New York 134: Planet of Hats (Scum Win!)

[65536]

Peregrine should post like nao.

7 posts in ISO, half of which are just votes and the last of which makes an unfulfilled promise of reads.

Like, really?

That's not even active lurking.

The reason to take out KoC now is that they are a decent candidate for a mafia RB which would invalidate having Palisade kill them as a show of fealty.

-TO

Sorry, we had half-year close at work so this week was RL stuff.

So far only done Sancholates and JDGA, was going to do Palisades but I believe the vig claim, so I'll push it to the end.
So far they both appear townish, but need to update for the last 5 pages.

Give us what you have so far and how you got there. We're sympathetic to RL issues but we really need whatever you can contribute - even townreads.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Considering I know there's AT LEAST one more vote interested in lynching us (KoC)--probably more--you guys just earned yourself a claim.

We Are The Vigilante.

We shot Krypt last night, duh. (Who else would have?) This is an extremely scum-driven wagon, because Redhead Vig-Slipped when he posted that note from our QT (the one mentioning Tomie being the scum kill).

You say I softclaimed to drag you out, because as a Mafia Roleblocker, a very powerful role, it

makes comeplete fucking sense

for myself to trade my life for a vig (who could have a doctor protecting him for all we know) but let's be honest here, you only claimed because you had 5 votes on yourself and added me as an "honorary member" of the wagon. You were so fucking eager to claim that you added ghostvotes onto your own wagon just to make claiming now seem feasible.

[bvoigt]

KoC's reactions look town to me.

[Thor665]

You seem to be missing the "hoping for scum to shoot me" part of the equation here.
But thanks for basically admitting you'd rather lynch me than the person who could well be an SK. Oh, and you're also accepting the fact I softclaimed vig, which I had LITERALLY ZERO REASON TO DO AS SCUM.

Could you just explain to me where my understanding of your thought process is wrong;

You're hinting at being a Vig so scum will kill you - best gain for town; you're dead.
You admit that the BEST play for a Vig would be to kill someone who softclaimed Vig - worst situation for town; you're dead.

So...what where you gaining for us by your softclaim lie?

[CryMeARiver]

Anybody want a friendly votecount from your neighborhood backup mod, just give me a shout!

[SleepyKrew]

Mostly caught up, need to re-read some walls.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: KoC
I believe the VigSlip.
Anyone notice KoC rolefishing PBuG a couple pages ago?

[TBuG]

@65536, this was where I thought I saw a scumtell:

Since then the only people catching my eye are Thor, Reck, KoC and Tomie. The first two just aggressive seemingly pushing for any sort of lynch, one coasting by and Tomie more evasive and deflective than anything.

Also, I think six+ months on site isn't really a 'newb' anymore.

Also, primo scum motivation for doing so: You have a Mafia Roleblocker or Mafia Doc, and softclaiming draws out the real counterpart, who you promptly kill. Congratulations on successfully implementing this tactic.

You say I softclaimed to drag you out, because as a Mafia Roleblocker, a very powerful role, it

makes comeplete fucking sense

for myself to trade my life for a vig (who could have a doctor protecting him for all we know) but let's be honest here, you only claimed because you had 5 votes on yourself and added me as an "honorary member" of the wagon. You were so fucking eager to claim that you added ghostvotes onto your own wagon just to make claiming now seem feasible.

Where did Palisade specifically say

you

are the Mafia RB/Doc? Their logic looks perfectly good to me, and I would not be surprised if you're a goon with a teammate who is RB/Doc.

Additionally, when Palisade claimed, they had seven votes on them by my count (L-3, even though JDGA seemed to think there was one more vote on) and with the vigslip I think it was perfectly logical to claim then.

Anyone notice KoC rolefishing PBuG a couple pages ago?

I did. I ignored it because I didn't think it was solidly obvious as rolefishing. This post, yes?

@Back-up Mod, I would

love

a votecount.

[SleepyKrew]

That would be the one.

[Wraith]

Votecount 2.2

Knight of Cydonia

(4)

:

Thor665,

PBuG

, Palisade, PBuG, SleepyKrew

Palisade

(2)

:

xRECKONERx

,

SleepyKrew

,

Celebloki

, sanchocolates, Taro,

chkballin

,

BeaverWeasel

,

JDGA

Celebloki

(2)

:

PBuG

, xRECKONERx, chkballin

chkballin

(1)

:

Palisade

, bvoigt

PBuG

(1)

:

SleepyKrew

, Knight of Cydonia,

Palisade

,

Celebloki

,

Taro

jilynne1991

(1)

:

Parabollocks

Parabollocks

(1)

:

65536

SleepyKrew

(0)

:

xRECKONERx

JDGA

(0)

:

chkballin

Noting Voting

(6)

:

Mist7676, jilynne1991, Zebronic, PeregrineV, JDGA, BeaverWeasel

With 19 alive it takes

10

to lynch.

Deadline is

July 13, 2011

A little late, my bad again. Days are flying by faster than they seem.

Sanchocolates

has requested replacement. Also, I believe

jilynne1991

will be

LA

for an indefinite amount of time.

Parabollocks

has been prodded.

[SleepyKrew]

KoC wagon tags.

Fixed. I have a habit of typing /b instead of /s

[Taro]

Reck, besides having your own reason, can you elaborate on your hop onto Celebloki from Palisade?

[chkballin]

Again sorry for the lack of activity...
To address any concerns of me being a newb vs. my join date(Dec 2010)...if you bothered to check my wiki you would know that I joined the site to stalk chkflip <3 and wasn't active for like 3-4 months because I didn't care to play then my first newbie game was in April 2011, but whatevs I am not here to play that card.

Real life for chkflip and myself has been kind of hectic- moreso on his part than my own, since he's had limited access to the computer. If this keeps up we will be asking for a replacement, but as of right now we are working on a catch up post and hopefully we will be able to come through with it.

~

BALLIN

[TBuG]

"I don't want to play the newbie card, but I'm a newbie."

[chkballin]

Okay PBuG...I get it-anything I say is going to be scummy to you, but let's just try for a second to use common sense. I was being honest and pointing out the truth in the fact that I am a newbie isn't playing the newbie card- I was addressing what you said. I am a newbie, but that isn't an excuse because this hydra has enough experience behind it with it's other head. So calm down and put your scum paint can away for a second and use your brain- I have enough stress IRL to not want to deal with all the weakness that is your arguments.

~

BALLIN

[Wraith]

I must ask that any players that may have limited access (instead of a more difficult problem) not replace out. As I announced in the sign-up thread (but not here), I will be mod-killing Mist7676's slot if I do not find a replacement for her by the end of this day (meaning by the deadline for this day).

[TBuG]

anything I say is going to be scummy to you

That's actually blatantly false, but as far as the rest of your post, point taken and I apologize.

[xRECKONERx]

THESE VOTE COUNTS ARE STILL CONFUSING ME AND I JUST WANT SOMEONE DEAD RIGHT NOW.

*sigh* This game has stalled out so hard.

[65536]

Got Bored let's do a Voter analysis

Spoiler: Knight of Cydonia Wagon

Yar. Looking back I think I'm going to;

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

Also, protip - when you're miller you claim miller Day 1. There is so much gak we wouldn't have even had to do if DK had been sitting behind a miller claim like he should have.

Basically a vote boiling down to him thinking KoC is active lurking as seen in the discussion over the first three posts here:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3164016

Town Motivated

Pallisade

• Vote on PBuG http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3165583 its a vote based more on Swag than PBuG this read is from Almond
  
• Vote on ChkBallin http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3169687 very short lived (12mins) I'd like to know more about this

Know what? I'll sheep Thor.

Unvote, Vote: KoC

.

Yar. Looking back I think I'm going to;

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

Also, protip - when you're miller you claim miller Day 1. There is so much gak we wouldn't have even had to do if DK had been sitting behind a miller claim like he should have.

What's your reason to voting him?

The scumteam has revealed itself!

Thanks, Sancho. You've made this a walk in the park for us. Celebloki, Ballin, Sancho, KoC. They die. Today.

So it all comes down to a sheep vote admittedly on someone that they have previously stated is scummy.

Null

I believe jilynne's claim and I agree that it only really helps town that she claimed.

Vote: PBuG

Modkill doesnt make him any less scum.

...reasoning? I don't understand what DK's modkill has to do with me.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

I agree with this reasoning and the rest of PBuG's posts are town leans for me. However had changed to Celebloki for their vote on Pallisade then changed back after BW gave something, I agree with this and did see it.

Town Motivated

SleepyKrew

• Vote on PBuG, http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p3164261 basically reasoning for a Swag lynch, doesn't want to lynch KoC: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3164283
  
• Pallisade sheep vote, basically to get off reck's radar imo

Mostly caught up, need to re-read some walls.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: KoC
I believe the VigSlip.
Anyone notice KoC rolefishing PBuG a couple pages ago?

I like the final vote but the way he has been flipflopping all day makes me think if anyone on this wagon is scum it's Sleepy

scum? motivation

Pallisade Wagon

Well neither player has posted since the claim except for this:

Reck, besides having your own reason, can you elaborate on your hop onto Celebloki from Palisade?

Taro, go read the fragging thread.

Spoiler: Celebloki Wagon

Reck

• Vote on SleepyKrew
  
• Vote on Pallisade, it's a Godhammer vote, he had said he'd do this

TIME TO SHEEP PBUG CHOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOO

VOTE: CELEBOKI

PBUG: DOING RECK'S ANALYSIS SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO SINCE 2011

First thought, Taro really needs to read the thread. Though all in all

Town Motivated

Chkballin

• Vote on JDGA http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3162667 I understand the reasoning and the reason for the hop off, I like it
  
• Vote on Pallisade http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3178427

Vig claim? My gut says no, but that makes more sense than Krypt investigating jilynne.

UNVOTE: Palisade
VOTE: Celebloki

I have my own non-sheep reasons for the vote, but you'll have to wait for my part of the case until I get a chance to post it.

I would like to hear this reasoning.

Chkballin Wagon

I checked Mini 973, where Hoopla (who's in charge of Normal Game review) fakeclaimed PGO. She said a scum or vig kill would still kill her. So jilynne's claim is more believable than I originally thought.

VOTE: chkballin

Something about this vote rubs me up the wrong way, probably because since the start of the day he was talking to Jily about her claim. However this on closer inspection just seems to be a vote carried over from yesterday.

PBuG Wagon

...reasoning? I don't understand what DK's modkill has to do with me.

Vote: Knight of Cydonia

because he spent 90% of his posts on day 1 clamoring for DK's lynch with no other valuable input whatsoever.

a) deliberate misrep, stating "the fact DK was modkilled doesn't make PBuG less scummy" isn't an implication that DK's modkill has an effect on you, it's a clear statement of "okay, the fucktard is out of the way, continue as normal".

b) blatant hypocrisy, given that you yourself stated that after reading the thread twice (which you admitted to not actually doing), DK was your only scumread. You're voting me for pushing hard on your only scumread of your own. Yeah, I tunnelled yesterday, but 1) frankly, getting DK out of this game sooner rather than later was of paramount importance to making this game semi-playable. The fact that you're dragging DK back into this stinks of a desire to reobfuscate the scum hunting, just as he did yesterday.

Vote: PBuG

On closer inspection this seems to be more I want to be on a wagon on someone voting me Thor doesn't look wagonable, go PBuG. KoC, What do you think of Celebloki?

Jily Wagon

i don't believe jily's claim, and i haven't even read the thread.

VOTE: jily

reading now, PGO claim is shit, why don't you just claim fucking vig while you're at it.

I really don't like this vote or any of his posts today, compounding that with his atrocious reads here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3142974 I'm going to leave TO's vote there but will hammer KoC

Votecount 2.2

Noting Voting

(6)

:

Mist7676

rep

, jilynne1991

(V/LA)

, Zebronic, PeregrineV, JDGA, BeaverWeasel

Well the first three have somewhat legitimate reasons for not voting yet, but you last three are two scum and a town.

-m

[Wraith]

THESE VOTE COUNTS ARE STILL CONFUSING ME AND I JUST WANT SOMEONE DEAD RIGHT NOW.

*sigh* This game has stalled out so hard.

Reck, let me put it this way: unless you are doing a VCA, completely ignore the names that are slashed out, okay?

I might start rearranging anyways. The names that are slashed out are still in chronological order but I might shove them to the back of the line to make it a little easier to read.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Mostly caught up, need to re-read some walls.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: KoC
I believe the VigSlip.
Anyone notice KoC rolefishing PBuG a couple pages ago?

...wait, what? Stating "the only reason for Palisade to do X is if he is Z and you are Y" isn't rolefishing, it's me giving my interpretation. If I'd said "oh, btw, ARE YOU A TOWN PR?" (which I didn't

at all

in that post, that'd be rolefishing.
I'm pretty much resigned to my fate here now. This wagon is being pushed on the most trivial things - hurr, you tunneled DK, king of acting scummy as FUCK everywhere; hurr, you made an (in retrospect, ill-advised) gambit to draw a scum kill, must be scum; hurr, you stated that the only reason for Palisade to act in that manner is if PBuG is a PR, must be scum, can't possibly just be hypothesising at all here, durr. Not like even PBuG didn't call me out on rolefishing in that post. Gee, that might be because it wasn't rolefishing.
Just get it over with, I'm tired of playing with the sheep.

[xRECKONERx]

Reck, besides having your own reason, can you elaborate on your hop onto Celebloki from Palisade?

See: everything already stated by PBuG

Honestly I'm considering replacing out due to apathy but then Wraith posted the plead for NO MORE REPLACEMENTS sooo I think I'll stick around.

[Zebronic]

Been busy. decent post coming tomorrow

[Wraith]

Parabollocks appears to have neglected to inform me of a V/LA he was taking. His second prod has been expunged.

[SleepyKrew]

KoC is giving up with a whole 4 votes on him. Nice.
VIHydra:
Nice misrep.

[jilynne1991]

Post coming...later? I'm not seeing any scum, besides Parabollocks, but now it looks like I'm OMGUSing...so if I was right, there wouldn't be any scum. This game is frustrating. Oh wait, and KOC, but that's confusing, cuz I often give up with just a few votes on me too! So I could see that coming from both scum and town.