Mini 1194: Reverse Mafia [Game Over]

[Parama]

Vote: Parama

No rule against it, and looking at the playerlist, I don't have enough trust in any of the other players to successfully townhunt.
Oh yeah, just FYI, this game is about townhunting just as much as it is about scumhunting.
Now vote me because I'm obvious town. Thanks

[Parama]

And that's why I catch you as scum every time, SC.
Jury's still out this game, mainly because this is the third post in the game. I approve of this vote, though.

[Parama]

PARAMA'S PLAYERLIST BREAKDOWN:

1. Parama
-You will worship me.

2. bobsnox
-Not trustworthy as town, will not be hard to catch as scum.

3. Slaxx
-The second person to be revived today. Assuming he doesn't claim scum, that is.

4. crypto
-He's usually too busy being a torll to help, but he can scumhunt if he feels like it. Never played with him as scum but he might be a threat if he is.

5. Packbat
-I've caught him as scum previously, shouldn't be too much of a challenge to do it again. And he can probably be useful as town.

6. Pomegranate
-Can be helpful as town, easy as hell to catch as scum.

7. ToastyToast
-No clue.

8. kiwieagle
-No clue.

9. Bub Bidderskins
-If he's scum, I'll catch him in 2 posts. If he's town, he'll probably be somewhat useful.

10. AntB
-Don't remember him much at all.

11. wredfar
-No clue.

12. StrangerCoug
-Easy to catch as scum but generally good at scumhunting when town.

13. Awesoma
-No clue.

This has been a relatively useless post brought to you by your high and mighty ruler.

[Parama]

Bub y u voet sc n not me

[Parama]

I'm not terribly easy to catch as scum, though I suck at scum, but it hardly matters since I'm town this game.

[Parama]

Awesoma is on my scum list. At least for now. She will not be saved on Day 0.25.

[Parama]

I modded a game with you in it, just FYI.
You were town that game, but still.
From the way you play I can tell it'd be easy to discern your alignment if I ever wanted to. Hopefully.

[Parama]

7. ToastyToast
-No clue.

, being a new player who fails at being obvtown sux.

I just haven't played with you... ever... except [REDACTED].
Awesoma, be awesome and revote please :>

[Parama]

Haha, he's calling the top two wagons scum and voting the confirmed town.
Obviously, Packbat's actively scumhunting.

[Parama]

Response to what? I responded to everything you asked.

[Parama]

Haha, he's calling the top two wagons scum and voting the confirmed town.
Obviously, Packbat's actively scumhunting.

You aren't worried when you see a wagon hit L-2 on page 2?

Not when the wagon's on confirmed town.

[Parama]

I'm not seeing why everyone finds SC so townie.
I already said in my playerlist post that Slaxx is going to be the second person revived for sure.

Packbat - I'm confirmed town to myself. Asking me that question is silly.

[Parama]

Yeah, you have to lynch your townreads and sheep your scumreads.

[Parama]

D:

Slaxx I said you could go second.

3. Slaxx
-The second person to be revived today. Assuming he doesn't claim scum, that is.

Also this is going to be my last post before V/LA probably.

[Parama]

but my wagon's bigger and has free cookies

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Slaxx

DAY 0.5!!!

vote: Parama

[Parama]

Will give thread proper read soon. Skimmed stuff; don't understand the Packbat wagon at all.

[Parama]

First thoughts:
Stop voting. Slaxx is gonna rez it up in here and we should all psuedo-vote on his action target. He's going to be NKed if he doesn't action, most likely.
NOTE: Psuedo-vote is not the end-all of Slaxx's ability use. He has veto power, mainly because it's his action.
Not going to psuedo vote, since I don't remember much about this game <.< And I'm reading.

[Parama]

Oh yeah. I kinda forgot about that, along with the rest of this game >.<
Never mind then.

[Parama]

I dunno. I need to read. I'm doing that.
v--stuff down there ASAP, probably less than a minute.

[Parama]

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins
Thoughts?

Thoughts:
1. Why didn't you vote me?
2. Why did you vote Bub?
3. Why did you ask for others' opinions on your particular vote?

I think bobsnox is scum due to -> mad that no1 votes him (Possibly his scumbuddies aswell)
If you read his posts: "Why is my meta bad?" etc. etc.

Elaborate? Examples?

This needs some thought. Again, no narcissism this time.

What changed?

I'm thinking that probably the best revival at this point is SC, because if he's town he'll scumhunt. but I should probably iso him first, just to get a clearer read. I'll be back.

There are several players not alive who could scumhunt when they're alive. Players in limbo can still scumhunt, too. If that's you're only reason for wanting to revive him...
Do you have thoughts on... anything else? This is literally the first shred of content you've provided, and we've already gone through .5 days and 5 pages.

Actually, I think someone coming off as more town than both Bub and SC is being ignored in the discussion

Vote:Packbat

Now elaborate.

People I will not revive: bobsnox, SC, wredfar, kewieagle, Awesoma, crypto (many of whom just haven't discussed enough)

ELABORATE.
Also, woot, you just crossed off over 50% of the remaining limbolist. You're either doing some serious scumhunting and townhunting, or you're just calling out random names because you don't care as much about who's revived.

Nah, you both had ugly votes on the Parama wagon.

Admittance and Deflection.

Ftfy

YES.
CONTINUED IN MY NEXT POST - COMING SOON TO A THREAD NEAR MONTREAL, INDIA.

[Parama]

I'm holding off until wredfar has contributed before continuing.

Actually, this is a game where lurkers don't really hurt as much. We don't revive them, and there's a great chance for reviving someone else besides.

What makes mine worse then the rest?

Answer this first:
What makes yours better than any of the others? How is it better than even one of the other votes?
BTW, I am positive there were at least 2 scum on my wagon. It was easy as hell to jump on inconspicuously.

Wredfar is mafia.

vote: crypto

I haven't a clue if you're right or not, but you're town. I vote town.

Wredfar is mafia.

Reason?

Why do you care? Right now we need to be townhunting first and scumhunting second.

He's town because of his first post honestly. Even though he misrepped people, I think the post speaks for itself.

Even if it speaks for itself... what is it saying, then? "It speaks for itself" is another way of saying "I have no idea why it's town but if someone else analyzes it they can probably find something I didn't."

VOTE: Bub Bidderskins

...and at present I am specifically looking for more posting from crypto, Pomegranate, and wredfar before we start narrowing the field to a single revival candidate.

If you don't want to narrow the field to a single revival candidate yet, why are you voting? Your post is saying: "This is who I think should be our single revival candidate, but we shouldn't pick a single revival candidate yet."

@bobsknox
uh... he's already been revived. Your post is null.

Yeah, guess it's a good thing I'm scum

My vote will probably go on to packbat currently (still waiting for wredfar to post before voting.)

Why will your vote go on packbat? You haven't said anything about him.

At first I was surprised that Bub was getting votes, then I realized that he's actually acting more helpful than usual. Maybe I will. But I still like SC. Bleh.

Why do you like SC? This is different from your previous reason for voting him.

I was going to ask AntB on what he was holding off at post #125 (I was worried he was going to exempt himself from contributing), but post #135 answers that question.

And leaves many more questions unanswered.

I like Packbat's current attempts to stir up activity, so I'm going to VOTE: Packbat for right now. If I get another strong town read, I'll take that into consideration.

Examples?

I have too many fucking town reads and I'm loath to commit to any of them at the moment. Leaning toward voting Bub.

These town reads would be?...

Waiting for Wred before I place my vote...

*********************

I want to call Pom scum so bad but I too am just getting LazyTown off of her. Right now there is scum in (crypto/wred), (bob/kiwi), and someone else I have overlooked. Maybe SC or Awesoma.

First batch:
To be decided. crypto is town. wred may or may not be town.
Second batch:
kiwi's scum if anyone.
Third batch:
Feeling Awesoma more than SC, though I'm not sure about SC either way, mainly because I haven't been here to remember anything <_<

Okay, reread both SC and Bub, and although SC is a good scumhunter, he's kinda neutral. And Bub was more helpful/participatory than I expected, which is a mildly happy surprise. They're both good, but for the moment I think I'll go with Bub.

VOTE: Bub.

Okay, you realized your mistake before I even pointed it out.
Pome's town, guys.

Also, wred

or

crypto can be scum, but not wred

and

crypto. Crypto's totally unbacked accusastion against wred makes sure of that.

That's a bit of a WIFOM situation, actually - it would be incredibly brazen, with a significant risk of backfire, but I could imagine scum pulling that as a gambit.

Yay, let's throw in random doubt based on WIFOM.
There is no point to Packbat's post except to cause confusion. It could be true, or it might not be. I'm banking on the latter. Packbat's post only exists to try and promote the former. Causing confusion. Since the latter is more likely. He's just trying to make the possibility exist, even though it probably shouldn't.
DONUT LAKE.

Pack's totally scum. Stop voting him, people. This is like the 2nd or 3rd time he's made a post that looks scummy to me. My scumdar is usually right on these things. Seriously, drop the Packbat votes.

[Parama]

Also: what crypto has done is attack wredfar in the most unconvincing way possible. Assuming they were both scum, that would be textbook distancing.

The way crypto's posting will make it unlikely that he gets revived soon. Mafia want to get revived ASAP.
I don't see how his posting reads as anything other than town.
Remember that distancing doesn't mean crap in a game where you can't lynch scum. Hell, we can't flip them without a vig. We only get townflips if vigless, and scum control most of those. What good is distancing, then?

crypto's arbitrary attack on him is

clearly scummy

the last thing you'd expect scum to do this early in the game.

fixed

Packbat is still the person I'm most in favor in reviving.

bad

VOTE: StrangerCoug

I like how he's thinking.

nope.gif

ftfy

With both Parama and SC being possible buddies, bud is better.

If I was drinking water, I would've spit it out at this point.
YOU VOTED ME. IF WE WERE POSSIBLE BUDDIES WHO WERE BOTH PRIME CANDIDATES FOR REVIVAL EARLY IN THE GAME, WHY DID YOU VOTE ONE OF US?
HELL, IF YOU THINK ME AND SC COULD BE BUDDIES, THAT MEANS YOU THINK I COULD BE SCUM. AND YOU VOTED ME ANYWAYS.
KIWISCUM IS TOAST. TOASTY TOAST. BLACK, BURNT, DISGUSTING TOAST. BLACK LIKE THE MAFIA.
also kiwi
never respond inside a quote ever again.
that is the worst possible way to post. worse than quote stripes. worse than huge walls.
worse than what these last couple of posts of mine have been.

That's L-2 on me - unless we really start running into deadline issues, I want to meet wredfar's replacement before we go on to Day 1. Voting behavior is much more revealing than voteless behavior.

Now you're acting like you've already been revived. Seriously, can't get more obvious.

slaxxxxxx I don't think SC is scum, at least not with kiwi, and kiwi is more likely to be scum than SC is.
I still think the vote on crypto is best.
Packbat is 100% confirmed scum though, people should get away from everything he represents.

[Parama]

Oh hey mod can you prod Awesoma when you get back? Thanks.

[Parama]

Slaxx.
Wait until Day 1.
Please.
I have reasons. It'll almost certainly be better to wait until Day 1 to revive a player.

[Parama]

1st kiwi post:
dodging the point.
I am not reading kiwi's posts anymore if he does not start posting outside of quotes. I encourage the rest of the players to do the same.
2nd kiwi post:
Compare your vote to what you feel is the worst vote, and tell me why yours is better. Okay?

[Parama]

Bub Bidderskins made an absolute statement which seems to be unjustified. Are you saying Bub is correct? Why? And if not, what objection do you have to my pointing out his error?

It is ridiculously unlikely that both are scum together, so much so that I am not even going to consider it. Ever.

What is your explanation for his behavior, then? I can see no reason for it from a town perspective - the data is simply not there for him to analyze, because wredfar

has not existed.

Just because behavior is stupid for scum doesn't make it a towntell. Why is crypto town?

I never said I agreed with him.
I said that his posting makes no sense from a scum perspective, because it almost guarantees that he's not getting revived in the near future, and it almost seems like that's what he's going for. Which implies some weird third party role (unlikely) or that he's town (most likely).

(Incidentally, does anyone else notice how quickly the votes fled from Packbat the moment Parama expressed suspicion? I would not be surprised if ToastyToast, StrangerCoug or both were scum seeking towncred, even if I weren't suspicious of SC already.)

Or maybe I made valid points and people realized that Packbat was in fact scum and stopped trying to revive him as they rightfully should've.

I didn't say much about about the other players I've voted to revive either.

That's not an excuse. That just makes me like you less.

I must've missed the unanswered questions. Care to ask them again?

They were the questions I asked already.

[Parama]

I am not reading kiwi's posts anymore if he does not start posting outside of quotes. I encourage the rest of the players to do the same.

You may share my personal preference, but the fact that someone does not do things the way you want him to does not per se warrant ignoring him.

Ignoring scum who's caught is never a bad idea <_<
And frankly I don't give a damn.

[Parama]

Pssh. I scumhunt. People who attack me when I know I'm right are people to add to the scumlist.
BTW, when I feel I'm right, I am.

[Parama]

prodvoid

[Parama]

vote: Bub

[Parama]

well that was a fun game.

[Parama]

packbat scum isn't a surprise.
<--- right

[Parama]

I stopped caring about this game after my V/LA anyways and I still managed to be right.
Woot.

[Parama]

where the hell is evil slaxx avatar when you need it anyways?

[Parama]

anyways I was still right about Packbat-scum. Toasty's the buddy, I'm assuming.

wheeeeeeeeeeeee

[Parama]

I was still right about Packbat scum wheeee

[Parama]

Nothing has changed. Wasn't sure whether or not to believe you anywho but Packbat is still scum.
Don't you dare revive scum, Slaxx.

[Parama]

anyone but Packbat

oh wait


I have no clue I'm so not into this game right now I miss having flips :<

[Parama]

Slaxx are you kiting?

[Parama]

crypto revive is fine slaxx.
I'm asking if you're kiting.
With a kite.

woooo

[Parama]

OH I SAID THAT

THAT THAT THAT

THAT HAT

HAT

MALPASCP OWES ME A HAT BECAUSE I SAID THAT

[Parama]

So crypto's town. Sexy.

No voting yet please. If you vote scum Packbat will just quickhammer and scum win. It's basically LyLo today and we just have to revive town for successing.

[Parama]

crypto's town.
you're scum.
these things I determined on Day 0.75.
Don't even try to deny it.

[Parama]

the answers are in my ISO, specifically in the catchup stuff I posted.

[Parama]

bobsnox: Is that action night-only?

[Parama]

Frankly it should only be used to kill off a confirmed scum in Limbo; not much use for it otherwise.

[Parama]

I have so little incentive to post in this game :/

[Parama]

but because of how he tries to use it a leverage to get himself revived

Vote me, I am confirmed town.

3. Slaxx, Town Summoner, revived Day 0.25 and died Day 1

And?

[Parama]

SHAMELESS PRODVOID

I need to catch up in pretty much all of my games anyways <_<

[Parama]

Frankly I need to read.
Clear of being partners with Bub, though I'm wary of voting him due to who happens to be the first vote.

[Parama]

guys drop what you're doing I'm rereading and I will have a read on everyone by the time this is over. Game will be WON for sure.

[Parama]

What this post is:
I started on page 1, read the entire game, and moved limbo people around after catching town and scumtells. No elaboration, because I've been bad at that recently. +3 to get over the green line, -3 to get under the red line. Anyone alive is irrelevant at this point in terms of reviving. Packbat is pretty much confirmed scum and I may use some association tells from that, but it won't be a major factor.
Mid-D1-read comment: You know what, no. I want to reconsider that Packbat read now. I am smelling a few things - namely, desperate scum, among a few players. They NEED a revival today, I bet, else everyone alive gets confirmed town otherwise. I will elaborate on some stuff later but the pieces are all coming together now.

ToastyToast +infinity; townslipped
Pomegranate +3

----------------

Bub Bidderskins +2
AntB
bobsnox -1
StrangerCoug -2

----------------

kiwieagle -3
MrTrow/Awesoma -4
malpascp/wredfar -7

SC #5 +1
Awesoma #16 -2
Bub #29 +1
Toasty #31 -1
Bub #67 +1
Awesoma #90 -2
AntB #92 +1
bobsnox #104 +2
Toasty #113 -2
kiwi #122 -1
Pome #145 +2
bobsnox #164 -1
kiwi #166 +3
kiwi #195 -1
Pome #221 +1
malp #231 -1
bobsnox #256 -1
Toasty #304 TOWNSLIP
malp #308 -1
SC #337 -1
malp #374 -2
bobsnox #393 -1
kiwi #409 -1
kiwi #421 -3 (this is close to a scumslip IMO...)
SC #429 -2
AntB #452 -1
malp #509 -3

Logically the scumteam here is malp/Trow/kiwi... I think this is unlikely at best, impossible in reality.
What the hell I think is going down in this thread:
SC/Bub/malp scumteam.
Yes I realize I have some townpoints on Bub. But... the association is very clear. SC's way of pushing the Bub wagon reeks, and malp fits in really nicely with this proposed team. If malp isn't scum, then kiwi is. I am going to call a mulligan on Awesoma because I think, frankly, he was a terrible player. Just that, nothing more.

Anyways, Toasty townslipped. That should be our revive today. I'm actually surprised nobody caught it, so I'll explain it:

lolwut? I was just watching soccer, and then I came back and thought Slaxx claimed scum (which is impossible given that we revived you first and therefore the game would have ended immediately.

What the slip is:
Toasty doesn't understand the scum win-condition correctly. I see no way in hell scum wouldn't know their own wincon, and he completely botched it here, unless I'm misreading something, which seems unlikely. Even then, Toasty gives off lots of townie vibes in recent posting; I stopped keeping track of him after his townslip though.
I really want to go to N1 with 4 town alive so we can have 4 confirmed town and basically an auto-won game from that point. If I'm right about everyone alive being town, then BUB SHOULD NOT BE REVIVED TODAY. If I'm wrong, BUB SHOULD NOT BE REVIVED TODAY. This is not his fault. It is almost 100% association, but Packbat's alignment has nothing to do with it at this point, and Packbat's alignment is the only one I'd call into question of the living players.

SC's posts seemed good at first, but I realized what game he's playing - he's trying to appeal to Pack's good side because he knows Pack's town and Bub's scum, and Pack is the most likely of the three living players to vote Bub. Lots of subtle stuff, but I think he's been getting what he wants and he knows it; the problem is that his attempts are just a bit too transparent.

My crackpot theories make some sense I guess. Either way I think it's a good idea to

vote: ToastyToast

and see what happens from that point on.

[Parama]

I am now only slightly more confident in my reads after that reread, btw... this game is shaping up to be a mindscrew game.

[Parama]

"Everyone but bobsnox" is 100% guaranteed to contain at least one scum.

[Parama]

No, but you just claimed that you don't give a damn about who's revived as long as they're not the PR that's (according to my theory) the most dangerous to scum.

[Parama]

Hey look who the people trying to discredit the townslip are - the ones I find scummy! WOOP WOOP.

[Parama]

You're reversing the question. The people I see denying the townslip are people I find scummy; I never said all the people I find scummy are all denying the townslip.

[Parama]

malp shut up you're wasting everyone's time

[Parama]

of course he considers people who disagree with him scummy

You also reversed my statement. The people who disagreed with me on the townslip were ALREADY ON MY SCUMLIST BEFORE THEY DISAGREED WITH ME. Disagreeing with it is just another thing to add to the list for those people.

[Parama]

I trust me more than I trust you. Problem with that?

[Parama]

You can dismiss almost anything as WIFOM. Stop overusing a worthless buzzword.

[Parama]

DO IT.
I mean he's pretty much confirmed town by the slip and he can't be scum with any living player anyways (at least FMPOV) so.

[Parama]

Parama, your basing your whole case on the slip?

Screw off, mafia scum.
Packbat, you can hammer Toasty yourself if you want to see him hammered, y'know...

[Parama]

You refuse to listen to reason. You refuse to act pro-town at all. I don't give a damn if you're town or scum, you're useless, obnoxious, and anti-town. You haven't given a good reason as to why Toasty's slip isn't a slip (hint: there is no good reason) and you're just trying to discredit it. What more do you want me to say?

[Parama]

Parama, your basing your whole case on the slip?

This is all you've said on toasty's townslip. Thanks for playing, come again.
Also I may elaborate on the stuff I found scummy from you. I have that list of posts for a reason, y'know.

[Parama]

I did elaborate. In the post where I pointed out the townslip.
Read more.

[Parama]

You're missing the point, and also are wrong, so I'm going to ignore you now forever :>

[Parama]

If mafia have had time to talk:

This so called "slip" can be organized.

No it can't. It's a slip because it CAN'T be organized.
And if it was intended to be a slip, wouldn't someone have pointed it out earlier than I did? But nobody did. It took quite some time before I noticed it, and once I did, every scum and their mother tried to jump on it and discredit it, including you.
Answer this question:
In what world do scum NOT know their own wincon? It's in the PM, and in a game as complex and unusual as this, scum probably did quote a bit of studying up on the setup design.
I believe Toasty townslipped. Why the hell would I need more of a case than that?
I have now told you how you are missing the point in several ways. Tell me why I'm wrong or I'll never bother with a damn thing you're going to waste your time saying again.
Also bobsnox, I really hope you aren't siding with kiwi here, because it looks like you aren't and I love the way kiwi's trying to make it look like you are.

[Parama]

You missed the point AGAIN. If Toasty had FAKED A TOWNSLIP, one of his scumbuddies would've probably tried to point it out much sooner than I did. Probably at the start of the day. It's not like something suddenly starts being a townslip 2 weeks after it's posted, y'know.

[Parama]

Haha, no, you missed the point and are now trying to cover up your mistake.
If I was his scumbuddy, wouldn't I have already known he was going to fake a slip? Wouldn't he have another scumbuddy as well who would've known? If he had a scumbuddy who was in on the slip, don't you think it would've been pointed out sooner? I mean, I'm not the only one who can catch a townslip, right?

[Parama]

Haha, no, you missed the point and are now trying to cover up your mistake.
If I was his scumbuddy, wouldn't I have already known he was going to fake a slip? Wouldn't he have another scumbuddy as well who would've known? If he had a scumbuddy who was in on the slip, don't you think it would've been pointed out sooner? I mean, I'm not the only one who can catch a townslip, right?

Its all WIFOM.

Lolz Parama

that's WIFOM too.

You can dismiss almost anything as WIFOM. Stop overusing a worthless buzzword.

WIFOM: Scum's argument when they know they've lost an argument.

And im not covering up my mistake, I feel the slip seems faked, and its not even a slip.

It's impossible to fake a slip, and Toasty' didn't fake it. Also yes it is a slip.

and instead of saying "your missing the point" countless times, tell me what im "missing" so i stop "missing" it.

Um, I keep doing that, and you keep missing the point. I mean, wow. WOOOOOOSHfest 2011.

they could have arranjed that the partner would "notice" the slip on Day 2, that the parter would "notice" it Day 3, or that he wouldn't "notice" it at all. You "not understanding" this disapoints me.

Now tell me the motivation for waiting this far into day to "notice" something like that.
*crickets*

[Parama]

I'm so pissed at malp/kiwi because one of them's an idiot townie who will make my blacklist once the game's over for failing to comprehend basic logic.

[Parama]

@SC:

Im fine with everyone but bobsnox tbh.

kiwi why are you tunneling me? No one is going to revive you and no one is going to revive me. get over your hard-on for me

As long, as you/malpascp dont get revived im fine not getting revived.

Malp: Maybe.
bobsnox: hell no.

You really aren't trying anymore are you?

[Parama]

Are you sure you understand my post correctly? I've stated that, if there are no Night 2 deaths, then my three picks for scum are bobsnox, kiwieagle, and malpascp. Your response supports my stance on kiwieagle and denies that bobsnox is scummy.

I'm giving quotes from kiwi's posts that make a 3-person scumteam consisting of those three players impossible. Kiwi/malp could be scum together, tho,ugh I feel that's unlikely, malp/bobsnox could be scum together, but kiwi/bob isn't happening, and all three is out of the question.

[Parama]

I'm so pissed at malp/kiwi because one of them's an idiot townie who will make my blacklist once the game's over for failing to comprehend basic logic.

You might as well blacklist me now, cause im town.

I'm probably going to blacklist you either way, honestly

[Parama]

Kiwi answer this quick
do you have a post restriction?

[Parama]

Me getting games confused <_<

[Parama]

I still love how people think I'm scum with Toasty even though neither of us are scum xD

[Parama]

Thats all?

When the smart, living people get around and hammer Toasty, it'll be proven that a me-toasty team, at the very least, is impossible.

[Parama]

Gah, Bub's playing so well, I almost think my crazy conspiracy theory has no basis >.<

[Parama]

The slip is my entire Toasty-town case.

By definition of townslip,

THAT'S ALL IT NEEDS TO BE

.

[Parama]

I actually did say pretty much the same thing to kiwi already <_<

I believe Toasty townslipped. Why the hell would I need more of a case than that?

[Parama]

probably added Pome because Pome's my other top town read

[Parama]

Scum, delay the revive all you want, but you know it's going through no matter how you try to stop it. You can't discredit a legitimate towntell. Nope. Sorry. Ain't gonna happen. And you know that once Toasty is revived, you're completely screwed. Just sit back and watch your world crumble around you, please. It's less painful this way.

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I'ma vote ToastyToast.

Then do it?

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sup

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various forms of media

also

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deathnote
999
spongebob

two of them are meme-ish in quality, one is just because I felt like spoiling a major plot point in a game and also looking evil

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BTW, read the endgame of Mini 973. I stole two pictures from there <_<
It's also the best endgame ever.

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Fun fact: I know Pie from SH and we got to see an even more elaborate I WIN --> I LOSE reaction in mafiahero.

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but yeah anyways I'm town and Toasty is town sup

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THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS
WAS A TRIIIIIIIIIIIIIUMPH

Malp you know as well a I do what a no NK means. Unless scum are playing silly games with us (and there is no good reason for them to not kill) it means we have four living town players. Or an afk crypto-scum, but crypto's town so.

By my math, a town-vive today wins us the game.
5 living town players, 7 players in limbo - even if there's only two scum, that'll be 5 of 10 town players alive, which is half the total pro-town players. And if there's 3 scum, then it's 5 players of out 9, which is over half. Woopity wop let's win this game today.

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EBWOP:
Forgot to mention, but this was a huge success.

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I had to swing votes away from Bub yesterday and I'm sure as hell going to make sure he doesn't get revived today either.
No offense Bub but my conspiracy theory is still a possibility so

vote: Pome

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If the conspiracy is true then he's scum so.

P-edit: Oh hey Kiwi so here's the deal if you can't answer all these questions, you will stop even hinting that I am scum.
If I was scum:
1.Why did I go out of my way to revive Toasty, even though he claimed some sort of PR whilst Bub did not? Wouldn't it be safer for me to let Bub get revived, knowing that he has a lower chance of being a PR that Toasty?
2. Why would I point out a legitimate townslip as scum?
3. Why didn't I kill last night?

Good day to you sir. Occam's razor says every living player is town.

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EBWOP: That first line is at Packbat's post before Kiwi's crap.

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1. You're dodging the questions. Answer.
2. If I'm scum, Toasty is town, which means his townslip is legitimate. Now answer the question.
3. Yesterday, most people agreed that I was the most town out of the living players. If there was a kill, the suspicion would almost immediately default to crypto. So why didn't I kill?

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1. You're dodging the questions. Answer.
2. If I'm scum, Toasty is town, which means his townslip is legitimate. Now answer the question.
3. Yesterday, most people agreed that I was the most town out of the living players. If there was a kill, the suspicion would almost immediately default to crypto. So why didn't I kill?

1. Did you ever ask if Bud was a PR? No. And that shield thingy is from toasty most probably, which DOESNT AFFECT SCUM IF THEY ARE ALIVE
2. If hes town its NOT because of his townslip, and town cred etc. etc.
3. Thats WIFOM. and had you killed people would of been more cautious of the revival, because they knew scum would be alive. and YES people would of been suspicious of you. Especially when you are trying so hard to revive Pom.

1. Even so, a claimed PR has a much higher chance of being a PR than an unclaimed PR. In other news, how could I have known what Toasty's PR was if he didn't claim it?
2. I revived him solely on the basis of the townslip, which nobody was able to disprove. Packbat revived him based on the same townslip. He's town because of his role PM, and he's confirmed town to the rest of us because of the townslip. Also I already pointed out why I wouldn't need towncred.
3. Your default response to questions you can't answer is "WIFOM LOL". I'm going to ignore it. If there had been a kill, do you think I would've been eager to vote, btw? We'd have been in the same LyLo situation we were in yesterday.

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1. But part of your argument was that Toasty's role couldn't affect living scum, yet nobody knew this role yesterday. I'm saying that part of your argument is invalid.
2. The people who disapproved were the scum who knew it was a townslip and the idiot townsfolk who can't play mafia.
3. No, I did read the whole answer, and answered it. You have not answered any of my questions satisfactorily.

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1. Your question is completely irrelevant to the line of conversation.
2. Yes it was.
3. The point is, there is no satisfactory answer to any of the question I initially posed, because I am not scum.

I'm done with this pointless line of questioning. Instead, have some metal.

This thread is now about sharing music.

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By the way:
I am officially done putting any effort into this game. Town wins when Pome is revived. Let's all party! :3

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You can't call half the players in the game scum and still say "I was right wheeeeee".

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SC, kiwi's town.
Incredibly stupid blacklisted town, but still town.

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conspiracies is why

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He's been a possibility because the other scum members want him to be a possibility.

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I have scumvibes from Pom but no one cares so whatevs.

If you explained said scum-vibes/backed them up I might.

HERPADERP

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bobsnox I think you're probably town but you're going to aim your power in the wrong direction more likely than not <_<

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>wanted to be alive solely due to PR claim
>isn't going to shoot

<_<

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crypto should be replaced

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no wait never mind don't have to replace him

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CDB, a game where town can be one revive from winning and get screwed over by a role that basically guarantees mafia a win if revived?
Eh... no, not exactly happy about that.

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At least I was right about 2 of 3 scum, but... really?

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Pomegranate +3
...
What the hell I think is going down in this thread:
SC/Bub/malp scumteam.

yeah.
the problem was that nobody but Pome really looked townie enough for me to revive D2 :/

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On D2,
bobsnox was not looking good.
kiwi was too stupid to revive even though I had him as town (note: a PM to me is what got him modkilled and super-blacklisted from me; I will never play a game with this idiot again.)
AntB was... just there.
SC still fit too nicely into my 3-man scumteam (and I was right about all but him soooo)
Trow was one of my top scumpicks based on ISO alone.

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The problem with Pome's role is that it is an automatic mafia win if she's revived.
Simulations:
Going into night 1 with 2:1, day 1 starts with 2 mafia having votes and only one town having votes. Scum wins.
Going into night 2 with 3:1, day 2 starts with 2 mafia having votes and only one town having votes. Scum wins.
Going into night 3 with 4:1, day 3 starts with 2 mafia having votes and two town having votes. With a quicker vote, scum wins. Most likely scenario because scum know who's town but town don't.
It doesn't matter past that point, because if town goes into night 3 with 5 town alive, it's an automatic town win (half of town revived wincon).
The role is inherently broken because it means scum win with a single revive.

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Guys you're dumb scum couldn't kill night 1 stop doing dumb things.