Mini 1183: Mafiamatical Mathia - Game over!
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I just realized that we pretty much need to let him claim before hammering him in case he claims to be the doctor. We'd lose not only him but his save if that was the case.
Also, plague's last post is very, very scummy - terrible thing to criticize someone for, and it just reeks of setting up a mislynch.-
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if wicked flips town I'm looking at plague
he's alawys been on the easiest wagons in my opinion and trying to end the day so soon without a claim has no town motivation. Only scum wanting to secure a mislynch1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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I refuse to claim until somebody explains how my defense is invalid. Saying you're not convinced without explaining why is just stupid. The case was crap to begin with: it revolves around me not explaining my scumreads. <-- That's not scummy... It's just an attempt to see how people react and see what people think about the reads without piggybacking my reasoning. I honestly feel like I'm playing in Road to Rome right now and I wanted to play in a Mini Normal. Either that, or you guys are just too stubborn to realize that the points are meaningless."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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implosion wrote:His interaction with kalofer is what makes me think he's more likely town right now.
What, specifically, in their interaction makes you think their not scumbuddies? Note that Twistedspoon didn't express any suspicion of Kalofer until after a bandwagon formed. It could have easily been bussing."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Kalofer wrote:Come to think of it, Twisted could be his usual townie self but I'm not in the mood of letting go of scummy actions which lack justification. I'll keep my vote where it is for now. Plague, you've clearly focused your attention on TS, so why no vote for him?
This post (page four) makes me think that TS is town as well. Kalofer doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would bus TS by asking townies to vote for him this early. It could, however, be a distancing attempt with plague - kind of distancing/coaching sort of, and telling him "hey, lets mislynch TS."
As for wicked, I may as well explain my day one townread on him. His reads post looks fine too, but the reason I've had a town read on him for most of the game is that his scumhunting looked genuine.
wicked wrote:@implosion- which allignment do you enjoy the most: town or scum?
This post, for example, makes a lot of sense if wicked is town, and stuck out to me. The question makes sense directed to me - at least, I see it as an attempt to discern my play here as either similar to or different from my frogs 2 play, and whether that difference is indicative of me being town.
His kalofer vote (and other reactionary votes) also looked genuine to me.
P-edit: I listed one thing kalofer said above. And yes, his vote was late on the wagon - it was also the L-1 vote. The way in which he was pushing kalofer and myself before the vote was part of it as well.-
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I could easily see that as bussing, too.
implosion wrote:This post, for example, makes a lot of sense if wicked is town, and stuck out to me. The question makes sense directed to me - at least, I see it as an attempt to discern my play here as either similar to or different from my frogs 2 play, and whether that difference is indicative of me being town.
Correct. And your answer is one reason why I'm leaning towards believing this is your town meta. You'll notice that I made a mention of your meta in my thoughts post."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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wicked wrote:I also don't like how he has ignored my questions.
which questions? these?:
wicked wrote: DJ is there something wrong with my defense?
what exactly is your defense? that you didn't give reasons with your votes in order to get reactions? i don't see anything wrong with that. it doesn't change the fact that you didn't give reasons. also, my understanding of the case against you was that juls pointed out that your play read like an early bus gone wrong.
wicked wrote: DJ, what harm does giving me some time to post my thoughts do?
i'm bored. no harm. it just means we all have to sit here waiting for you.
wicked wrote: oh wait, those were the only two.
lynch this scum please.
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don_johnson wrote:it doesn't change the fact that you didn't give reasons.
Is this suspicious, though?
don_johnson wrote:also, my understanding of the case against you was that juls pointed out that your play read like an early bus gone wrong.
I have yet to see anyone explain why.
don_johnson wrote:wicked wrote: oh wait, those were the only two.
lynch this scum please.
Where did I say that?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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I forgot to explain how there are two confirmed townies. Actually, come to think of it, there is only one confirmed townie, but there is another player who is very likely town.
The role that prevented the nightkill was either a protective role or a roleblocking role. If somebody is a pro-town roleblocking role, then that means they probably roleblocked the last scum (and it might be a good idea for them to claim in this case). If it was a protective role that prevented the nightkill then the person they protected is confirmed town, because if the player that claims to be the protective role is scum, then that means everybody else, including the protected player, is town. But if the protective role is town, then they are telling the truth that the person they protected is town. The protective role in this case is the very likely townie. Either that or they are scum who deliberately didn't kill so they could try to confirm theirself as town."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Wickedestjr wrote:
in which he acts as though Juls is an obvtownie and voting her would be a brave move. Why, then, did Twistedspoon vote for Juls? Furthermore, I find it very strange how Twistedspoon voted Juls, unvoted, then voted the person Juls was voting as a result of her persuasion. It looks like heknowsJuls is town.
Read:[/area]Scum
way to mis rep
I was using their own logic, not mine when I called Juls obvtownie at that point. Back then I did not find Juls obvtownie myself.
But i was using their logic of Juls being regarded as obvtownie, not my own
and yes, Juls did persuade me
Still think plague might be scum though. His last post was rather 'Well they did it too'
VOTE: Plague
I'll vote wicked though if Juls will hammer just to make it more likely for plague scum should wicked flip town.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Also, ftr, I'm really quite frustrated with the game right now and not really enjoying it. I've been attacked before and that's no big deal. But when I try to defend myself and my defense isn't even considered, it's no fun. I'm trying to play to my win condition and get a scum lynched instead. I'm trying to defend myself. I'm trying to get you all to consider other options. But I get these kind of responses:
Juls wrote:Not convinced. Can't help but notice a lack of claim in those posts. Good with anyone who wants to hammer.
don_johnson wrote:Wickedestjr wrote:Why [is not explaining my reads suspicious]?
Because it is.
Both of these responses argue that I'm wrong, but neither explain why. So what am I supposed to do? Should I just giveup and let you lynch me?
The case against me was originally because I didn't explain my two scumreads. I explained why I did this. Trying to see who agrees with my reads and why without giving out the answers immediately. Trying to see how the suspected players react. Trying to see how other players react. All pro-town motivations. Nothing that harms the town. And Ididexplain those scumreads and Ididgive my own reasoning. Has nobody here ever played with Thesp? He does this a lot as town and he's earned a scummy for his scumhunting ability. It's a good strategy.
Now don_johnson has said that my vote looked like an early bussing attempt gone wrong. He hasn't explained why, but hehasinsisted that Juls has explained why. But no. Juls hasn't explained this and nobody has. This was the post where Juls said my vote looked like bussing:
Juls wrote:1) I am not scum
2) I didn't like his delay
3) I meant what I said, that information is gleaned from Night 1 and I am very happy we got scum regardless of how scummy it made me look. I knew it would come off scummy but I didn't really care because there was too much "I'll post soon" going on in this thread and it needed to be shaken up.
4) I still like Wicked and/or TS for scum. Vote: WickedWicked was also first on the Kalofer wagon which may have caught him in a bus situation gone awry by my early hammer.
5) I like implosion alot more for his reaction to my hammer. He was first to ask why I didn't get a claim. The way I saw it, if Kalofer was a power role he would have been more interested in saving his neck and would have claimed in his "just a sec" post instead of saying "just as sec".
I agree the neighbor should claim if there is one.
Mod: Can you verify that a Neighbor is different than a Neighborizer to you. If he was a neighborizer there is no neighbor, if he was a neighbor then there is a town neighbor out there somewhere.
No explanation given here. How am I supposed to defend? Or should I just giveup?
It's not looking like I'll be able to save myself today due to some very stubborn townies (hint: Juls and DJ), but if and when I'm lynched the gamewillcontinue. And all that I ask is that you please don't continue playing this way. Creating a case on someone and then ignoring their defense. Trying to lynch somebody in five RL days. Voting players without completely explaining why. None of these are helpful strategies. Playing this way is both going to make the game no fun and it's probably going to lose the game for town."You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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Wickedestjr wrote:I'm trying to play to my win condition and get a scum lynched instead.
contradiction
Wickedestjr wrote:I'm not completely opposed to being lynched. Ihavebeen lacking activity-wise (and I'm expecting to be V/LA again in the future, but that is a problem that can be easily solved without lynching). And lynching me also means that we get to see at least two more awesome lynch scenes!
w/e
plague is my favourite lynch
his entrance onto my wagon and wicked's looked so much like he was trying to ride on the easiest.
Plague was also suspiciously absent from the Kalofer wagon too
If wicked flips town (which I think he will) then I'll know that plague was on the 2 easy townie wagons and not only the only scum wagon
I feel plague is scum.1 Thessalonians 5:21: Test everything, but hold fast onto what is good
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Twistedspoon wrote:way to mis rep
I was using their own logic, not mine when I called Juls obvtownie at that point. Back then I did not find Juls obvtownie myself.
But i was using their logic of Juls being regarded as obvtownie, not my own
Point retracted.
Twistedspoon wrote:and yes, Juls did persuade me
I still find it strange that you would unvote Juls, somebody you suspected, and switch your vote to the person Juls was voting. Especially considering you apparently think I'm town. Do you still suspect Juls?"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
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