Dr Who - Game over

[Surye]

Okay, I caught up with what I missed. I'm willing to say that Nexus is likely Town, but his reactions at his wagon so far have been extremely scummy. Looking at his iso, he goes from trying to start a counterwagon, to weakly defending a case, to flat-out aggression, to flailing. I'll be willing to vote him once it gets a bit closer to deadline, since I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.

So which is it, do you think he is town or scum? I hope that fence post isn't hurting your ass too much

[Tarhalindur]

I see you still haven't figured it out. HINT: We're not lynching Snake today, period. That's just optimal play. Go looking for the player you think is second most likely to be scum.

What would be the point of me switching my vote to somebody else that "isn't going to be lynched today"? Besides, I already know my second and third picks for scum and if a large wagon builds up on them then I will switch my vote. Until then, I'm voting for who I think is scummiest.

Read the thread again carefully and you'll know the answer.

Do you think Nexus is scum?

I already answered this.

Whoops, I didn't see it when I was reading the post you replied to it in. Sorry about that.

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from today at 4pm EST (aka now) until Monday morning for my usual weekend duties.

Bv310 has solildified himself as theoretical Vigbait with his active lurking. I know funerals happen but his activity this game has been below my standards even for low performing BV.

Nexus’s VT claim pretty much solidifies we need to lynch either him or Snake today. Continually drawing VT claims helps solidify scum’s ability to hit Power Roles if both are Town or allows scum to blend in by claiming VT themselves (or perhaps already has).

This is good logic. It means that we are lynching Nexus today, period, because unless I'm seriously misreading something I saw earlier Snake is a completely unacceptable lynch today. The only thing that could change that would be a retraction from a certain player, and I'm not seeing it.

Actually this makes me think. What if there are more than one doctors such as the newest doctor in this game then it would make more sense if the 10th doctor is scum or a fake claim. Especially, sense it was specified that he was the tenth doctor instead of just the doctor.

Aside from the slight role-fishing (which could easily be unintentional) this is a good point about Snake’s specifc claim being the 10th Doctor.

This is correct, and if I see another Doctor claim the solidity of Snake's role name claim goes down considerably. It still doesn't affect reason 2 for not lynching Snake today.

I don't understand why you think the Tenth Doctor would be only a VT, but Wilfred wouldn't? :S

Also, as I have spent the day saying, my second lynch preference would be Surye. It always has been.

Nice strawman (Wilfred is a more believable Vanilla than the Tenth Doctor, but then claiming vanilla is easily the shakiest part of Snake's claim). The problem with your claim is that Wilfred is a likely candidate for being a scum safeclaim (not THE obvious suspect under WWTD, but pretty close), whereas the most likely way Snake is scum (in the absence of another regeneration of the Doctor appearing, at least) is if flavor allows him to be trueclaiming Tenth Doctor and still be scum.

I'm not sure whether to be worried by the Surye-scum read given that he's the second largest wagon or not. Probably a null tell, there's good reasons either way.

Okay, I caught up with what I missed. I'm willing to say that Nexus is likely Town, but his reactions at his wagon so far have been extremely scummy. Looking at his iso, he goes from trying to start a counterwagon, to weakly defending a case, to flat-out aggression, to flailing. I'll be willing to vote him once it gets a bit closer to deadline, since I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.

Maybe we should deal with Nexus tomorrow after all.

I mean, seriously. "I think player X is likely town but I'm willing to vote him once it gets closer to deadline", "more conversation that we can extract" (lengthening the day to add confusion or to extract more claims, I wonder, I wonder), summary of Nexus iso instead of analysis... oh, and lurking. Can't forget the lurking.

Like hell you're town. The only reason I'm not asking for your head on a platter immediately is because Nexus is ALSO scum and we only get one lynch a day. So I'll get your head on a platter tomorrow. (Or the rest of the town should I be killed overnight.)

HoS: bv310

[iamausername]

CES where are you

i can't see the rest of these jokers dropping a hammer any time soon

[The Rufflig]

Btw, BV310, would this more conversation have anything to do with you telling us who you think is actually scummy? Your one scum suspect was Surye about 2 weeks ago. Maybe you'd like to comment on Snake's wagon or claim? After all, if you think Nexus is town, Snake would be the other major wagon, atm.

[Surye]

CES where are you

i can't see the rest of these jokers dropping a hammer any time soon

Everyone is so afraid of being the hammer. I think a Nexus lynch now is the optimum town play. We'll get a ton of information from it and the night kill(s). As far as D1s go, this has been a good one. I don't see anything more developing from the Nexus wagon, and if you don't think he's today's lynch, you're kidding yourself.

[The Rufflig]

You misjudge me. I am not afraid of being the hammer. I was rather hoping to get BV310 to actually say something during day 1, first. It looks like it is going to fall upon my shoulders, anyhow.
The only people that can hammer are:
pappums rat: v/la
CES: v/la (Goofbash)
Nexus: isn't going to self-hammer
Zang: stuck to his snake vote
bv310: frequently absent
The Rufflig: Present

I'm going to give bv310 another day to get his thoughts in - if progress remains stalled, I'll hammer tomorrow night. It looks to me that everyone is pretty much set in their vote anyhow.

[bv310]

Okay, I caught up with what I missed. I'm willing to say that Nexus is likely

Town, but

his reactions at his wagon so far have been extremely scummy. Looking at his iso, he goes from trying to start a counterwagon, to weakly defending a case, to flat-out aggression, to flailing. I'll be willing to vote him once it gets a bit closer to deadline, since I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.

So which is it, do you think he is town or scum? I hope that fence post isn't hurting your ass too much

Ugh. Bolded should say "Scum, since". I changed my mind part way through writing that post. This week has apparently consumed my last bits of logic.

[Surye]

Okay, I caught up with what I missed. I'm willing to say that Nexus is likely

Town, but

his reactions at his wagon so far have been extremely scummy. Looking at his iso, he goes from trying to start a counterwagon, to weakly defending a case, to flat-out aggression, to flailing. I'll be willing to vote him once it gets a bit closer to deadline, since I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.

So which is it, do you think he is town or scum? I hope that fence post isn't hurting your ass too much

Ugh. Bolded should say "Scum, since". I changed my mind part way through writing that post. This week has apparently consumed my last bits of logic.

Then why not drop the hammer? Do you agree that he is today's lynch? What are you waiting on?

[The Rufflig]

Surye, would you mind pressing bv310 to actually say something today instead of challenging him to end the day?

[jasonT1981]

Ant (1) & Cogito (1) have been prodded

[Surye]

Surye, would you mind pressing bv310 to actually say something today instead of challenging him to end the day?

With his correction, was that not saying something?

[The Rufflig]

His "correction" might have been a cover for a scum slip. However, he really hasn't said anything today. You might have noticed that even though he is "caught up" that he ignored my request for his scum suspects. Townies generally want to give out there scum suspects and the reasoning behind the suspects in order to help town. bv310 isn't doing any of that. The only thing he has said since getting back is that he is willing to hammer Nexus. I think it is safe to say that he is purposely lurking and he is now on my willing to lynch list.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bv310

[jasonT1981]

Day 1 The 9th, and correct vote count

Nexus 6: Tarh,Surye,Hoppster, Username, Snake, MOI (Lynch - 1)
Snake 4: Rat, Nexus, Cogito, Zang (Lynch -3)
Surye 1: BV3
BV3 1: Ruffling


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch with a deadline set at 22nd June at 10am EST..

[Surye]

His "correction" might have been a cover for a scum slip. However, he really hasn't said anything today. You might have noticed that even though he is "caught up" that he ignored my request for his scum suspects. Townies generally want to give out there scum suspects and the reasoning behind the suspects in order to help town. bv310 isn't doing any of that. The only thing he has said since getting back is that he is willing to hammer Nexus. I think it is safe to say that he is purposely lurking and he is now on my willing to lynch list.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bv310

Interesting, you are voting for him...suspicion makes sense, but what is the goal with the vote? To start a new wagon now? I like your line of reasoning, but I can't help but feel like the vote is trying to avoid the Nexus wagon, and this close to a deadline. Especially since you felt the need to post defensively that you weren't afraid to hammer.

[The Rufflig]

Emphasis mostly. Like I said earlier, I think everyone is pretty much set in their vote already.

Day 1 The 9th, and correct vote count

@mod: Want to bet on that? My vote is on bv310 not Surye.

[Hoppster]

@ Mod: Rufflig is voting bv310, not Surye.

Ninja'd.

Oh, nice ad hom there.

Squirm some more.

Common misconceptions about Ad hominem (Wikipedia)

Do yourself a favour, read that.

Why would the prescence of other incarnations of the Doctor in this game mean that specifically the 10th Doctor makes more sense as a scum or fake claim?

The doctor is such a powerful and innocent role that it doesn't seem very likely but if there were more than one doctor then it would probably be more likely that one is scum or a fake claim. The fact that he claimed the 10th doctor instead of just The Doctor supports this.

I'm talking about

specifically the 10th Doctor

. Why did you say that specifically the 10th doctor made sense as a scum or fake claim?

Actually this makes me think. What if there are more than one doctors such as the newest doctor in this game then

it would make more sense if

the 10th doctor

is scum or a fake claim.

Especially, sense it was specified that he was the tenth doctor instead of just the doctor.

This may sound weird, but could you read what Rufflig said again and then answer it again for me please?

Why? I already answered it.

So are you going to read it again and answer it again or not? Either don't answer it again or do.

I feel like there's a bit more conversation that we can extract first.

You can start.


Rufflig: There are 4 days until deadline. Your vote puts bv310 at a mighty L-6.

Do you have the intention of running bv310 up to the 3rd claim of the day?

[Nexus]

Well how about just don't call me a twat, hm?

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Ad_hominem

[jasonT1981]

Emphasis mostly. Like I said earlier, I think everyone is pretty much set in their vote already.

Day 1 The 9th, and correct vote count

@mod: Want to bet on that? My vote is on bv310 not Surye.

HAHA Yea, you ninja'd me and when i hit post it didn't give me a preview your posting changing vote.

[The Rufflig]

@mod:

AHEM! My vote was previously on _Zang_.

mod: well the VC is correct now

[jasonT1981]

pappums rat has asked to be replaced, a search is now on.

Question to players, would you rather have a suspended night deadline if a replacement cant be found for Rat, or have a deadline extension in day 1?

[The Rufflig]

I don't think a longer day is going to help anything, mod. I vote for a suspended night deadline or should I say:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nexus

This apathy shown to a Doctor Who theme game saddens me.

[Nexus]

/o\

*forlorn Wilfred wiggle*

I honestly cannot believe the flimsy reasoning for the disintegration of the Snake wagon. If Snake's still alive tomorrow, then please, for the love of God, press him hard. He's promised to provide content, since according to him "Day 1 doesn't mean anything," so string him up if he doesn't.

Elsewhere, there must be at least another scumbag or third party role on my wagon, as it built up far too quickly with far too many people quickly hopping over (iamusername and Hoppster are particular favourites).

I think Rufflig is town. I can understand his reasons for the hammer-if I wasn't so staunchly against self-hammering as town, I would've considered it.

bv needs a kick up the arse, but he's like this in most games. I think Tar is town, even if he was misguided in his wagon. Unsure on MoI. Surye is still quite scummy. CES is...no idea. I think Zang is town.

Finally, apologies for my lack of real input in the game. Work have been taking great dumps on me from a height, and I've been in a state of tiredness for the last two weeks.

[jasonT1981]

Day 1 The 9th, and correct vote count

Nexus 7: Tarh,Surye,Hoppster, Username, Snake, MOI,Ruffling(Lynch)
Snake 4: Rat, Nexus, Cogito, Zang (Lynch -3)
Surye 1: BV3



With 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch with a deadline set at 22nd June at 10am EST..

Knock, Knock, Knock, Knock.

Nexus Bangs the window hard denying he is scum but this time knocking 4 times does not save him, it condems him to his death.However this time no one will save him, no one will listen as deadly chemicals start to filter through to the chamber you have locked him inside. He drops dead and after the chamber is decomtamanated you search his body.

Was he scum? No, just an old man and his telescope.

Nexus was Wilfred Mott, Vanilla town lynched day 1

Night deadline is suspended until a replacement for Rat is found.

Mod: I want to take this moment to say sorry for the sloppy vote count mistakes day 1. My medication is a severe sedative and makes my concentration lapse. I will be off them by the start of day 2.

[jasonT1981]

CryMeARiver replaces Rat, deadline is set at 2pm EST Wednesday 22nd June, however game will open no earlier than 48 hours

[jasonT1981]

you awake after killing the old man to find more carnage. Lying in the gutter is the body of MagnaofIllusion shot through the head. Not too far from his body was the body of Ruffling who was killed also

MagnaofIllusion was Sarah Jane Smith, Vanilla town. killed Night 1

The Rufflig was he 11th Doctor, town Doctor. Killed night 1

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch with a deadline of 13th July at 12pm EST.