Might as well finish up with the quotes I already pulled. After my previous question about Rhinox being NKed, Prosaurus comes up with this:
Prosaurus wrote:Heh. I reckon what's happening with the night kill is LL/FS (or maybe only one of them) has done this NK so they can say scum are trying to frame them. If it's only one of them it's good for scum because then a townie will be lynched if they're caught.
So now he goes from not having any thoughts on the NK from actually using it to point at me and Farside.
Another post that reinforces my Duplicity read:
Duplicity wrote:Unfortunatly I don't have the time needed to fully go into the case at the current moment however I will briefly go into what I came across in my re-read and what I discussed with G. There was an incident about half way through day one that everyone has seemed to have forgotten.
This incident involved EA believing that Farside was editing and manipulating her posts and occured in
Post #147,
Post #149,
Post #150 and
Post #156. I don't see EA screenshotting his partners posts and stating it openely in the thread with knowledge that it could potentially lead towards Farsides mod-kill and a major inconvienance towards his scum-team. This means I don't see any possible way that Farside can be scum with LL. Considering that the only thing G and I both agree upon is our solid town read on Prosarus this means that Twistedspoon absouletly has to be mafia.
Vote: Twistedspoon
I'm incredibly comfortable with this vote, excluding the fact that he's essentially confirmed mafia via PoE (Process of Elimination) he is also attempting to skeet his way through this day without actually attempting to do any scumhunting. He himself has stated that he believes Pros is mafia, quite strongly actually however has not once attempted to convince anyone of this nor has he attempted to state alternate reads he has or what he believes of the fact that Farside wasn't actually lynched yesterday.
I believe LL has gone into his linkages and connection with NE enough that I need-not go into it myself but this is all going to come down to whether or not Quilford is willing to reconsider his incorrect read of Twistedspoon or not. If this lynch does go ahead, without meaning to sound arrogant I believe our slot is likely to bite the night-kill tonight meaning I would rather we not rush through this day until I can have another conversation with G about who we believe the other mafia is - He has a strong FoS towards LL however has been unable to explain it to me without pointing to a awkward bit of interaction from NE to EA on day one which is close to meaningless as it could have just been a subtle attempt at buddying.
The ruling out of the me-Farside team looks as though Duplicity is thinking about connections and possibilities in a very pro-town manner, particularly as it leads directly to a TS vote. I do now note that the 'awkward bit of interaction' is the crux of the case Gorilla made on me, which is amusing in a slightly distressing kind of way.
That read is reinforced with this response to Quilford:
Duplicity wrote:The vote count if anything points towards Farside and my slot rather than LL's so can you explain how that VCA leads you to believe that LL is scum. This honestly is looking like you attempting to avoid posting reasoning or logic behind your gut-read on LL while also avoiding explaining your town-read on Twisted in greater depth.
There's no way I can stand back and observe a lynch on anyone other than Twistedspoon occur without you changing my mind in regards to Twisted or presenting a case that I find reasonable towards LL/Farside since I don't see any legitimate way that Pros is scum.
Duplicity actually tells Quilford that his VCA is wrong and points away from me and towards himself and Farside. Again, it wool have been very easy to go down the path of letting Quilford push my lynch.
I return to Prosaurus here with some (gasp) actual reads:
Prosaurus wrote:My reads...
Dup - Town, given me no reason to suspect him.
LL - Scum, read carried over from EA, posted some stuff recently I believe.
FS - Scummy, PoE and stuff, think I posted stuff recently as well.
TS - Scummy, I reckon he coulda bussed and he seemed to not do much D1 if I remember, he didn't D2 either, but I can at least partly understand that.
Will look for my recent reads.
The one that really bothers me here is that Prosaurus now thinks that TS 'coulda bussed'. If you recall (or even bothered to read) my D3 analysis, Prosaurus explicitly said that he didn't see why TS would bus and strongly implied he didn't think he was scum. Now, with no apparent indication of why, he thinks TS might have been bussing. Is it a coincidence now that half the town want to lynch TS? I think not. It's also posts like these that make me think Pro is playing the lazy newb card a little too strong. Read his recently completed newbie. He goes through post by post at times and comments on things by post number. Here it's 'I think he posted stuff recently'. I think he's deliberately trying to look as though he doesn't know what's going on.
This one confounds me a little:
Prosaurus wrote:You know what I don't like? TS pushing the least experienced player (Me) to vote LL. If I did that and LL wasn't scum then wouldn't scum quickhammer and town loses? He seems bored, like he just wants the game to hurry up and end. Actually, I don't think LL and TS are both scum, because either scum is voting LL or LL is scum. Does that mean FS is scum with one of those two?
This is...actually kinda accurate. I think that's the first time I've read one of Pro's posts and thought that. Prosaurus is obviously feeling pressurised by TS here, and he doesn't like it. The fact that he says it gives me a gut town read. On the flip side, he also states that he doesn't think TS and I are scum together, an opinion that has conveniently disappeared again today.
Prosaurus challenges again for scummiest post of the game:
Prosaurus wrote:I agree that TS hasn't done much in this game, but neither have I. I'd rather play it safe and lynch FS...
So TS has been as useless as Pro, which is an excuse to give him a pass? It's almost as though he's trying to use the towncred he's bought by being spectacularly useless to extend to TS. The 'play it safe' part really bothers me here; it's just opening himself up for an easy wagon hop when he's actually shown no conviction over FS being scum at all - let's not forget that one of the two main points of his case was 'stuff'. Now today he has completely dropped FS, despite the fact that he doesn't seem to understand the implications of TS's 'hammer' and whether it was fake or not, and gone back to me, when he ruled me out just yesterday based on me vs TS.
And that's about it. If you don't believe me by now, there's not much else I can do. I'll continue to fight my corner until deadline, so if anyone has any more questions etc., fire away.