Amrun wrote:VOTE: Starbuck
Let's hope there are no cults in this game.
And just exactly WHY are you bringing up cults D1?
That's NOT a random vote.
- Tar
drewoftherushes wrote:So the implication is that we have a watcher, tracker or both, perhaps rather than a finder, perhaps not. Interesting.
Antifinity wrote:drewoftherushes wrote:So the implication is that we have a watcher, tracker or both, perhaps rather than a finder, perhaps not. Interesting.
Not necessarily though. It was mentioned that this game might have some bastardish elements as long as he didn't lie to us...
vote: animorpherv1RNG. I'll probably come down on one side or the other of this cult thing, depending on how Amrun explains it.
ace5993 wrote:Vote: SpyreXfor not voting anyone. Also a serious vote.
Amrun's cult mention is horrible.
Since I don't like leaving RVS without a random vote I'll compromise with aOMGUS FoS: drewoftherushes
GreyICE wrote:Candle Jack wrote:Amrun wrote:VOTE: Starbuck
Let's hope there are no cults in this game.
And just exactly WHY are you bringing up cults D1?
Vote: Amrun
That's NOT a random vote.
- Tar
I assume a certain experience we both just suffered, and that Starbuck was included in. I'd launch into details, but it's not a mafia game that did not occur and that I certainly was never a part of.
ace5993 wrote:Candle Jack wrote:ace5993 wrote:Vote: SpyreXfor not voting anyone. Also a serious vote.
Amrun's cult mention is horrible.
Since I don't like leaving RVS without a random vote I'll compromise with aOMGUS FoS: drewoftherushes
Why SpyreX and not GreyICE or drewoftherushes, who are also not voting anyone?
drewoftherushes is voting someone, just not in that post. GreyICE at least did something to help the town in his post. Look at SpyreX's two posts and tell me how they were anything but complete fluff.
ace5993 wrote:Yeah that makes more sense GreyICE, I was struggling to understand why anyone who's ever played mafia before would say something like that >_>
LobsterCatapult wrote:vote:Pomegranate
poor persephone
@antinfinity, why RNG?
fos: candlejack
not understanding the point on drew, reaching too much with amrun imo.
Kast wrote:@CandleJack/Morph-
Opportunistic much?
@Anti/Ace-
Feeling the waters? Not liking these posts.
@GreyIce-
Please clarify if your claim is serious.
-If so, does your power ALSO prevent a watcher from seeing the ACTUAL culprit? (This should be a no-brainer to share if you're seriously claiming)
-Would your ability false track to protected and/or kill immune targets (ie. failed kill attempts)?
Kast wrote:@Greyice-
How about you cut the crap and play the game? Flailing around randomly D1 like an idiot is just going to waste time and peg you for a useless VI. If you're scum, then keep it up, but if you're town, you're just going to hurt your credibility when you try to play seriously later. In either case, you're just setting yourself up as lynch bait (either as a mislynch or a sacrificial bus) and that's clearly not playing to your win con.
drewoftherushes wrote:Candle Jack wrote:
drewoftherushes wrote:So the implication is that we have a watcher, tracker or both, perhaps rather than a finder, perhaps not. Interesting.
Really don't like this post. He's not *doing* anything.
FoS: drew
- Tar
Could you clarify here - who did I say was doing something?
Amrun wrote:My phone is. About to die so I can't finish reading the thread, but I will say this:
The last time I played with Starbuck, she outted her own cult recruiter out of butthurt. It was such an egregious example of playing against wincon that she was warned and put on probation, iirc.
I have no personal problem with Starbuck, but that warrants an RVS warning that such things will not be tolerated a second time.
Why people actually thought I was talking about cults in a way unrelated to my vote on Starbuck I don't know, but Tar needs to explain why that's a scumtell and. When I can read I will analyze sheepers (ani comes to mind).
ace5993 wrote:Candle Jack wrote:SpyreX is b) offering reads.
Care to point out where?
SpyreX is still scummier but unfortunately he doesn't have a wagon soUnvote, Vote: Kast.
SpyreX wrote:Maybe I have a condition where the combination of v o e t in the correct order causes me physical pain.
Maybe I'm an odd day treestump even day doublevig divisible by 10 jester.
Maybe I'm afraid to voet anyone because it will inevitably lead to the downfall of western civilization.
On a realer note.
Maybe its nice to see some town on page 1 and that makes me happy.
SpyreX wrote:So @CJ et al:
Here's the issue I'm bashing my head against:
GI claiming an interesting miller variant: Good
Kast asking for some fairly relevant clarifiaction: Good
GI's response to Kast: Whaaat?
Kast's response to GI: Whaaaat?
Now I'm lord of the scum teaparty paranoia but I can't see any avenue FROM THAT that isn't town/town feelings fight 2011. Scum on scum makes no sense and scum on town either way doesn't make a lot of sense.
LobsterCatapult wrote:Amrun wrote:Okay, read.
Lobster, why place an rvs vote and FoS someone in the same post?
Ani, why did you vote for me? Explain what you thought I was saying.
(Tar answered this question within the thread already.)
Kast, why did you call Grey a VI? What basis do you have for this?
Ace, why is two posts of supposed fluff a scumtell at this stage of the game?
Not really seeing the case on Kast yet, though I don't exactly like his posts, either.
i felt like i kinda missed rvs...and i wanted to participate too.
@candlejack, about amrun: i looked at it and was really confused too, i found it scummy, but they way you started to ask for votes before amrun came back to explain it came across as almost not caring what the explination was.
LobsterCatapult wrote:Kast wrote:@Greyice-
How about you cut the crap and play the game? Flailing around randomly D1 like an idiot is just going to waste time and peg you for a useless VI. If you're scum, then keep it up, but if you're town, you're just going to hurt your credibility when you try to play seriously later. In either case, you're just setting yourself up as lynch bait (either as a mislynch or a sacrificial bus) and that's clearly not playing to your win con.
where has GI flailed around here or lost credibility? he claimed and sort of explained amrun's post. It seems to me you are trying to discredit GreyIce where there doesn't seem a need to be.
Kast wrote:@Ace-
The bold means exactly what it says. GreyICE is playing as a VI and instead of responding to the questions, he flips out and calls me scum. He's setting himself up to be lynched later:
-If he is town, then he's clearly not playing to his win con and just being a VI.
-If he is scum, then he's ALSO not playing to his win con
Kast wrote:@Lobster-
Post #23 is the flailing. It has nothing to do with Amrun. GreyIce did something idiotic as town; but if he is serious town, then he can mitigate his crap-play by answering some simple questions that will help us avoid misinformation and evaluate future claims/actions/events.
Instead he flips out in ALL CAPS whining that I'm picking on his "false claim" and posting gibberish.
Kast wrote:@Candlejack-
-The whole objection to the "cult speculation" is a load of BS. *IF* you genuinely thought it was an attempt to mislead the town, then you should have let Amrun dig a hole for himself. Voting as you did prevents us from getting anything valuable that could potentially have been gotten. In this case, the *IF* doesn't apply since it was obviously not anything near as meaningful or insidious as you pretend.
-About the Amrun vote, some of us remember that scum like attacking harmless jokes or greetings as if they are legit scum tells. Just like what you are doing.
-Since Amrun clearly wasn't bringing up a cult in any manner that was at all harmful, your defense is invalid.
@Candlejack-
Is there a reason you are so paranoid and trying to make everyone else paranoid about Amrun? If you genuinely believe his comment is as harmful as you keep claiming, then there shouldn't be any reason to avoid explaining to the town why and how you think Amrun's comment could hurt us. Simply claiming "CULTS ARE TEH EVIL!!@!" doesn't cut it. Instead of just telling us Mind Screw 3 was horrible because of the cult speculation, tell us how Amrun's comment even minutely leads to what happened in Mind Screw 3.
Xylthixlm (Mafia), Mind Screw 3 wrote:The talking mod is disconcerting me.
Cults are fun. Scary, but fun. I used to have a perfect win record as cult on IRC, but then people caught on to the fact that I was the first one recruited every time there was a cult.
Assume we wouldn't have anything so sane as a normal cult. I hope that means it's weaker. Worst case, we already have three cultists.
Agreed on lynching the mod-SK immediately. Whatever "powers" Tar granted can't be good...
vote: Machiavellian-Mafia (Tarhalindur)
Xylthixlm (Mafia), Mind Screw 3 wrote:Jesters, SK, cult... survivor and lyncher should be next.
I wonder if we even have a mafia at all.
Xylthixlm (Mafia), Mind Screw 3 wrote:Basically, if there is a cult like Tar's previous one, there is now some action X such that:
* Doing X results in an immediate loss for the town, and win for the cult.
* There are an ever-increasing number of players who know what X is, and win if it happens.
For balance reasons, X would have to be something that the town would be fairly unlikely to do spontaneously, but could be persuaded into.
Until we know for sure what the cult win condition is, we should be very careful.
GreyICE wrote:Antifinity wrote:StevieT92 wrote:
What is a RNG? never heard that term before or maybe i am rusty.
RNG. I used a random number generator for my first vote because I was in a hurry.
I'm convinced this cult-wagon-thing is nuts, and everyone involved is crazy.
The miller thing is more serious, and for flavor reasons, I'm inclined to believe it.
I'm going to put my less random vote on Candle Jack, for caring far too muchvote: Candle Jack
Candle Jack is my mason buddy. I get mad when you vote for my mason buddies. Who would you say is floating on the sidelines and needs serious pressure?
PEdit: Drew those questions were still noise designed to look town, they were stupid as SIN.
GreyICE wrote:Nocmen wrote:Masons now too? Why the hell would you outthat factfor no good reason?
Unvote, Vote: GreyICE
LobsterCatapult wrote:GreyICE wrote:Nocmen wrote:Masons now too? Why the hell would you outthat factfor no good reason?
Unvote, Vote: GreyICE
i missed this too.
unvote
vote:nocmen
i cant see why town would automatically just take this at face value like this. coupled with his 2 scenarios post afterwards, i think its scummy.
GreyICE wrote:Candle Jack wrote:Oh right, since GreyICE has indicated that his mason claim with me was a joke (a supremely anti-town joke, I should note - DON'T do it again) and the rest of his play indicates he's town, I need to unvote him now.
Will not be taking this advice. Why was it anti-town to suggest that someone needs to put his vote somewhere useful?
Amrun wrote:Oh, "the fact" thing is weak, but I still find Nocmen scummy otherwise.
Lobstersheep is very bad - torn between the two.
GreyICE wrote:Candle Jack wrote:GreyICE wrote:Candle Jack wrote:Oh right, since GreyICE has indicated that his mason claim with me was a joke (a supremely anti-town joke, I should note - DON'T do it again) and the rest of his play indicates he's town, I need to unvote him now.
Will not be taking this advice. Why was it anti-town to suggest that someone needs to put his vote somewhere useful?
It's not what you were trying to do, but how you did it. Savvy?
Not really. You're town I trust day 1 to the level that you might as well be a mason with me, I shan't be voting for you nor vocalizing such today. So it's like 50/50 joke/observation.
Stevie is a lot more scum than LC.
StevieT92 wrote:Bringing up cults is most definitely a scum tell, it is an attempt to derail the D1 discussion. And, even though it was "justified" as a mention of another game, that still was a (fairly successful) attempt to keep us talking about unimportant things. For that reason, I willVote: Amrun. Also, pretty much all of Amrun's posts have been defending himself about this issue, besides one post where he calls the Kast wagon bad - again this is a large post count that really isn't contributing anything pro-town.
I'm not getting a really scummy read of Kast, but I don't think the wagon is completely unfounded, however I wouldn't like it to see it get out of hand.
FoS: GreyIcefor not answering legitimate questions. If you do not get on that it will turn into a vote. I have some questions for you myself:
Why did you choose to claim D1 being completely unprompted? Not that this is necessarily a scum tell I simply don't get your motivation.
Why did you claim your role power without claiming what character you were?
StevieT92 wrote:Town gains nothing by rushing for a quick lynch. Also you really haven't offered any significant criticisms of Kast, besides your sarcastic responses and posting about how much you want him lynched.
StevieT92 wrote:unvote, vote: GreyIce
Multiple posts, still hasn't answered the many legitimate and direct questions. Instead he did a pointless fake sarcastic claim which serves no purpose. Answer the questions, defend yourself against the points against you. Ignoring them is a sure route to getting lynched. You are doing a good job of scumhunting, and made a good point about Pomegrant's fos and vote. However, ignoring everyone who is criticizing you is very scummy.
As for Amrun, what he did is a scumtell. I'm quite sick of this debate but I believe its a scum tell, and worth a vote at that stage of the game. Not everyone in this game agrees with this, and frankly its been debated to death so I'm going to try and move past it. His recent posts have been good.
This is called the difference between 'looking for scum' and 'looking for things you can call scummy.' This is 100% the latter, and he's already claimed he knows what he's doing and is not a noob with a list of wiki shit.
Your vote would be a LOT more productive on this scumbag.
StevieT92 wrote:Bringing up cults is most definitely a scum tell, it is an attempt to derail the D1 discussion. And, even though it was "justified" as a mention of another game, that still was a (fairly successful) attempt to keep us talking about unimportant things. For that reason, I willVote: Amrun. Also, pretty much all of Amrun's posts have been defending himself about this issue, besides one post where he calls the Kast wagon bad - again this is a large post count that really isn't contributing anything pro-town.
I'm not getting a really scummy read of Kast, but I don't think the wagon is completely unfounded, however I wouldn't like it to see it get out of hand.
What is a RNG? never heard that term before or maybe i am rusty.
FoS: GreyIcefor not answering legitimate questions. If you do not get on that it will turn into a vote. I have some questions for you myself:
Why did you choose to claim D1 being completely unprompted? Not that this is necessarily a scum tell I simply don't get your motivation.
Why did you claim your role power without claiming what character you were?
On a completely unrelated note, I will be going to the beach this thursday and friday so I will not post on either of those days.
Steve
StevieT92 wrote:FoS: Candlejackfor jumping onto LobsterCatapult and then jumping onto me. Not an OMGUS: i hadn't posted in between your voting, so if you had intended to vote me then why didn't you just do that?
SpyreX wrote:Alrighty time to get back in the saddle after the crazy day.
First things first:
Enough people have posted that I've got no problem outing the whole deal:
Right before that VC, I got a PM saying something was intruding into my mind. Combine that with the paranoia of the VC error AND being tired and you get farther fetched ideas roaming around like it being a placement swap.
As it sits, I'm thinking that was a scum rolecop or something of that nature. I'd be flabbergasted if it was a town action.
I want this wagon to go through. Like I said I've claimed hammertime and dont think I'm gonna him and haw or wait for a claim for it.
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On the other side and I'll quantify (or try where applicable) some of these reads but on the short list: ace, zel1nk, LC.
On the more awesome list: CJ, GI, Amrun, Kast, Tajo
Kast wrote:Why the hell would you think this? That's absolutely, completely 100% against everything I posted. Your posts show you are capable of giving good town play, but despite being capable of it you are NOT giving it (ie. you are probably not town).
Amrun wrote:ITT I have a gay boyfriend <3
Interested in hearing what Stevie has to say, but stop with the Stevie votes. Nocmen votes are sooo much sexier.
StevieT92 wrote:vollkan wrote:
Stevie wrote:
I'm not going to claim until the 8 or so players who haven't really posted or just got subbed into the game post their thoughts.
Reason being?
Reason being that there are a lot of them. I want to see what the have to say before i claim.
@spyrex please show me some respect and don't lynch me before i claim. I will claim.
malth wrote:He also seems to ignore defending himself, which makes more sense for a townie player then a scum player.
I also have good gut feeling that this is probably a mislynch, but unless Stevie has one hell of a claim (and now, don't do any retarded stalling!) I won't mind him being lynched at all.
I think you being on Stevie's wagon is trying to get you townie points if stevie flips town, if not (unlikely) you can always refer to your post that you ISOed him for, and be like. seriously, he was looking this scummy, this is how i got my vote. i
in fact, the only thing that i can think of that would weaken you being scum in my mind is amrun looking so scummy.
vollkan wrote:Iecerint wrote:And yeah, Rei's one of the 3 main characters, and an extremely popular one.
It's conceivable, if a longshot, that she could be scum, since she's a vessel for an Angel. She could also be a fakeclaim for someone like Kaworu, since they're both vessels for Angels, but he's a 3rd party one and she's pretty much town, albeit with blue and orange morality.
Also, nameclaim of a major character + refusal to fullclaim suggests a safeclaim.Though, Tar seems to think there is a good reason to unvote, so Stevie should NOT be hammered until Tar has elaborated.
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Doesn't even need to be a safeclaim, Tar.
The flavor means nothing in this game, and in the mod rule set, it directly states that nothing can be speculated about the setup from the role flavor.
ace5993 wrote:Yeah lynching a Rei claim day 1 is dumb. I don't think you need to go into intense setup speculation to figure out that lynching a claim of the most popular character in the source material right at the start of the game is stupid. He shouldn't claim his ability right now if scum knowing the ability lessens it's effect.
populartajo wrote:candlejack, volkan, spyrex, ladylambadelta and iec
thoughts of lobster in following post pretty plz
SpyreX wrote:Siiighh. That phraseology oozes a specific role that kind of makes sense with the claim.
I'm willing to give it a tiny bit but I guarantee I know this will end inevitably with a rope.
My gut (and its JUST gut) says one of the main 3 characters are going to be a fakeclaim but we'll see.
@tajo:
On the other side and I'll quantify (or try where applicable) some of these reads but on the short list: ace, zel1nk, LC.
Nocmen wouldn't be a bad vig at this point.
I'd prefer ace to LC buttttt I was thinking ace far more as a defender of scum-stewie the mechapowerrole. It could be just running shield for town-stewie though.
SpyreX wrote:SpyreX: Why aren't you reading the thread? There's two things here that make no sense if you've been reading the thread.
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*notes "mechapowerrole* for personal reference*
Lemme check our notes. There's about 5-6 players who are pinging scumdar and I have no idea which to go after (especially since Ludi reads Ace 418 as VI rather than scum).
- Tar
Admittedly I skimmed from being gone quite a bit but I don't think I missed anything that huge?
I saw stewies claim and the way he claimed it AND the name he claimed makes me think of a very specific role.
What parts are the issue in case I DID miss something or worded something poorly, which could very well be.
malthusis wrote:There's just something about Stevie's playstyle that seems to really clash with playstyle scum should have. Normally scum either stay in the weeds and try to appear inconspicious, or try to appear really pro-town to help manipulate lynches. Stevie seems to have tried to be helpful to the town by trying to making a case on someone, but seemed to trip on his own feet somewhere in saying it. If he was scum, why wouldn't have he just backed away as soon as he started messing up instead of just making more mistakes? He also seems to ignore defending himself, which makes more sense for a townie player then a scum player.
I also have good gut feeling that this is probably a mislynch, but unless Stevie has one hell of a claim (and now, don't do any retarded stalling!) I won't mind him being lynched at all.
SpyreX wrote:Hmmm ok I feel better about you no vigs would be good.
Here's the thing though:
The last post? It only makes sense for scum-ace in the two scenarios I talked about before - scum-stewie the PR needing to live or white knighting the hell out of a mislynch for cred.
I can't see white knighting this early in a large.
Nocmen wrote:Malth:
Also votes for Grey like I did following the mason claim.
Calls out Stevie for stalling.
However, the main piece of suspicion (besides the lack of posts) is the fact that he calls Stevie "probably a mislynch", but wouldnt care if he got lynched. Not liking that.
I want to hear a lot more regarding his opinions on others this game.
Nocmen wrote:GreyICE wrote:Okay, I hate to piss on everyone's party, because I love this alliance, but I'm smelling town off LC. Not to toot my own horn, but I've seen scum LC before, called him midway through day 1 in SHR and this just ain't it.
My number one problem with LC was that his vote was sitting orphened on Malthusis (who had given me no reason to think he was town so it wasn't a terribad vote) until Mathusis started to build noise then he moved it over to Amrun. However, if we assume Malthusis is town, there's no scum motivation behind that move, and suddenly LC gets a whole lot less scummy for me. Besides which I think the reasoning in ISO #4,5, and 16 feels somewhat town.
I'd rather see a wagon on Amrun, or failing that do another reread with new info.
And why do you think Malth is town?
StevieT92 wrote:Let's hear you claim, Lobster.
LobsterCatapult wrote:Candle Jack wrote:LC, I have asked you about your level of knowledge of Evangelion. Respond or else.
- Tar
sorry must have missed that
i watched the anime (or most episodes) a long time ago. i remember rei, shinji and asuka were the main characters/eva users and worked for nerv the like, preventers of the attacks on neo-tokyo. i remember other angels coming down and attacking tokyo and they fought them. i remember it was really confusing, shinji has serious daddy issues, and the ending was weird monlogues then like a party or something. i remember i liked the major girl with the long dark hair who got drunk a bunch. kisuragi? rei was pretty unemotional, shinji whined all the time, and asuka was aggro. remember asuka was randomly in a bathtub in a destroyed house.
so i dont remember too much other than random details and the really main characters, and the begining plot.
ace5993 wrote:Yeah lynchinga Rei claimday 1 is dumb. I don't think you need to go into intense setup speculation to figure out that lynching a claim of the most popular character in the source material right at the start of the game is stupid. He shouldn't claim his ability right now if scum knowing the ability lessens it's effect.
LobsterCatapult, post 516 wrote:and i think him being so vehement on not lynching "a rei" d1 could be determental
LobsterCatapult wrote:Candle Jack wrote:LobsterCatapult wrote:Candle Jack wrote:LC, I have asked you about your level of knowledge of Evangelion. Respond or else.
- Tar
sorry must have missed that
i watched the anime (or most episodes) a long time ago. i remember rei, shinji and asuka were the main characters/eva users and worked for nerv the like, preventers of the attacks on neo-tokyo. i remember other angels coming down and attacking tokyo and they fought them. i remember it was really confusing, shinji has serious daddy issues, and the ending was weird monlogues then like a party or something. i remember i liked the major girl with the long dark hair who got drunk a bunch. kisuragi? rei was pretty unemotional, shinji whined all the time, and asuka was aggro. remember asuka was randomly in a bathtub in a destroyed house.
so i dont remember too much other than random details and the really main characters, and the begining plot.
I see. Followup question:
ace5993 wrote:Yeah lynchinga Rei claimday 1 is dumb. I don't think you need to go into intense setup speculation to figure out that lynching a claim of the most popular character in the source material right at the start of the game is stupid. He shouldn't claim his ability right now if scum knowing the ability lessens it's effect.
LobsterCatapult, post 516 wrote:and i think him being so vehement on not lynching "a rei" d1 could be determental
Note the difference in the bolded parts of the above posts. Lobster: Is this difference intentional?
(Yes, this is going somewhere.)
well, to me, stevie could have claimed either one of the most popular characters, like asuka, shinji or rei, and i still would have questioned it since i think even the most popular roles that are town aligned could be a safeclaim. i think automatically ruling them out of a safeclaim could be deterimental to town because we need to think about his pots, his case, how he claimed, in conjunction to the claim itself to really critically think. to rule out that rei could be a safeclaim would be not thinking about all the angles.
um, after writing this, i realized i prolly misread what you were asking. it wasn't intentional, i dont remember why i left out the word claim. it was either because stevie wasn't/isn't confirmed to be rei, or i was lazy. probably both.
Kast wrote:@Spyrex-
I'd guess scum exist within the bloc in the same ratio that they exist in any randomly selected sample of players. I don't have any particular scum reads on individual members of your/LLD's proclaimed town bloc; most of you have been playing in a pretty neutral/null range.
I specifically named LLD because she is blatantly exemplifying all the negative aspects of any self-declared townie-voting-bloc and is one of the ardent attack dogs of anyone who even hints at disagreement. I'm specifically addressing LLD more in depth than others because she posted a blatantly untrue and clearly unthought through WTF?!?! dismissal of my catch up post. Then instead of being honest and admitting her mistake, she tried pushing BS misrepresentations and anti-town stalling/distractions.
Does that mean she is scum? Not necessarily. She certainly hasn't been as scummy as ace, LC, Noc, or Malthusis. What I've pointed out is more secondary tells; identification of what could potentially be scummy behavior but does not in and of itself indicate that LLD is particularly likely to be scum. I also want to be clear that LLD is NOT the sole participant in such behavior. Part of my focus on LLD is simply a penchant for engaging people who try to engage with BS.
That reminds me to post/update my lynch preference ordering (entries within each heading do not indicate ordinal preference)
Preferred Lynch:
Nocmen
ace5993
LobsterCatapult
malthusis
Acceptable Lynch:
Candle Jack
Lady Lambdadelta
drewoftherushes
Ambivalent:
GreyICE
Antifinity
populartajo
Kawaii
Surye
Celebloki
ZeL1nK
Pomegranate
GhostWriter
Beats No Lynch:
vollkan
SpyreX
Iecerint
Starbuck
Amrun
StevieT92
Loses to No Lynch:If you have anyone in this category other than yourself or perhaps a mason buddy, then you're failing at mafia
Kast
P-Edit: @LC-
You are assigning a lot of motive to my posts that just isn't there and just isn't supported by what I've actually posted.
I'll try to take some time tomorrow to re-outline my reasons for suspecting you. At the moment, it's pretty similar to the thoughts I originally listed for why I listed you as probable scum. If you have an objection with me listing you as scum, please address the reasons I provided.
Kast wrote:@Noc-
I looked back at my list this morning and couldn't recall why drew was in that category in the first place. I moved him to reflect that.
@GreyICE-
If by anyone, you mean GreyICE and Candlejack, then you are correct that I have criticized this many times. It stands as true now as it did when I first posted it. If you are extending this to multiple other players, then please back up your claim.GI wrote:that anyone who vocally disagrees with you and criticizes your reads or play is suffering from a 'bruised ego' / 'is a bad player' / 'is arrogant' / 'doesn't like being taken down a peg.' This is from our first disagreement on page 1.
CJ has been the primary player using the crap-logic tack that anyone disagreeing with him is scum (I was his sole exception that he tried milking for credit, until now).
@CJ-
-Disagreeing with someone's playstyle is not a scumtell. If you dislike my criticism of your playstyle, how about addressing my criticisms instead of just saying "anyone who questions me is scum".
-Clarify what you dislike about my list of reads (aside from your irrational devotion to Noc). How does it look like a scum list? Content, format, timing, consistency...?
-Calling me scummy fordisagreeingwith your townread that you've claimed is based on spotting a tell/crumb/softclaim is ridiculous. If you think any of the points on Noc are bad, then address those. As yet, you've gone from saying you saw something that shows Noc is town, to just saying Noc is obv-town, to saying anyone who even suspects Noc is scummy for suspecting him.
SpyreX wrote:Why in the hell is this thread so dead?
SpyreX wrote:See this guys?
THIS exemplifies what I expected to happen. Look at whats going on here.
SpyreX wrote:By my count, Kast is still at L-1. Comments on that given your early breadcrumbs, SpyreX?
Breadcrumbs?
SpyreX wrote:Maybe I have a condition where the combination of v o e t in the correct order causes me physical pain.
Maybe I'm an odd day treestump even day doublevig divisible by 10 jester.
Maybe I'm afraid to voet anyone because it will inevitably lead to the downfall of western civilization.
On a realer note.
Maybe its nice to see some town on page 1 and that makes me happy.
SpyreX wrote:
I fail to see how this reaction is a bad thing - the possibility of such a reaction was the secondary reason behind my vote.
Which is all well and good but:
Kast (9) - Lady Lambdadelta, GreyICE, Antifinity, Iecerint, GhostWriter,StevieT92, LobsterCatapult, populartajo,ace5993
See those, together? That's the teaparty. They play slappywags but when the chips are down look which way it goes.
I'm interested in seeing how this Kast wagon disperses.
malthusis wrote:I am Misato Katsuragi, Action-Immune One-Shot Vigilante.
My abilities are:
Airstrike (Kill) - As the commander of tactical operations, you can call in an airstrike to bombard enemy targets. During night phases, you may attempt to kill another player. You may only use this ability once during the game.
Lost (Action Immunity) - You do not possess a very good sense of direction, and get lost easily in the corridors of Nerv HQ. Though you maintain radio contact with other personnel, nobody can seem to locate you when needed. Any active abilities that target you, either directly or indirectly, will be unsuccessful. This is a passive ability.
GreyICE wrote:Candle Jack wrote:Still loathe to kill Rei, and I think I know what he's claiming, but a double check won't go amiss so here's a compromise position:
Stevie, please identify your role class (manipulative, protective, investigative, killing, or special action; manipulative modifies one or more target players' actions, protective modifies actions targeting one or more players, special actions). This should still prevent scum from knowing what your role does.
- Tar
Hey Tar, new flavor of the week is 'lets not let the town learn anything from roles, trololol.' Like, scum with a dayvig ability, scum with tracking, scum with all sorts of random shit.
GreyICE wrote:I do not for one millisecond believe that all three players who claimed are town. One. Millisecond. The odds that all three claims are town who just happen to have really confirmable roles and are ALSO playing similar to scum are 0. ZERO.
This is downright role fishing with wagons at this point. Kast has some complex ability thatcan'tgo to scum, obv obv obv, so he's not scum despite playing just like it. Stevie has a nifty fakeclaim that he didn't even claim so he must be town, trololol. Malthusis claimed FUCKING BULLETPROOF VIGILANTE. And lets unvote, trololol.
Yeah this ain't three townies. I wouldn't be surprised if it ain't ONE townie.
GreyICE wrote:SpyreX wrote:Come on now his is the "easiest" to confirm.
We give him a nice little list and those die.
If more than than die later we know.
If those don't die we know.
And scum claiming vig? Wooooo nelly.
Untargetable (bulletproof) vig doesn't ring ANY bells SpyreX?
vollkan wrote:Tar wrote:
DIE DIE DIE MR. SCUMCLAIM WHOSE CLAIMED ROLENAME IS THE MOST LIKELY SAFECLAIM IN THE ENTIRE GAME IMO.
Seriously, untargetable + vig + Misato = no mercy.
What's the reasoning behind the Misato point?
StevieT92 wrote:woops i posted on page 33 and missed his claim. eek. umm yeah my role is protective. I am very, very, against a massclaim in this game. Firstly, it's not fun to me, to be honest. Secondly, from what I've seen from the powers that the town will have for the next couple days the scum also have some powerful abilities as well so outing all the power roles with a massclaim might not even be in our favor. Us power roles have already been given enough people to target tonight we cannot possibly deal with the guessing game that would happen if the scum know everyone's role.
also, did malthusis just get confirmed by the mod? lolwut.
Thirdly, DO NOT DO CANDLEJACK'S PLAN. that is all.
SpyreX wrote:Untargetable (bulletproof) vig doesn't ring ANY bells SpyreX?
I'm tired help me out here.
Seriously though what scum goes SUP I AM VIG unless there's waaacky mechanics at play?
vollkan wrote:Zel wrote:
I have issues with that claim. You may call in an Airstrike to bombard enemy targets. Keyword: "targets". But you're a one-shot? Also, I don't see how being completely untargetable could possibly be a town ability. Immunity to every investigative ability, every killing ability, every ability full-stop? That sounds more like some sort of godfather/serial killer ability. If you don't die today, you need to die somewhere down the line.
The "targets" point is weaker (though, the flavour point about airstriking not being something that fits with the show is correct, from as little as I remember about the show) and a reasonable error, but legitimate. The immunity ability itself point is, the more I think about it, not a "town" role.