Mini 1183: Mafiamatical Mathia - Game over!

[implosion]

plague, whether it was a roleblock or a protection, it would be due to the jailkeeper.
Juls, neighbors are not masons. Neighbors are alignment-unconfirmed masons.
Twisted, I guess they thought I was a power role. I wouldn't have killed me. I really don't know.

[implosion]

There are only three possible explanations that I can think of for the lack of kills.

1) don prevented them both. The most likely.
2) donscum is faking jailkeeper and no-killed twice to substantiate his claim. A fair amount less likely.
3) scum have no kill, which would make don likely scum. This is however the least likely possibility.

[Juls]

Calling them neighbors would just be semantics because obviously in a 9 person game you would only have one scum team which basically makes them Scum Masons. How exactly would they be alignment unconfirmed as both scum?

[implosion]

Calling them neighbors would just be semantics because obviously in a 9 person game you would only have one scum team which basically makes them Scum Masons. How exactly would they be alignment unconfirmed as both scum?

Masons are alignment-confirmed neighbors. I see what you mean, but the term mason only applies to pro-town roles. And regardless, Kalofer flipped neighbor.

I get that your argument is that if Morthas was also scum, they would be called masons and not neighbors (at least i think that's what you're saying) but masons are strictly pro-town afaik. Actually, I shouldn't say that since I was in a scum-mason group once, but we didn't know we were scum and it was a theme SO. In normal terms, i'm pretty sure masons have to be town.

This is kind of no true scotsman, but masons are generally thought of as a group of players who are all town and all know that each other are town. Neighbors are a group of players who can night-talk, and that's the only special thing about that group of players. They could, theoretically, be alignment-confirmed to each other for reasons outside the neighborhood (like having one be a cop and investigate another, or having two neighbors be scum together and just using the "neighbor" designation to indicate that they can chat).

It's still unlikely, but I don't think it's impossible.

[don_johnson]

vote: implosion

similar to juls plan, but:

we lynch implosion. town flip means i jail juls. cop investigates juls.

if i die, lynch the cop. if he flips town, we should have enough clears to win 2:1 lylo.

godfather screws this plan, but godfather screws any plan. no?

[implosion]

jailing and investigating the same person is definitely bad. It would essentially squander two pseudo-confirmations on the same person. If there was a kill, juls would be clear with or without a cop innocent.

Lynch me, jail juls, investigate morthas. I think it's the best plan (well obviously, I'd rather lynch someone else, but in this situation I'm going to be lynched at some point if we don't get scum first).

Also, godfather doesn't really screw every plan. We have to use a combination of role-info and scumhunting to find scum. We are definitely

not

going to play follow-the-cop.

VOTE: plague. I still think he's the most likely scum, even with oopid's claim. I still can't see juls hammering that lynch on a scumbuddy... when I flip town if i'm lynched, then the best move would be (IMO):

oopid investigates morthas, don jails juls.

Are people okay with that plan for tonight?

[Juls]

Again, if you want to jail me tonight, I would rather you lynch me so we don't waste your jail and you die.

[Hoppster]

Day 3, Votecount 3

theplague42 - 1

[L - 3]

(implosion)

Twistedspoon - 1

[L - 3]

(theplague42)

Morthas - 0

[L - 4]

Juls - 0

[L - 4]

implosion - 2

[L - 2]

(Twistedspoon, don_johnson)

don_johnson - 0

[L - 4]

Oopidstay - 0

[L - 4]

No Lynch - 0

[L - 4]

Not Voting - 3 (Morthas, Juls, Oopidstay)

Deadline: Monday July 4th at 23:00 BST

Time left:

(expired on 2011-07-04 18:00:00)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[don_johnson]

lets just lynch juls then.

[Juls]

That's fine, lets plan it out before voting first though ok?

[Twistedspoon]

I don't want to lynch Juls

[Twistedspoon]

That's fine, lets plan it out before voting first though ok?

scum do not say 'that's fine' to their own lynch

[Juls]

My suggestion is to jail implosion again. If we clear him, lynch plague. If we don't clear him, lynch implosion and jail plague the following night.

[implosion]

This is kind of an annoying situation. I'm like 95ish% sure that juls, don, and oopid are all town just based on towntells. That means that it's most likely either a godfather or scum neighbors. I really think it's a godfather.

It's annoying... the only think that would make this game make sense is if plague is godfather. Nothing else makes sense. Everyone else has to be town >_>.

Juls: jailing you and don dying is by no means at all a waste - it would clear you. Why exactly is it a waste?

[Juls]

Losing don loses a big advantage for us I would rather keep don and lose myself than lose our confirmation tool. I personally would rather us lynch plague and jail you but I am not going to fight my lynch if it keeps don alive.

[implosion]

How does your lynch keep don alive?

[don_johnson]

plague

is

the scummiest...

[Juls]

Because he will be jailing someone else tonight.

[Juls]

It increases the percentage chance he will survive. His chance of surviving if I am jailed is 0%.

[theplague42]

I'm willing to be lynched. I'll be V/LA from 6/27-7/2 anyways, so I'm good with that if it's necessary.

[Oopidstay]

@don: If you jailkeep someone, does that prevent

all

night actions from affecting them, or just nightkills?

I'm thinking we should lynch implosion, but don should jailkeep plague tonight. More on this when I have time.

[don_johnson]

unvote

i want to hear this.

[theplague42]

What purpose does the jailkeep serve other than preventing the NK!

[theplague42]

Sorry that was supposed to be a question mark. Stupid iPhone.

Also, I get it. An NK clears the jailed person, no-NK doesn't clear them but keeps PRs alive. Gotcha.

[Juls]

Jailkeep blocks and protects the target. It should be used as a roleblock from this point forward.