OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[Amrun]

List of things that bother me about tim:

-Agreed to hypodoccing with no clear idea of what it meant, which tells me he's trying to fit in.
-When asked for reads, objects because "no one else is doing it" (fitting in again) but eventually gives two waffling, conflicting reads on Hoppster and DK.
-His initial actual discussion/objection to hypodocing sounded like it came from a scum point of view
-When pressed to give further reads, refused on grounds of rudeness that wasn't there. What pro-town motivation is there? None. When asked for reads before, he clearly just made something up in panic, which is why he can't explain himself properly.
-he has issues with others giving town reads and pretty much objects to them on a universal basis, and it reads to me like newbscum panicking that his mislynches are going down the drain. Sowing seeds of dissension = common scum tactic. I just nailed scum on it in another game.
-interestingly, he gives a strong townread on DK in spite of this and there is something up with this contradiction.


However, I am concerned because several of these are also newbtells. I don't want to give a pass for scummy behavior, but I don't want to mislynch a newbie, either. Yes, this is fencesitting. Get over it.

[DeityKabuto]

So summary of the cases on the top three (tied) vote getters as far as I can tell.

DK -> Mishammered, attempting to avoid hypodoc'ing.
Jillynne -> Fence-sitting, "contributing very little (ISO) and she seems to be trying very hard to remain polite and impassive in her posting style."
tim_hill1991 -> Initial sheeping (followed by long Amrun-tim back and forth that makes summarizing the case difficult), did not initially give reads when prompted.

Questions for the wagoneers:

DeityKabuto, what is your opinion of hypodoc'ing, and why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a strategy?
Jillynne, give me your top three scum reads, why they are scum reads, and explain why you have yet to cast a vote so far this game.
Tim_Hill1991, why did you initially refuse to give reads on players?

And one more:

Amrun, please give me a summary of your case on Tim_Hill1991, what would you consider to be the most salient points raised in your back and forth conversation with him that convince you of his scummyness.

I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.

[Moratorium]

...and why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a strategy?

[IceGuy]

DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch. The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have.

And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.

What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?

I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.

Why should anybody not hypo-doc (except scum, of course, and maybe VIs)? Is there any pro-town reason to not hypodoc?

Also, why do you think hypo-doc'ing is "idiotic" and what is your alternative to hypo-doc'ing?

[HellloooNewman]

DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch.

The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have

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And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.

What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?

My opinion hasn't changed.

[DeityKabuto]

DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch. The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have.

And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.

What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?

I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.

Why should anybody not hypo-doc (except scum, of course, and maybe VIs)? Is there any pro-town reason to not hypodoc?

Also, why do you think hypo-doc'ing is "idiotic" and what is your alternative to hypo-doc'ing?

My alternative is at the start of D2, everyone claim if the roles are announced during Death. Because even the people who agree for hypo-doc probably wont do it, and they can lie. It's not that much a reliable method, since not everyone is confirmed to co-op with the hypo-doc just because they say they will discarding the two scum.

[AntB]

VOTE COUNT - 9 alive, 5 to Lynch

DeityKabuto

<- HellloooNewman - Moratoriumm

tim_hill1990

<- Amrun - IceGuy

Amrun

<- DeityKabuto

jilynne1991

<- Hoppster - Quilford

Not Voting

<- jilynne1991 - tim_hill1990

V/LA

tim_hill1990 - Monday

DEADLINE

THURSDAY 23 JUNE 2011 23:59:59 UTC
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[DeityKabuto]

Newman, and Moratorium, off my wagon.

You don't want a mislynch today or do you?

My wagon is not the best choice, if you'd ask me, and this is coming from an outsider's perspective.

[Amrun]

The roles aren't confirmed during death, DK. People just flip doctor, no sanity.

[Moratorium]

Newman, and Moratorium, off my wagon.

You don't want a mislynch today or do you?

My wagon is not the best choice, if you'd ask me, and this is coming from an outsider's perspective.

Why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a strategy?

[HellloooNewman]

How the fuck are you an outsider to your own lynch?

*shakes head in amazement*

[jilynne1991]

How the fuck are you an outsider to your own lynch?

*shakes head in amazement*

What do you mean by that? I'm kind of confused.

Just out of curiosity, if we hypodoc, doesn't that mean at least half of the docs know their sanity by the end of night 1?

[Amrun]

He means that DK can't be objective about his own lynch.

Hopefully one or two docs can narrow down sanity. Few if any will know for certain.

[IceGuy]

My alternative is at the start of D2, everyone claim if the roles are announced during Death. Because even the people who agree for hypo-doc probably wont do it, and they can lie. It's not that much a reliable method, since not everyone is confirmed to co-op with the hypo-doc just because they say they will discarding the two scum.

Again: Why should anybody but scum not hypo-doc? What is a pro-town reason for that?

[Hoppster]

HelloNewman is scum because of his agressive posting style and he will bite on anyone who questions his towniliness, like really. o.O

Umm.

Frogboy (Hoppster), I am town you fucktard.

No feud. I just know that the game is better off without him.

Stfu you asshole. You are the lynch for today for wanting a mislynch.

Newman, and Moratorium, off my wagon.

You don't want a mislynch today or do you?

Awwwwwwwkward.

(What I'm saying is that you're guilty of the same thing, and off the top of my head I'd say to a larger degree as well.)

Is Newman still scum for that?

[Hoppster]

EBWOP: Also, am I scum or town in your opinion?

[DeityKabuto]

EBWOP: Also, am I scum or town in your opinion?

Scum

It doesn't matter if others think you are town or scum, it matters what you THINK, if you know you're town then who cares if you're L-1, it's others fault for thinking that way. So TELL ME are you scum or town? Be honest, if you are scum, then just say so, nobody will be mad or anything.

[Amrun]

Dk, the amount of logic you do not possess is astounding.

[Moratorium]

this is the fourth time I ask this question, it has been ignored the previous three.

DeityKabuto, why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a hypodoc strategy?

[DeityKabuto]

this is the fourth time I ask this question, it has been ignored the previous three.

DeityKabuto, why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a hypodoc strategy?

My hammer attempt had nothing to do with hypodocing thing, I didn't know what hypodocing ment at the time, so your logic is flawed, sir.

[HellloooNewman]

5 year olds possess more intuitive thinking than you DK.

[Amrun]

You did know what it meant, DK. We'd explained it about 75 times.

[HellloooNewman]

You know who lies? Scum, that's who.

[DeityKabuto]

You know who lies? Scum, that's who.

You are trying to start a case on yourself, now?

[jilynne1991]

Well we need town to reveal all the information they got at the end of night 1, for that to work.