Newbie 1116 -- Game Over

[cymru96]

/confirm

[cymru96]

I'll get an avatar a-sap

[cymru96]

I'm still trying to find a picture that'll fit.

I havent voted yet cause I have to reason to suspect anyone.

[cymru96]

VOTE: bigAL because he's said that he's not necisserily town and then voted for me without saying his reason.

BTW my time zone is GMT so my posts will probably be early morning- early afternoon for most of you

[cymru96]

why did it not bold?

[cymru96]

Vote: bigAL

I stated my reason above but I forgor to bold.

I said not neciserily town because you said yourself not to neciserily trust you.

[cymru96]

Sorry about the lack of replies from me guys, I had an unexpectedly busy weekend. Reading through the page and a half that I missed a few things pop out:

VOTE: bigAL because he's said that he's not necisserily town and then voted for me without saying his reason.

BTW my time zone is GMT so my posts will probably be early morning- early afternoon for most of you

Cymru, why such a quick vote against bigAl? It seems a little defensive, especially since you didn't ask him why he suspected you or wait BigAl to answer Grimmjow's question regarding his suspicion of you. If you were town, wouldn't you want to dispute all of his charges against you to get rid of any questions of your loyalty as town?

Sure, bigAl ended up explaining it as an arbitrary charge but I'd still like to know why you didn't defend yourself before voting BigAl (and then continued to vote for bigAl without really saying anything in response to his relatively lengthy explanation of his vote).

That's really all I found suspicious for now.

Even if he voted for someone else without giving reason I woul've voted for him 'cause you can't really say it's not random without giving reason.

Also, saying that it's a quick vote works two ways. If your quick, it's suspicious. If you leave it cause it's not enough evidence, looks suspicious. People gat lynched for stayin quiet. It's a two sided coin.

Saying that, I don't think he's scum but I'm not gonna unvote cause I havent seen anyone who looks scummy and leaving my vote blank after previously voting looks suspicious.

[cymru96]

I know you can vote without giving reason but it pointless 'cause it's like saying "I know something you don't but I'm not telling." It's stupid.

I havent unvoted.

[cymru96]

I guess you guys are right, I should find scum not prove that I'm scum 'cause I appear to be good at digging holes!

Unvote

Vote Zihark

Not posting for ages and then suddenly voting as soon as VisceraEyes votes for you seems a bit dodgy.

[cymru96]

whoa whoa whoa... typo. LOL

If I was mafia I would NOT be stupid enough to post that I was mafia.

I meant to say that I should find mafia instead of proving that I'm NOT mafia!

[cymru96]

seriously right, belive it or not, it was a typo.

Why you shouldnt lynch me- It was a honest mistake and aside from that, what shows that I'm mafia?
I'm trying to show that I'm not mafia 'cause in the only other game I played I was just trying to find mafia and got lynched in less than an hour.

I have nothing else to say exept that I think that Zihark is suspicious cause he only posts when someone votes him. Suspicious?
Also, whoever said to stop voting Zihark could be in cahoots with him and is trying to cover him.

[cymru96]

I think we need to hear from ZiHark to clarify his inactivity and then as soon as someone votes for him- KA-POW he votes back at them.

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@cymru
I think it'd be more productive to ask the host to prod him and replace him if necessary. 2 posts in 5 pages is at the very least unacceptable.

I agree.
@Nobody Special
Prod ZiHark?

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@Miss JJ

If it wasnt a slip up:
a- why does it not make sense?
b- why would I post that?

[cymru96]

just to throw this out there- I've been watching without saying anything.
I don't know what else to do without the inactive people sapeaking their mind.

[cymru96]

My favorite colour is Blue and I don't like jam on toast.

I don't really know what to think about everyone because there's a lot of stuff to decipher. I think that Miss JJ has made it very clear that my typo was deliberate. I think she is scum and is trying to get me lynched by going on about how it was ot a typo. Anyone who read it would know that it makes no sense but only she seems to think it was serious.

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@VisceraEyes
I don't expect anyone to support my "campaign." I was asked my opinion and I gave it.

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@ VE

I was hoping for an a-z but oh well...

General feelings-
Viscera Eyes- Either scum trying to get Greimmjow lynched of a town super-investigator.
Yonzy- Hard to tell cause he hasnt done much yet.
Miss JJ- As I previously said, I think she's scum.
BigAl- I don't think he's scum cause he hasnt really done anything scummy. Saying that, he hasnt been really townie either.

Vote: Miss JJ

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@bigAl I think that one of VE and Grimmjow is mafia but I don't know which. If I had to come to decision I would read some of their posts and see what sounds scummy.

UNLESS... they are playing an elaborate set-up where their BOTH scum. Unlikely... yes.

[cymru96]

ok...

I think Grimmjow is scum and he is trying to hide it in the feud with Viscera. He is trying to play it off as Viscera being scum but after the insults it seems that he has no basis and resorts to personal jibes. I think that because of this he is scummy. I am not gonna vote for him because I think he and Miss JJ are scum so I stick to JJ.

I think Viscera is a scum hunter and is being targeted by Grimmjow to cover Grimm's scummyness

KA-POW!

[cymru96]

Unless Grimmjow and JJ are playing a really elaborate game I don't think they are a mafia team. I did'nt take the votes into account.
I do think that Miss JJ is scum, I stand by that 'cause everyone was like it's most likely a typo and then she jumps in with it's definately NOT a typo.

I don't think Grimmjow is scum based upon reflection and I therefore appologise for the accusation.

*Random thought. Only Grimmjow, Miss JJ, VisceraEyes, Me and bigAl have really been in the spotlight so if tucah/wordawg/zihark/dickov is mafia they can just post a nonchelant post and laugh all the way to the night.

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I actually think Miss JJ was looking for someone to pass as scum to cover herself and the typo was a perfect opportunity

[cymru96]

wow...that was an eventful night.

[cymru96]

Hopefully a prod on Miss JJ will give further information and then we shall see if she's scum or not.
(For the record I still think she's scummy)

[cymru96]

I sleep for, like 7hours and there's 5new pages. Wow.
I agree with blue's theory and I don't think Grmmjov or Viscera are scum.
My question is. Who is scum between wordawg and TommieUzmaki?

[cymru96]

I don't think your theory is rubbish. I don't think you, Grimm or Viscera are scum.

I think either Tommie or wordawg are scum alond with Miss JJ

[cymru96]

right you want insight? I'm sot totally sure what insight means but I'll try.

I've said it time and time again, I think Miss JJ is scum, I've explained why before.
I am also slightly suspicious of Cobblerfone and Tommie because I didnt trust yonzy or tucah cause they were lurking.

I have no time for more now but I shall continue later

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seriously though, my reasoning doesnt suck. I said something which was a typo, she wouldnt let it drop and I think she was trying to make me a scapegoat and try to get me lynched.
Question the new guys. We got nothing from Zihark, tucah or Yonzy so Blue, Tommie or Cobbler should be questioned.
3 new guys. Who do you think is scum and why?

If I do get lynched bear in mind what I think about JJ (or JJ's replacement).

[cymru96]

fos Blue

He unvotes as soon as there's suspicion on him and the two of us are getting the most attention and he then votes for me maybe to take pressure off him.

[cymru96]

Unvote: The fonz

I have a FoS on you cause I thought/think you person you replaced is scum.

Blue kinda makes a good point about either me or him going soon after each other but saying that it would probably be me coz of vote count is like asking someone to finish me off and I'm getting suspicious.

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@the fonz

Why do I need to change avatar?

[cymru96]

For the record, I'm not changing avatar.

I'm not getting town vibes from the Fonz which kinda makes sense seeing as I thought JJ was scum... FoS The Fonz x2

[cymru96]

I can't link the game because the website got remodelled and the archives are gone. The game was a few months ago.

[cymru96]

Vote: Bluepokemon

voting for me and only saying that I'm scum without saying why = week. If your scum and hiding it at least give decent reasons for voting mate.

[cymru96]

where did I go? I went to bed, got up, went to school, came home, did homework, played video games, read the mafia stuff, found Tommie's essay pointless and suspicious.

I am now in a dilema. I still think Cobbler is scummy cause of the miss JJ thing but I'm not sure between Tommie and Blue.
Blue- says random stuff and votes for me stupidly.
Tommie- Much ado about nothing. (said loads that made no sense.) It looked like scum who didn't know what to do so he tried to write stuff which failed.

I shall not unvote because I think of the two, Blue is currently most suspicious of the two and if we're scumhunting t'would be a waste of a vote on cobbler coz no one would belive me.

FoS- Cobblerfone
Fos- Tommie Uzumaki

[cymru96]

Remember I was sure that Miss JJ was scum and cause cobbler replaced her I'm suspicious of him. I'm less sure now but it still warrants a FoS

[cymru96]

I appologise for FoS'ing cobblerfone, I thought you were JJ's replacement.

[cymru96]

clever...real clever.

[cymru96]

This could be 2 things.
1-He's scum and is trying to get people to unvote him, as bigAl said.
2- He's town and suspects someone else so wants people to unvote him.
OR
bigAl and blue are scum and Al is trying to cover him by getting people to unvote.

[cymru96]

You say you vote me for the same reasons as before which is this-

i voted you beacuse your a lurker

1. I was'nt lurking then and I'm not lurking now.
2. You posted both at like 4am here.

I think you are scum and you're trying to gat the other person who has heat lynched.

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This is gonna sound far fetched but I think as soon as JJ saw that I accused her of playing me as scum she had to concede and unvote cause she didn't want anyone looking in to it.

[cymru96]

ok... another quiet day.
Welcome to Zachrulez, I think you could be scum. I didn't know if Zihark was scum but I suspected BluePokemon. That saying, his style of play was so weird it was impossible to tell so I will give you the benefit of doubt.

The Fonz- after the whole JJ thing I dunno because I seem to be on a one man crusade so I may have to let it drop at this stage.

Wordawg- People seem to think that your scummy but I'm not sure either way.

Unvote: ZachRulez

Vote: BigAl

- You havent really done much for a while and I have nothing that makes me say town and I get some scum vibes.

[cymru96]

in answer to wordawg's question. Balance is key. Defend yourself and then make a counter accusation/suspicion.

[cymru96]

The thing that cobbler said about getting tired of the day seems suspicious... are you just trying to end it to take the pressure away from you?

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My vote wasn't retaliatory I just needed to see how you would react because I havent got much on you, town or scum.

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I only voted BigAl to see more from him.
I don't think that Viscera's "flipout" was scum just frustrated town. (a few pages late but hey!) Saying that, the point that Zach has about Vis not taking a stance exept the bluepokemon days, is kinda true which is making me think.

I take it that most people think that cobbler is scum but out of interest,
who does cobbler suspect?

[cymru96]

Ok, so it seems that Cobbler and Wordawg are the two main suspects but from what I've seen Word is against Cobbler. Unless they are playing a genious/very risky game they are not both scum.
The question is, which one of the two?
Also, who else is scum alongside them? I think that it is most likely to be tommieUzumaki because I don't think that Al, Viscera or Zach are scum.

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I'm more inclined to suspect you, Wordawg because I think that most of your long posts don't have much content in them and I think that you are doing this to look active when you don't suspect anyone cause you know the scum is.

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Oh yeah, I forgot that I havent unvoted yet-

Unvote

Vote: Wordawg

- for reasons above.

[cymru96]

Question to the IC.
When someone is on L-1, what usually happens because if someone hammers down, wouldn't that be suspicious?

[cymru96]

oh right. I'm open to a hammer because even though I thought that Wordawg was the scummier I haven't ruled cobbler out. That doesn't mean that he's number one priority though.
Before I do any voting though I want to know what Fonz, Tommie and Zach think.

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ok, cobbler. Let's say I'm about to hammer you, what would your very last defence be?

[cymru96]

I was asking those guys because there was 4 of us and 4guys voting cobbler so I was wondering if I should hammer but I thought I should ask why they havent voted cobbler.
I'm not gonna hammer untill I hear from cobbler no worries.

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just pointing out that Tommie hasn't posted for 3days.

Out of interest, is there any way that there's gonna be another extention cause the game's suddenly dies again?

[cymru96]

cymru, do you think I'm scum? hammer me then. Do you think Workdawg is scum? Then vote him and I'll prepare the hammer by asking for a claim (or if you want you can prepare the hammer). I'm afraid it might be too late for any other options.

This seems like a very desperate plea to me, but I think it's a scum plea. By saying, hammer me, it looks like your trying to look town when it doesn't seem that way to me.

I won't vote

YET

because I want to hear more from tommie and possibly zach as to why he/they suspect me/wordawg/viscera.

Also- Zach has been lurking. I know he's in another newbie game but I've seen him online loads in the last few days and he's been ominously quiet since Viscera asked for reasoning behind his vote.

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ok so there's 5 town and 2 scum.

If another townie gets lynched today we are practically screwed so we need to think it through VERY carefully.

It may look suspicious that Tommie suspected me and now he's dead but I think that someone who has been in the game from around the beginning has seen my posts and thinks that he can get rid of me after my slip-up and my tirade against JJ.

Someone like wordawg or VisceraEyes...

Vote: VisceraEyes

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VisceraEyes post #890-
"I know my alignment, I do not know theirs."
I think that he's saying that because he obviously knows his alignment but also that he knows who the other scum is. How? BECAUSE HE'S SCUM.

The question is... who's his scumbuddy, Zach or Wordawg?

Anwers on a postcard.

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ok let's take this from another angle...
When it was wordawg vs cobbler it was 3-3 untill Viscera swithed, making it 4-2.
It looks likely that viscera and his scumbuddy were on the cobbler wagon.
Here are the peeps that were on it.
1.Grimm, unlikely.
2.Wordawg, very likely.
3. BigAl, I had suspicions but you asking why I don't suspect you seems townie to me.

So I think it's wordawg and viscera.

[cymru96]

I supose they could have been playing a risky game but in which case if they are not both scum, which one of them do you think is scum, if either?

[cymru96]

ok ok ok... I can see that you did suspect Wordawg a lot but WHY did you switch votes from Word to Cobbler then?

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care to expand on your vote Mr. Fonz?

[cymru96]

Valid points but seriously... Fonz... I don't think you are incapable of expanding your vote I just want to know why you havent stated your reason.

Very suspicious.

Vote: The Fonz

There, I'm taking a stance AND not voting OMGUS!

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I agree that Fonz has reasons I just want to hear then. Think of it as me poking him with a stick for info!

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care to expand on your vote Mr. Fonz?

A question, Mr. Vile fan, do you think I am incapable of expanding on my vote?

You state you 'just want to know' why I didn't explain, and then vote me before I had the chance to explain?

I asked you to explain, which you didn't and then you say that I voted without letting you give reason. You refused to give reason... Suspicious Much?
(Also the reason you gave sucks.)

[cymru96]

wow...disrespecting my country is pretty lame...

You want to know why I think your act was scummy- You come back on day two with a vote without resoning which is suspicious in itself. You would have been questioned so you decided to make a vote and then stall for time to think of a reason.

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really though...why withhold infomation?...shouldn't townies help each other out by telling all that they know.

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People see things differently over a period of time...it seemed that you had a reason and now it doesn't. You probably did have a reason but surely if you were town you would tell the town any info/suspicions that you have.

Also, please don't tell me to lighten up after you've insulted me and my country. What right do you have to first insult me, and then to tell me to lighten up?

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You say that Al chose someone who was town over someone who is of unknown alignment. Thing is, cobbler was an unknown alignment. He could've been scum, but he wasn't. Al made a call based on his opinion, and it was wrong, doesn't make him scum. (He could be scum, but don't base it on that.).

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you make a good point that he may have made a slip. He may be an IC but is he a newbie scum?

I know that the player that he wagoned was town but I'm saying that he did not neciserilly know that he was town.

Your last post gives you more town vibes, therefore-

Unvote: The Fonz

[cymru96]

I agree with Zach about arguing about a point which isn't paticularly useful and variable based on how you would read a statement.

Would is be worth putting Al at L-1 to get some answers?

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So it would appear that either Wordawg, Grimm, Fonz or me (apparently!) are scum.
At the end of day 1, there was loads of pressure on Wordawg and now there's hardly no pressure (exept Al's last post). Why has the pressure suddenly dropped? Is there better targets or is he seen as town now?

Big Al's theory about a Wordawg + Grimm team doesn't really go well because Grimm has seemed pretty town to me. BUT... what about a Word and Al are a team?

He said that it was most likely that it was Grimm and Word but then he didn't state anything on Word, found a small amount of evidence and voted Grimm. If this lynch went ahead and Grimm was town why Al could just claim to be mistaken and suggest that it was Word and someone else and vote that other person.

Vote: Big Al

[cymru96]

oh yeah, didn't notice that...

[cymru96]

I didn't notice but I have no regrets about placing the vote. If he swings town then it looks bad for me but I know that it's almost worse to put someone at L-1 than to hammer so I'm aware of the risks.

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I'm not concerned at putting him at L-1. I just didn't notice but I have no regrets. If someone hammers it doesn't bother me because I didn't pressure vote. I hope we hear more from him now but my vote stands untill I find a worthier candidate.

@Viscera. Why do you not think that I'm a new player?

[cymru96]

I knew that it would but then I forgot. Basically it makes no difference because even if I had remembered I still would have made the vote.

[cymru96]

The game's died again (partly my fault I know).

The sooner Grimm gets back to us the better

[cymru96]

I think it's Al and Wordawg, but, if I'm incorrect I would then perhaps suggest the Fonz. But, that's only if my word and Al suspicions are wrong.

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so there's a 1/3 chance of lynching scum today. Add suspicions and stuff, make it a 1/2 chance.

I know it looks bad for me, putting BigAl at L-1 but based on the odds I already talked about it would seem that either Me(!), Fonz, Zach or Viscera are scummy.

VE's vote was odd because I think that Word still had pressure on him so that vote and reasoning + the hammer vote = suspicious.

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As I quite often say... it's all kicking off now!

Sooooo...either Fonz is scum and got caught OR someone tried to kill Fonz and failed. I have previously suspected Fonz and have a perminant FoS on him so therefore I'm not ruling him out.

Saying that, I don't suspect Grimm and I kinda suspect Wordawg so I guess wordawg could have made the hit but I think it's unlikely because I think that Fonz and Word are working together. No proof so no vote. Meanwhile, ima go diggin'!

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So it comes down to whether night kills are compulsory or not. Right...

Here is another possibility, VE knows that even if someone does counter claim, it is unlikely that he will be lynched just in case he's the one telling the truth. Therefore he's getting a free pass to tomorrow.

Everyone, in your next post could you say for certain, are you going to counterclaim or not. If someone else has the powerole and VE is lying could you say SOONER rather than later because you might be watching responses or something but we need to move on.

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V/LA till Saturday 6th August. Family holiday. I'll be online tomorrow but then I'm away from a computer. Sorry.

@VE. I don't suspect you most but I do suspect you. I suspect Word and Fonz (then you).

[cymru96]

Rare moment of internet connection- 2 points. 1, VE said that it doesn't matter if we no lynch today even though he would probably die. Suspicious. 2. Don't rule out Fonz yet. Maybe VE did block the scum.

[cymru96]

Sorry about the format. iPod typing sucks!

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Just to let you know that I'll be back tomorrow night.

[cymru96]

I have returned.

Let's get scumhunting!

[cymru96]

Vote: Zachrulez

Reason- none
Purppose- To cause contreversy and get prople commenting/raise the game from down by all the endgames.

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The point is, the game needed to liven up,
a. It worked
b. Out of the people who were not V/La, Zach had been gone the longest so I figured a vote on him would make him come back... which worked.

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Why are you overlooking the fact that I only voted because no one else was doing anything?

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I dodn't think that we should lynch the lurker, nor did I say it.

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See, VE kinda has the same idea as me. Voting for people who dissappear. I know the two votes arn't the same but they are similar. Anyway, now that Word seems to be back the game can flow again...

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I've just thought of a reason why Fonz might be absent. All kinds of bad shit's going down in the cities in the Uk so it might not be his fault that he's absent. Unless he's out on the streets then shame on you

[cymru96]

@Workdawg. I apologise, I've misread your name the whole time. I know someone on the web called wordawg and I didn't notice the differance. I'm sorry

[cymru96]

I feel stupid now.

[cymru96]

erm, where does this leave us?

[cymru96]

fail lol!

[cymru96]

Fair enough. I feel for everyone out there. I'm relieved that nothing's started up in Cardiff.

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My view of Grimm is that for a player that has been here since the start of the game, he's kept his cards VERY close to his hand.

He explains his votes and actions but I don't see him doing much else which is odd.
Thinking through, I don't have any evidence to prove that Grimm is scum but for me it is between Grimm and Fonz for scum #2.

That leaves me with scum suspect #1-

Vote- Workdawg

L-1

So Workdawg, who do you think is Scum and why?

[cymru96]

I messed up. I thought it would be ok to put him at L-1 because whoever hammered would be lynched tomorrow. I DIDN'T REALISE that if the townie was lynched and they got the nightkill it would be all over. I didn't think and I messed up. I am sorry.

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VE makes a good point about Fonz arguing out of suspicion HOWEVER I dunno if it's wise/suspicious for VE to say that he must die.

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Although I agree in theory, Why unvote Workd?

You must've been suspicious of him in the first place and you've unvoted just because someone else suspects him votes. Unvote if you have another suspect or if you have evidence to unvote.

Side point- Myself and Grimm were both online and could've hammered but we didn't. My theory- Workd and Fonz are scum and Workd had his vote on Fonz to avoid suspicion. As soon as Fonz reached L-1, Workd panicked and unvoted.

[cymru96]

???? Don't get any bright ideas....

I think Fonz is Scum but I didn't hammer. Your bright idea to put him at L-1 could have cost town the game if scum hammered. You got lucky, be humble.

[cymru96]

My response was as it was because I know I've made newbie mistakes but I'm not stupid.

We need to hear from Fonz, I'm giving him a chance to speak as I tried with Cobbler on day 1.

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I know because people in this game have called my votes OMGUS and said how stupid my decisions have been. Fair enough. I'm trying to learm from my mistakes and not do anything stupid.

[cymru96]

I have thought about it and here is my conclusion.

The majority of us belive that Fonz is scum and looking at all of the possible partnerships and voting patterns it would seem that Fonz features in all of them. Workdawg's style worries me and I believe that he and Fonz are the scumteam.
JJ was suspicious and I thought she was scum so I feel that it makes sense.

If I'm wrong I've just cost us the game.

Unvote: Workdawg.

Vote: The Fonz

[cymru96]

It's fair to say that I need more newbie games!

I screwed up loads so fair play to VE for saving my ass.

[cymru96]

So can

[cymru96]

So can I join the newbie queue as a newbie again?

[cymru96]

Adios amigos. Good game. I've replaced into a day 1 newbie game so this is me signing out from this game. Hope to play with y'all again.