Charlie the Unicorn Mafia (GAME OVER)

Rhinox · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:51 am

RC wrote:Opinion:
Reaper: Nacho (or anyone really) would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.
Nacho: Hey, Hiraki left the wagon to follow me, and he was town. Therefore I am town.
Rhinox: If Nacho would have lynched me, we'd have blown MYLO. Because I am town.

You're off-track on all 3 of these.

How can you hold your opinion true since Hiraki jumped off the same wagon and wasn't scum?
Nacho is not arguing he's town, he's arguing your scum-tell is not valid.
Regardless of the situation yesterday, I have a big problem using the fact the nacho caused a no-lynch instead of mislynch as a scum-tell.

Let me ask you this: what makes nacho jumping off my wagon yesterday scummy?

RC wrote:The only thing you have used to try to find scum so far are 1. going after lurkers, and 2. PoE based on self-knowledge. i.e. WHAT SCUM DO.

I haven't gone after lurkers. To be going after lurkers I'd have to be trying to get someone lynched specifically because they're lurking. THAT'S the tell. Just because I've identified someone who has to be scum (if some other conditions are met) and they happen to be lurking/inactive doesn't mean I'm committing the "going after lurkers" tell. If you refuse to see the difference, you're either scum, or an idiot.

Also, town uses self-knowledge all the time. In what world is that a scum tell? I recently singlehandedly lost a game for town because I was in a lylo situation with 2 scum alive and didn't realize that a certain string of events that happened proved that another player was scum with 100% certainty from my POV. I got chastised pretty hard post game by other town players for not realizing that. So again, now you're either scum making up tells, or an idiot.

RC wrote:Another thing you seem loath to discuss is the fact that there were three deaths last night. i.e. at LEAST two kills, with one of them causing another lover to suicide. So what do you think it is? A vigilante? A serial killer? Two scum groups of two? I admit, I am heavily leaning towards the last option at this point, because for the life of me, I cannot connect a third buddy to you and Nacho.

How come you haven't mentioned this, either?

Wow "loathe to discuss", eh? Thats what I'm doing? nevermind...

2 scum groups of 2 isn't likely IMO because there have not been cross kills. There was also only 1 kill N1. That rules out an SK as well. Also, no lynches and game lethargy don't happen when there are 2 scum groups - each scum group wants to get the other lynched. I had originally assumed that krypt was the scumkill and a 1-shot vig took out zod/hiraki.

Regardless, 3 scum makes today lylo, and the other options (2+2, 3+1) means we're pretty much screwed even if we lynch scum today without some crosskill magic helping us out, so yeah. We should probably have massclaimed by now today actually.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:09 am

Nachomamma8 wrote:NS is town due to voting one of me and you in RC's mind. He'd be terrified to call someone on his side scum, after all.

My point about Hiraki is that RC's tell is not the IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE he preesents it as. It is also the only reason he has presented against me being scum, despite his incredible confidence of me being scum.

Again, more focusing on discounting the case against himself than he is on finding scum and lynching them.

lolscum.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:54 am

Rhinox wrote:
RC wrote:Opinion:
Reaper: Nacho (or anyone really) would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.
Nacho: Hey, Hiraki left the wagon to follow me, and he was town. Therefore I am town.
Rhinox: If Nacho would have lynched me, we'd have blown MYLO. Because I am town.

You're off-track on all 3 of these.

How can you hold your opinion true since Hiraki jumped off the same wagon and wasn't scum?

A sophisticated combination of having played with Nacho before, gut, common sense, and the obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Rhinox wrote:Nacho is not arguing he's town, he's arguing your scum-tell is not valid.

Same difference.

Rhinox wrote:Regardless of the situation yesterday, I have a big problem using the fact the nacho caused a no-lynch instead of mislynch as a scum-tell.

Let me ask you this: what makes nacho jumping off my wagon yesterday scummy?

FACE.

PALM.

No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% undesirable for town. All it does is inject WIFOM, and we get no info from flips.
No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% undesirable for scum, if the lynch would otherwise be a townie.
No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% DESIRABLE for scum, if a mislynch cannot be had, and a scumbuddy would otherwise die.

ERGO.

NACHO IS SCUM.

YOU ARE HIS BUDDY.

Rhinox wrote:
RC wrote:The only thing you have used to try to find scum so far are 1. going after lurkers, and 2. PoE based on self-knowledge. i.e. WHAT SCUM DO.

I haven't gone after lurkers. To be going after lurkers I'd have to be trying to get someone lynched specifically because they're lurking. THAT'S the tell. Just because I've identified someone who has to be scum (if some other conditions are met) and they happen to be lurking/inactive doesn't mean I'm committing the "going after lurkers" tell. If you refuse to see the difference, you're either scum, or an idiot.

......

SAME DIFFERENCE.

Rhinox wrote:Also, town uses self-knowledge all the time. In what world is that a scum tell? I recently singlehandedly lost a game for town because I was in a lylo situation with 2 scum alive and didn't realize that a certain string of events that happened proved that another player was scum with 100% certainty from my POV. I got chastised pretty hard post game by other town players for not realizing that. So again, now you're either scum making up tells, or an idiot.

Again with the "scum or idiot" ultimatum. lol

What I'm SAYING, is that there's no possible way that YOU are gonna convince ME that you're town, and by extension there's no possible way that YOU can convince ME that Stefunny and Pulindar are scum.

Maybe it is only happy coincidence that the two people you're 100% sure are scum are also the two people that are 100% lurking. I don't know. But it seems pretty darn convenient to go after them solely on the basis of something involving their (supposedly feigned) absence, when it's obvious that they're *actually* gone.

Rhinox wrote:
RC wrote:Another thing you seem loath to discuss is the fact that there were three deaths last night. i.e. at LEAST two kills, with one of them causing another lover to suicide. So what do you think it is? A vigilante? A serial killer? Two scum groups of two? I admit, I am heavily leaning towards the last option at this point, because for the life of me, I cannot connect a third buddy to you and Nacho.

How come you haven't mentioned this, either?

2 scum groups of 2 isn't likely IMO because there have not been cross kills.

Well wouldn't this also then rule out 3 scum + 1 SK? herp derp

Rhinox wrote:There was also only 1 kill N1. That rules out an SK as well.

Why? Ever heard of a doctor or roleblocker? herp derp

Rhinox wrote:Also, no lynches and game lethargy don't happen when there are 2 scum groups - each scum group wants to get the other lynched. I had originally assumed that krypt was the scumkill and a 1-shot vig took out zod/hiraki.

Legitimate point, but the other two stand as well.

Rhinox wrote:Regardless, 3 scum makes today lylo, and the other options (2+2, 3+1) means we're pretty much screwed even if we lynch scum today without some crosskill magic helping us out, so yeah. We should probably have massclaimed by now today actually.

We're pretty screwed regardless of if we lynch scum today, unless crosskills help us out, but there's only one scum faction?

*SHOOTS SELF IN HEAD, THEN TURNS GUN ON RHINOX*

You are making less sense than [insert clever simile about not making sense here].

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:08 am

@mod: Any word from Pulindar/Stefunny?

Replacements BEFORE deadline would be tech.

Rhinox · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:33 am

A sophisticated combination of having played with Nacho before, gut, common sense, and the obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

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Reaper: Nacho (or anyone really) would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

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Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

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Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

Reaper: anyone would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

Reaper: Hiraki would only hop off a wagon at deadline as scum.

obvious fact that Hiraki was town.

for fucks sake...

RC wrote:FACE.

PALM.

No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% undesirable for town. All it does is inject WIFOM, and we get no info from flips.
No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% undesirable for scum, if the lynch would otherwise be a townie.
No-lynching on Day 2 is 100% DESIRABLE for scum, if a mislynch cannot be had, and a scumbuddy would otherwise die.

ERGO.

NACHO IS SCUM.

YOU ARE HIS BUDDY.

Well then you're logic is broken, because whether you believe it or not, I'm town. One of those 3 statements of truth is obviously false, and you being unwilling to even consider your logic as possibly being wrong makes you either an idiot or scum.

RC wrote:Rhinox wrote:
Nacho is not arguing he's town, he's arguing your scum-tell is not valid.

Same difference.

No its not. Arguing that an invalid scumtell is null is not the same as arguing that something that is null is a town tell.

Rhinox wrote:
RC wrote:
The only thing you have used to try to find scum so far are 1. going after lurkers, and 2. PoE based on self-knowledge. i.e. WHAT SCUM DO.

I haven't gone after lurkers. To be going after lurkers I'd have to be trying to get someone lynched specifically because they're lurking. THAT'S the tell. Just because I've identified someone who has to be scum (if some other conditions are met) and they happen to be lurking/inactive doesn't mean I'm committing the "going after lurkers" tell. If you refuse to see the difference, you're either scum, or an idiot.

......

SAME DIFFERENCE.

No its not....

What I'm SAYING, is that there's no possible way that YOU are gonna convince ME that you're town, and by extension there's no possible way that YOU can convince ME that Stefunny and Pulindar are scum.

What I'm SAYING, is that there's no possible way that YOU are gonna convince ME that I am scum, and by extension there's no possible way that YOU can convince ME that nacho is scum because I'm scum.

Maybe it is only happy coincidence that the two people you're 100% sure are scum are also the two people that are 100% lurking. I don't know.

Its fucking logic.

You were at L-1. If you are town, charlie is town for not hammering. I know that me, nacho, and ns, are not the scum team, because I'm town. I know that nacho and ns can not be scum together if you're town, because there's no way NS unvotes a townie at L-1 when there is a scum not on the wagon who can hammer for the scum win.

Therefore, if RC is town, the scum HAVE to be stef (100%), pulindar (100%), and 1 of either nacho or NS.

FROM MY POV, BASED ON THE KNOWLEDGE OF MY ROLE, WHICH IS NOT INVALID FOR ME TO ACT ON. THE POSITION I AM IN, IT IS NOT OPTIMAL TO VOTE FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN STEF OR PULINDAR IF I THINK RC IS TOWN, OR RC IF I THINK RC IS SCUM.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:52 am

*skims wall*

Yep. Nothing you haven't said yet.

--

Vote for Nacho.

Or yourself.

Rhinox · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:00 am

shun: RC

Nobody Special · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:02 am

KILL IT WITH FUCKING FIRE IT'S THE ONLY WAY

Unshun

Shun: Rhinox

Rhinox · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:06 am

cool story bro

Haylen · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:45 am

Shun Count

:
Reapercharlie: Nachomamma, Rhinox
Nachomamma: Charlie, ReaperCharlie
Rhinox: Nobody Special

Not being a shunning bastard: Everyone else.

Deadline:

Friday 24th June 9pm BST

Votes to lynch:

4/17

Prods:

Notes: Pulindar = V/LA. About post 799: The 'R' word is a no-no word around me, please respect that.

Haylen · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:28 am

I've prodded Stefunny and Pulindar. They have until Night before I start looking for replacements.

Nobody Special · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:32 am

Rhinox: in a clear, concise (THAT MEANS FEWER THAN FOUR HUNDRED WORDS) manner, will you shun nacho if I ask nicely?

Nobody Special · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:33 am

If we don't get a majority by Friday, we nolynch. WHICH IS BAD.

Rhinox · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:44 am

not right now. Either RC is scum, or the scum team is stef, pulindar, and either you or nacho. In order for nacho to be scum, RC and you both have to be town. Right now, RC isn't acting like a townie. Even if he was, if I was sure RC was town, stef and pulindar are better lynch choices because that would make them scum with 100% certainty.

If there is no posting by stef or pulindar, or replacements, by thursday night/friday morning, I'd vote nacho then - nacho lynch > no lynch.

Pulindar · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:07 am

Prologue

I'm uber busy editing, sorry guys. I should have finished the novel last week, but unfortunately a major sotyrline problem cropped up and I need to do some major fixes. Hopefully they'll be done this weekend.

Next, I skimmed the last two pages, sorry but I can't afford to read it all ATM.

hammerI didn't have a chance to possibly hammer RC, I know that doesn't help the idea of me being town, but it's the honest truth

I'm not sure if I would have hammered him though, for two big reasons.
1. I am under the impression that there are only two scum
2. My main reason for suspecting RC was Zod. With Zod's town flip I've become quite unsure of where I stand on RC.

Actually reason 1 is a terrible reason, so let's just look at reason two.

suspect statusNacho is not mafia
Charlie is probably not mafia, Charlie is not vig, Charlie is probably not third party
Rhinox is not vig/third party
Stef is unknown
NS is unknown
RC is unknown

Stefprobably my lead suspect. She's been playing a good game, but has been lurking quite a bit. Some of the things she has said have seemed scummy. I don't want to go into the reason just now though

maybe tomorrow. Sorry, but they aren't solid enough points just yet.

Rhinoxhis logic seems decent to me, based on what I skimmed. The problem is that he is using logic to push a case on RC, yet he feels that he should remove his vote from there?

Now your vote is there again. As I said, I skimmed so I'm not entirely sure who your suspects are, I saw my name in there on both lists.

NSI remember feeling that is logic was sound early game. I also felt he leaned slightly towards town. Now I have no read on him either way, I see the reason he is pushing for lynches in general, but didn't really understand the completely wrong case on Nacho. Nacho is definitely not one of the mafia. I am 100% sure of that. No joke.

RCPosts a lot, I mean a lot. I mean enough that it detracts from others posts. It's felt anti town at the beginning, but was the only thing moving the game at all for a while.
I saw that nacho felt he was town for a bit due to that, but thinks he is scum now.

My major case on him was his relation with Zod who felt super scummy. Unless he white knighted Zod, RC isn't town. The chance that he did white knight Zod is pretty decent though.

Mmm for a lynch I would shun him, but not sure.

Epilogue

I am willing to shun any of the four listed above for a lynch. I can't get on Friday, so my shun will have to come tomorrow.

For now I will shun my lead suspect, though I have no case built. Sorry.

Shun Stef.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:38 am

Um... thanks for coming back and being pretty much completely useless.

Chances of Nacho being town after what he pulled when unvoting Rhinox on Day one... 09%.
Chances of Rhinox being town given what Nacho pulled and what he himself has said... 06%.
Chances of Stefunny being scum that's lurking this blatantly (and mod won't replace)... 02%.

Chances of any of us agreeing on a lynch wagon that's neither Nacho, Rhinox, or me... 00%.

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Nachomamma8 · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:33 pm

RC, if your strategy is just to saturate the thread with bullshit, it isn't going to work. You have provided a total of one point against me, and you won't even shut up for one second to make a real response to it?

You say that I am scum for jumping off the Rhinox wagon and causing a no lynch. And yet, if I didn't and Rhinox was town, it would be GAME OVER at this point. If Rhinox was scum, then it would still be MyLo. Meaning that if I were scum intentionally causing a no-lynch, I would have absolutely no motive because it would have left us in a completely identical situation to what we are in now, except I'd look a hell of a lot better for getting Rhinox lynched, and I would only have to protect myself and the mythical third as opposed to both of us.

The reason for jumping off the Rhinox wagon, which I'm sure you also won't understand, is because of the hammer gambit. When I popped in and voted, I made it seem like I was hammering Rhinox, and Hiraki and I had an exchange about the hammer. You dropped in and went "I am suspicious of Nacho's entrance into the game..." without correcting either of us on the hammer. You didn't comment at all on Rhinox, which suggests you thought that he was lynched. When it was apparent I didn't hammer, you posted about Rhinox needing to get lynched; no followup comment on me, no nothing. This shows that you were trying to setup a me-lynch after a Rhinox townlynch, and is why Hiraki and I both switched to lynch you.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:09 pm

I was re-reading, annnd... Rhinox, read this post by your scumbuddy Nacho.

In it, he's criticizing ME for clearing MYSELF for the same thing that you're clearing YOURSELF for.

Nachomamma8 (in [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3081183#p3081183]this post[/url]) wrote:
If he's town and I'm scum (trying to whiteknight or w/e Nacho said), WHAT'S THE POINT?
I could have gotten an easy mislynch by just switching my vote.
Now what I have is a bunch of people saying I'm trying to protect Zod when it's really just that he's obvtown.
If I was scum, I would have hammered.
Trust me.

You expect us to trust you about your own scum meta?
HEHEHEHAHAHAHAHEAHEEAHEAHEHAEAHE

herp-a-derp... looks like I won't be trusting YOU any time soon.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:26 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote:You say that I am scum for jumping off the Rhinox wagon and causing a no lynch. And yet, if I didn't and Rhinox was town, it would be GAME OVER at this point.

HAHAHAHA. Nice last-ditch attempt at trying to make your BIG MISTAKE appear pro-town, by hook or by crook. Rhinox already tried it, and it didn't work for him either, so what makes you think it'd work for you?

Shall I explain?

I think we all know that you didn't jump off Rhinox's wagon to purposefully cause a no-lynch, thereby saving us from untimely death by endgame.

But it's funny that you're insinuating that that's why you did it. Especially in light of you re-voting Rhinox just after the deadline. If you were town, and that had been your motivation (to achieve no-lynch), then you wouldn't have done that.

It's pretty clear that you voted him so that it'd show up in your ISO, then unvoted him so that nobody else could hammer (with NO reasoning, btw), tried your best to steer action away from Rhinox's wagon, and then

after

the no-lynch occurred, you voted him again, to try to make it look like you would have been on the lynch if you could.

HA HA HA. Not buying it.

Seriously. You're obv scum. Don't even try to convince me otherwise.

Nachomamma8 wrote:If Rhinox was scum, then it would still be MyLo. Meaning that if I were scum intentionally causing a no-lynch, I would have absolutely no motive because it would have left us in a completely identical situation to what we are in now, except I'd look a hell of a lot better for getting Rhinox lynched, and I would only have to protect myself and the mythical third as opposed to both of us.

You're saying that as scum you would have lynched Rhinox yesterday, so that you wouldn't have to protect him today?

LOL

You're saying that you'd rather bus your scumbuddy until he's lynched, cheating yourself OUT of endgaming, than not?

LOL

Nachomamma8 wrote:The reason for jumping off the Rhinox wagon, which I'm sure you also won't understand, is because of the hammer gambit. When I popped in and voted, I made it seem like I was hammering Rhinox, and Hiraki and I had an exchange about the hammer. You dropped in and went "I am suspicious of Nacho's entrance into the game..." without correcting either of us
on the hammer.

There

was

no hammer. I never even implied that I

thought

it was a hammer. So don't go there.

In fact,

nobody

mentioned a hammer except you and Zodiark. I know this as a fact, because I just went back and checked.

So that blows

that

part of your case out of the water, too. Now, onto the last part.

Nachomamma8 wrote:You didn't comment at all on Rhinox, which suggests you thought that he was lynched.

I hadn't commented on Rhinox for at least two days prior to that, when I voted for him, here:

ReaperCharlie wrote:Rhinox is my #2 and nobody else is getting shun-happy on Charlie, so I'll just

Shun: Rhinox

as well, and be done with it. I have other games I have to devote time to as well.

You're clearly fabricating this out of your ass at this point, but I'll continue.

Nachomamma8 wrote:When it was apparent I didn't hammer

I never thought you hammered, as I mentioned before. There was no reason to think you hammered, either. You didn't say "Hey, here's the hammer guys" or anything. So you are telling me that you

assume

that I

assumed

it was a hammer, even though you never said anything to make me think that, and I never said anything to make you

think

I thought that? ..... got it.

This case is probably the best I've ever heard. Just throwing that out there.

Nachomamma8 wrote:you posted about Rhinox needing to get lynched; no followup comment on me, no nothing. This shows that you were trying to setup a me-lynch after a Rhinox townlynch, and is why Hiraki and I both switched to lynch you.

Oh, is that what it shows?

LOL

So.... first, I comment about

you

and not

Rhinox

, and THAT's what's scummy?
Then later, I comment about

Rhinox

and not

you

, and THAT's what's scummy?

Seriously, this is too funny. Is there a scummy for funniest post?

...cause you might have just won it.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:47 pm

Rhinox wrote:
shun: reapercharlie

lol jk
unshun

No seriously though, at this point you've got to be town since you're basically the only 1 trying today (so far). At least 3/5ths of charlie, pul, nacho, stef, and NS have got to be scum. I'm somewhere between randomly choosing between those 5 for a 60% or greater chance of being correct, sheeping your choice, or you know, actually putting some effort in and trying to figure out who's scum on my own.

Hey Rhinox... LOL

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:56 pm

And Hey Nacho:

You are saying that it's fishy that I spoke about you and not Rhinox, when you came back and voted for Rhinox out of the blue (after days and days of silence). So I have to ask: After you come back from a May 28-June 4 absence (a

whole week

of not posting) just after somebody mentions your name, how is it fishy when I say: "

I am very

about nacho's sudden entrance back into the thread when his name is mentioned.

"???

And that's not even

mentioning

that all of this took place after somebody else

already tried

a fake-hammer gambit on Rhinox, only a

page before

. To say that I, of all people, would fall for a fake-hammer gambit twice in a row, is INSULTING. Especially after how the first one came about, with a fake double-vote by... oh wait......

ME!

...the lulz at this point... they are epic. But I'll still go on.

And THAT'S not mentioning the fact that, there were three deaths last night, and none of them were you. If I were scum and you had "found me out" with your

clearly

brilliant-beyond-comprehension second-fake-hammer-gambit-of-the-day, wouldn't you expect me to kill you during the night so that you couldn't go around spreading your story? That's who I would have killed if I was scum: Somebody who suspected me.

Go ahead, tell me that's WIFOM. (see point #9).

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:08 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote:RC, if your strategy is just to saturate the thread with bullshit, it isn't going to work. You have provided a total of one point against me, and you won't even shut up for one second to make a real response to it?

Hey. Nacho. How are those above posts workin' for ya?

Those responses real enough for you?

Charlie · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:06 pm

Nacho isn't Town due to severe lack of commitment.
RC is his usual self and I don't know how to read him. Town anyway.
Pulindar's still Town.

Everyone else, idk. Stefunny's not posting consistently enough to form a read.
And finally, I'd like to know who gave me those yummies before.

Thank you ppl.

Rhinox · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:53 am

Given pulindar just voted stef, there's literally no way RC can be town.

Logic puzzle if RC is town:
a) I am town
b) Charlie is town via not hammering
c) NS is not scum with nacho due to NS unvoting RC to vote nacho rather than waiting for a scum partner to log on and hammer RC
at this point, in order for RC to be town, scum team needs to be stef, pul, and 1 of either NS or nacho
d) Puindar is (probably) not scum with stef due to voting stef just now rather than waiting for stef or a replacement to come around for a 1-2 scum quickhammering on RC

Conclusion: assuming we're dealing with a 3-member scum team, RC can not be town because all but 2 players are eliminated as possible scum. This is what I know from my POV because I know my alignment is confirmed to me.

I encourage others to look at the situation logically from their own POV. For example, from pul's POV, in order for RC to be scum:

a)pul knows he is town.
b)pul knows charlie is town for not hammering RC
at this point, rhinox, nacho, and NS are still voting RC
c)NS unvotes RC to vote nacho - either Rhinox/nacho/NS are the scum team and NS unvoted so as to not be obvious, or Nacho is scum and NS is town, making stef the 3rd scum.

So from pul's POV, if RC is town, the 2 possible scum teams are 1: {Rhinox, nacho, NS} and {Rhinox, nacho, stef}
This means that Pul, if you think RC is town, you should be voting me or nacho because we both have to be scum, and if you think me or nacho is Town, then RC has to be scum beyond a doubt because there is no possible scum team that doesn't include me and nacho if RC is town. If you're town, you need to be deciding to vote between me and nacho, or RC because 1 of us logically has to be scum due to the events that unfolded today.

etc etc.

work out the logics, stef's POV will look very similar to puls: If RC is town, I and nacho have to be scum, otherwise RC is scum
charlies POV: if RC is town, possible scum teams are {Me, nacho, ns}, or {Me, nacho, stef/pul} - again, either Rhinox and nacho, or RC are scum.

Nacho's POV:
he's town, charlie is town. Possible scum: rhinox, ns, stef, pul
then ns unvotes RC from L-1. If NS and Rhinox are scum, that means either stef or pul have to be scum and NS unvoting takes away the opportunity for one of them to hammer for the win. That means, NS is not scum from nacho's POV.
At this point, if RC is town, only possible scum team is {Rhinox, stef, pulindar}
Pulindar just voted stef, he's probably not scum with stef.
That means from nacho's POV, RC is confirmed scum because there are no probable scum teams of 3 left. Nacho should be voting RC, and he is.

NS's POV:
he's town, charlie is town.
Possible scums: Rhinox, nacho, stef, pul
Can't really get it down more than that. If RC is town, then 3 out of the 4 of us are scum.

RC's POV:
He's town, charlies town.
Possible scum groups once you work out NS's unvote are {rhinox, nacho, NS} or 3 of {rhinox, nacho, stef, pulindar}

TL:DR) RC is confirmed scum from mine and nacho's POV, pul, stef, and charlie need to decide whether they think RC is scum or not - if they think RC is scum, he's the lynch obv, if they think RC is town, then me and nacho BOTH have to be scum.

ReaperCharlie · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:24 am

Rhinox wrote:TL:DR) RC is confirmed scum from mine and nacho's POV, pul, stef, and charlie need to decide whether they think RC is scum or not - if they think RC is scum, he's the lynch obv, if they think RC is town, then me and nacho BOTH have to be scum.

This is pretty much all you needed to write.

It's obvious that I've nailed you two as a scum team (and your third buddy is probably Stef), and now you're trying to get me lynched instead of Nacho, since you know I'm gonna be protected by the doc tonight when Nacho flips scum.

Then after Nacho flips scum, tomorrow we lynch you.

Profit.