RVS is less optimal than non-RVS, and if the game is moving from RVS -> Non-RVS, attempts to halt that progress are anti-town. Also, once again your argument is anecdotal.

This articulates my feelings on the matter quite well. RVS can be useful in lieu of real discussion, but it pales in comparison to matters of substance. And it seems to me that we've already got some things to go on, like Icey's bizarre claim.

PE: InHim's post is quality, though I'm not quite sold on everything it says. Discuss.

[Zdenek]

Vote Gandalf

RVS-skillz my ass, more like RVS-sheeping-Jester-MoI-skillz.

[inHimshallibe]

Quality, baby!

[inHimshallibe]

Vote Gandalf

RVS-skillz my ass, more like RVS-sheeping-Jester-MoI-skillz.

This is an intriguing post.

[inHimshallibe]

I won't do that to CHESSKID this early.

vote: Mana_Ku

[chesskid3]

don't do that either

[SGRaaize]

Hey Gandalf, where are your breadcrumbs, bro?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have a simple question, does everyone have at least one damaging ability?

My role PM suggests everyone does.

[SGRaaize]

Also, I also gotta reveal my reads, cause all the cool kids are or will be doing it.

Town-read on WC and Icey.
Scum-read on LynchMePlz
Way-Too-Serious-Read on Pine

[Albert B. Rampage]

Only answer if yes, obviously.

[SGRaaize]

I have a simple question, does everyone have at least one damaging ability?

My role PM suggests everyone does.

Please, let's not start discussing powers and shit on D1. Wait at least until N1 and lets watch the world burn.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, I also gotta reveal my reads, cause all the cool kids are or will be doing it.

Town-read on WC and Icey.
Scum-read on LynchMePlz

Way-Too-Serious-Read on Pine

This is a town read, btw.


Why Icey = Town and LMP = Scum? Will answer yours.

[inHimshallibe]

I have a simple question, does everyone have at least one damaging ability?

My role PM suggests everyone does.

Please, let's not start discussing powers and shit on D1. Wait at least until N1 and lets watch the world burn.

The way I read these two sentences... they seem to contradict.

[inHimshallibe]

Well, the motives at least. The first sentence seems to promote caution, while the second seems to want chaos.

[chesskid3]

move your vote son