130.Mirror Mafia - Game Over

[Duplicity]

This does not shock me much. Both scum teams are frothing for this one - my personal call is still everyone needs to lynch Pine. Second off is honestly Duplicity. He had an unusual arc to this where he was defending me somewhat and then was suddenly voting me - his desire to vote me showed up after I had clarified how I could confirm myself *and* add risk to Ctorj and Ion as kill targets. $5 gets you odds that he's scum with one of them.

If lynching you proves to Calcifer that Ctorj/Twisted need to be lynched then, yes I am all for it. I'm also completly willing to change to one of them right now if there's any demand shown from it, but from what I've seen Calcifer has forced this lynch to come between Pine/You, and I'm close to positive that Pines town.

[Thor665]

Lynching me to prove that Ctorj/Twisted should be lynched...yeah. I stand very much by my previous post.

[Magister Ludi]

Duplicity, why do you need to prove anything to Calcifer.

Anyways, hammer away on thor.

[Magister Ludi]

Thor, who are your four strongest townreads

[Thor665]

My strongest

town

reads?

Uh...whatevs...

Calc, Bub, Furc are the strong ones. Everything else gets very mushy middle after that. If I had to go with a fourth I'd probably go Haylen just considering how that wagon blew up and then how it migrated onto me for reasons that are "on noes a lynch is better than no lynch" also, quite frankly, I wouldn't tend to expect scum to have the cahones to be playing as badly as she is currently.

[Duplicity]

Lynching me to prove that Ctorj/Twisted should be lynched...yeah. I stand very much by my previous post.

Do you see an alternative solution? I don't particularly like either lynch proposed as previously stated and there's not enough time to start a lynch elsewhere.

Duplicity, why do you need to prove anything to Calcifer.

Calcifer is currently the clear, and the person that all of the lurkers which make up of majority of this playerlist are following.

[Magister Ludi]

Who are those lurkers that are following Calcifer.

[Duplicity]

Who are those lurkers that are following Calcifer.

Lurkers that are following Calcifer:

Furclow, Ctorj49, Bunnylover, Bub

Lurkers that are likely to follow Calcifer when the deadline looms:

Ion67, Twistedspoon, Haylen

[Bunnylover]

Hi there .
Thor at L-1.
I am conflicted on the Thor issue. This is how I view the situation:
Thor is a town neighborizer who neighborized the people he said he did, and had the unfortunate event to have scum kill one of his targets. If Thor is scum, why would they have him neighborize and shoot? I don't see the logic in doing that. Obviously they would let the goon do their dirty work for them if Thor is on the red side, while on the black I don't know since.
But the same thing can be said if Thor is a scum neighborizer who had the opposing team kill the person he targeted which put him in a shit hole.

Should I just sheep you Cal?

[Thor665]

Lynching me to prove that Ctorj/Twisted should be lynched...yeah. I stand very much by my previous post.

Do you see an alternative solution? I don't particularly like either lynch proposed as previously stated and there's not enough time to start a lynch elsewhere.

I'm gonna wash that lynch right outta my hair, gonna wash that lynch right outta my hair, and send responsibility on it's waaaaaay...

Other alternatives included not being one of the lurkers you're making fun of.
Not getting too excited about clearing Calc until we see the Pine flip.
And, I dunno, explaining how my flip will in any way advance a Ctorj or Twisted case if you want to use that as the justification for your vote.

Yeah.

[Duplicity]

(Attached numbers to make it easier)

1. Other alternatives included not being one of the lurkers you're making fun of.
2. Not getting too excited about clearing Calc until we see the Pine flip.
3. And, I dunno, explaining how my flip will in any way advance a Ctorj or Twisted case if you want to use that as the justification for your vote.

1. Are you hoenstly attempting to say that I've "Lurked"?
2. I have a town-read on Calc without Pines clearance on him, Pines report just solidfies it.
3. If you flip town, then Calc is going to have to rethink and question the entirety of their reads as majority of it revolves around you being scum. This hopefully should be enough for him to see how obvious Ctorj and Twisted are right now.

[Thor665]

1. You have not been present and vocally advancing the cases you claim to have preference towards - yes.
2. Sure.
3. So...you think I'm town? You're not changing my opinion much here.

[Duplicity]

1. You have not been present and vocally advancing the cases you claim to have preference towards - yes.
2. Sure.
3. So...you think I'm town? You're not changing my opinion much here.

1. I was, earlier in the day I was pushing towards Haylen, however I'm leaning towards her being town now - bad town, but still town.

3. As much as it pains me to say, yes I do believe you're town, I just have little willpower to fight against Nacho after last game I was in with him, but you're right I should give it one more shot.

Unvote, Vote; Twistedspoon

Calcifer, do you really believe Thor would act so defeatist and resort to FoSing those slightly hesistant of voting him as scum?

[Tasky]

VOTECOUNT 3.9

Thor665 (6/8): Pine, Magister Ludi, flinter, Bub Bidderskins, Calcifer, Nocmen
Pine (4/8): Thor665, Furcolow, Bunnylover, Ctorj49
Duplicity (1/8): Haylen
Ctorj49 (1/8): Twistedspoon
Twistedspoon (1/8): Duplicity

Not Voting (1): Ion67

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Base-Time is over. Deadline might now hit anytime. I will tell you 24 hours in advance.

[flinter]

I'm rather confused by what happened on the thor wagon. Is it that people were suddenly scared of the deadline and decided to vote for the biggest wagon, or what? I would expect scum to be reluctant to bus him close to deadline, and I would think town would be reluctant to throw away their read on Thor. In simpler words, this wagon went to fast to keep me confortable. One would expect a Thor-lynch to be a struggle, even if Calcifer decided to lynch him.

I'm going to support Duplicity's attempt on a TS lynch:

unvote vote TwistedSpoon

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[Pine]

Come on people, this isn't hard. Don't wuss out on the Thorscum lynch because of his AtEs.

[Thor665]

@Pine - quote the AtE.

[Pine]

Lynching me to prove that Ctorj/Twisted should be lynched...yeah. I stand very much by my previous post.

Do you see an alternative solution? I don't particularly like either lynch proposed as previously stated and there's not enough time to start a lynch elsewhere.

I'm gonna wash that lynch right outta my hair, gonna wash that lynch right outta my hair, and send responsibility on it's waaaaaay...

Other alternatives included not being one of the lurkers you're making fun of.

Not getting too excited about clearing Calc until we see the Pine flip.
And, I dunno, explaining how my flip will in any way advance a Ctorj or Twisted case if you want to use that as the justification for your vote.

Yeah.

My strongest

town

reads?

Uh...whatevs...

Calc, Bub, Furc are the strong ones. Everything else gets very mushy middle after that. If I had to go with a fourth I'd probably go Haylen just considering how that wagon blew up and then

how it migrated onto me for reasons that are "on noes a lynch is better than no lynch" also, quite frankly, I wouldn't tend to expect scum to have the cahones to be playing as badly as she is currently.

Upon review, I mis-labeled this as AtE. I'm not entirely sure how to label it, but it is definitely a cheap desperation tactic (successfully) designed to shame people off of your lynch instead of engaging in actual argument against it.

[Thor665]

So my AtE is clarifying an accusation and supplying my town reads when requested?
Yeah.
You'll be tomorrow, I don't know how in the heck you weren't today, but you'll be tomorrow.

[Thor665]

Oh wait, is the scumtell 'disagreeing with your lynch wagon'? Because only scum do that, yes. (attention, this is sarcasm...and Pine is black scum)

[Pine]

Shame is an emotion, now that I think of it. Shaming people off of a compromise wagon instead of attacking it based on grounds of evidence and logic.

Also, you're really working the argument from repetition angle.

[Calcifer]

Should I just sheep you Cal?

Yes.

Calcifer, do you really believe Thor would act so defeatist and resort to FoSing those slightly hesistant of voting him as scum?

Yes.

@Calcifer, I'm willing to compromise with a Thor lynch if you promise to lynch both of these two if I die.

Gladly.

Interesting note:
If Thor flips red scum, Pine's tracking ability will be able to confirm non-reds.
And since it is in black-scum's best interest to eradicate the red scum once they get down to one, it only makes sense for red-scum to shoot Pine.
Naturally, black scum should shoot Bub just in case he fucks up and doesn't defect in time.
OR they could risk it, shoot me, and hope Bub doesn't shoot Pine then Ctorj, or then game over

[Thor665]

@Pine - It's scummy to derail a compromise wagon? So my scum motivation was to keep all the attention on you and me? Yeah...

@Calc - We'll be discussing this one in endgame. Also, you still haven't explained Ctorj yet.

[Pine]

Derailing a compromise wagon in itself isn't scummy. Your tactics are.

[Nocmen]

Not liking Duplicity's push on Twisted at all. It seems forced out of pressure and what not. He gave in too fast to Thor's accusations of lurking, plus I have to be concerned of any attempt for a new wagon this late in the day, not wanting to repeat D1 again.

Flinter: Have you read my posts? I think some of my last posts helped explain my transition into thinking Thor was town into scum.

What I really don't like, is that all of a sudden you two (Flinter/Duplicity) are thinking Thor is town, WHEN YOU HAD YOUR VOTE ON HIM UNTIL JUST NOW.