OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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List of things that bother me about tim:
-Agreed to hypodoccing with no clear idea of what it meant, which tells me he's trying to fit in.
-When asked for reads, objects because "no one else is doing it" (fitting in again) but eventually gives two waffling, conflicting reads on Hoppster and DK.
-His initial actual discussion/objection to hypodocing sounded like it came from a scum point of view
-When pressed to give further reads, refused on grounds of rudeness that wasn't there. What pro-town motivation is there? None. When asked for reads before, he clearly just made something up in panic, which is why he can't explain himself properly.
-he has issues with others giving town reads and pretty much objects to them on a universal basis, and it reads to me like newbscum panicking that his mislynches are going down the drain. Sowing seeds of dissension = common scum tactic. I just nailed scum on it in another game.
-interestingly, he gives a strong townread on DK in spite of this and there is something up with this contradiction.
However, I am concerned because several of these are also newbtells. I don't want to give a pass for scummy behavior, but I don't want to mislynch a newbie, either. Yes, this is fencesitting. Get over it.-
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DeityKabuto Mafia Scum
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Moratorium wrote:So summary of the cases on the top three (tied) vote getters as far as I can tell.
DK -> Mishammered, attempting to avoid hypodoc'ing.
Jillynne -> Fence-sitting, "contributing very little (ISO) and she seems to be trying very hard to remain polite and impassive in her posting style."
tim_hill1991 -> Initial sheeping (followed by long Amrun-tim back and forth that makes summarizing the case difficult), did not initially give reads when prompted.
Questions for the wagoneers:
DeityKabuto, what is your opinion of hypodoc'ing, and why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a strategy?
Jillynne, give me your top three scum reads, why they are scum reads, and explain why you have yet to cast a vote so far this game.
Tim_Hill1991, why did you initially refuse to give reads on players?
And one more:
Amrun, please give me a summary of your case on Tim_Hill1991, what would you consider to be the most salient points raised in your back and forth conversation with him that convince you of his scummyness.
I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.-
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Moratorium Mafia Scum
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IceGuy Mafia Scum
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HellloooNewman wrote:
DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch. The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have.
HellloooNewman wrote:
And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.
What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?
DeityKabuto wrote:
I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.
Why should anybody not hypo-doc (except scum, of course, and maybe VIs)? Is there any pro-town reason to not hypodoc?
Also, why do you think hypo-doc'ing is "idiotic" and what is your alternative to hypo-doc'ing?-
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HellloooNewman Goon
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IceGuy wrote:HellloooNewman wrote:
DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch..The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have
HellloooNewman wrote:
And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.
What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?
My opinion hasn't changed.Irritating Jerry since 1991-
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DeityKabuto Mafia Scum
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IceGuy wrote:HellloooNewman wrote:
DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch. The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have.
HellloooNewman wrote:
And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.
What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?
DeityKabuto wrote:
I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.
Why should anybody not hypo-doc (except scum, of course, and maybe VIs)? Is there any pro-town reason to not hypodoc?
Also, why do you think hypo-doc'ing is "idiotic" and what is your alternative to hypo-doc'ing?
My alternative is at the start of D2, everyone claim if the roles are announced during Death. Because even the people who agree for hypo-doc probably wont do it, and they can lie. It's not that much a reliable method, since not everyone is confirmed to co-op with the hypo-doc just because they say they will discarding the two scum.-
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VOTE COUNT - 9 alive, 5 to Lynch
DeityKabuto<- HellloooNewman - Moratoriumm
tim_hill1990<- Amrun - IceGuy
Amrun<- DeityKabuto
jilynne1991<- Hoppster - Quilford
Not Voting<- jilynne1991 - tim_hill1990
V/LA
tim_hill1990 - Monday
DEADLINE
THURSDAY 23 JUNE 2011 23:59:59 UTC
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DeityKabuto Mafia Scum
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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The roles aren't confirmed during death, DK. People just flip doctor, no sanity.-
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Moratorium Mafia Scum
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DeityKabuto wrote:Newman, and Moratorium, off my wagon.
You don't want a mislynch today or do you?
My wagon is not the best choice, if you'd ask me, and this is coming from an outsider's perspective.
Why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a strategy?Men's evil manners live in brass; their virtues we write in water.-
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HellloooNewman Goon
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jilynne1991 Mafia Scum
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HellloooNewman wrote:How the fuck are you an outsider to your own lynch?
*shakes head in amazement*
What do you mean by that? I'm kind of confused.
Just out of curiosity, if we hypodoc, doesn't that mean at least half of the docs know their sanity by the end of night 1?ShowLost four games as scum.
Lost thirteen games as town.
Won two games as scum.
Won two games as town.-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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He means that DK can't be objective about his own lynch.
Hopefully one or two docs can narrow down sanity. Few if any will know for certain.-
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IceGuy Mafia Scum
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DeityKabuto wrote:
My alternative is at the start of D2, everyone claim if the roles are announced during Death. Because even the people who agree for hypo-doc probably wont do it, and they can lie. It's not that much a reliable method, since not everyone is confirmed to co-op with the hypo-doc just because they say they will discarding the two scum.
Again: Why should anybody but scum not hypo-doc? What is a pro-town reason for that?-
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DeityKabuto wrote:HelloNewman is scum because of his agressive posting style and he will bite on anyone who questions his towniliness, like really. o.O
Umm.
DeityKabuto wrote:Frogboy (Hoppster), I am town you fucktard.DeityKabuto wrote:HellloooNewman wrote:No feud. I just know that the game is better off without him.
Stfu you asshole. You are the lynch for today for wanting a mislynch.DeityKabuto wrote:Newman, and Moratorium, off my wagon.
You don't want a mislynch today or do you?
Awwwwwwwkward.
(What I'm saying is that you're guilty of the same thing, and off the top of my head I'd say to a larger degree as well.)
Is Newman still scum for that?Benmage: First, for the sake of irony. I'm going to illustrate how completely idiotic and hypocritical scumhunter is.-
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Hoppster Mafia Scum
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DeityKabuto Mafia Scum
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Hoppster wrote:EBWOP: Also, am I scum or town in your opinion?
Scum
It doesn't matter if others think you are town or scum, it matters what you THINK, if you know you're town then who cares if you're L-1, it's others fault for thinking that way. So TELL ME are you scum or town? Be honest, if you are scum, then just say so, nobody will be mad or anything.-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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Dk, the amount of logic you do not possess is astounding.-
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Moratorium Mafia Scum
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DeityKabuto Mafia Scum
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Moratorium wrote:this is the fourth time I ask this question, it has been ignored the previous three.
DeityKabuto, why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a hypodoc strategy?
My hammer attempt had nothing to do with hypodocing thing, I didn't know what hypodocing ment at the time, so your logic is flawed, sir.-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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You did know what it meant, DK. We'd explained it about 75 times.-
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HellloooNewman Goon
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DeityKabuto Mafia Scum
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