Mass Effect Mafia (Draw)

[ShadowGuru]

/confirm

This is gonna be sweet by the looks of the abilities, but wierd since we all know each others' roles. If I read my mikeburnfire correctly, Forensigator sees who targeted a dead player, correct?

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

/confirm from CMAR's end

lol @ no VT's.

[ShadowGuru]

Step 1: Everyone explain there roles thoroughly

As far as ours goes, we

can

protect the same person two nights in a row and we

can

protect ourselves.

Step 2: There's no sample role PM. Paraphrasing wincon to attempt clearish status now.

Indoctrinated and Infected peeps need to die and we need to eliminate threats to peacefulness.

Now unless you think we already gained a fake role PM as maf with town win con, that means we are clearish. And we can protect ourselves. Imagine that.

Step 3: Skip RVS successfully once we hit that stage with this post.

- CMAR

[ShadowGuru]

Well, I've never had a Redirect power before, but I guess I do something like 'X redirect to Y'

My wincon is accomplished when all infected and indoctrinated folks are dead. Or, for some, dead again. (Note: flavor)

Does your role PM not explain?

And I would think all of town would have one wincon...

/confirm

I can follow a person at night and see whoever they visited. My wincon is when all indoctrinated and infected players are dead, and all the threats to the peace in the galaxy are eliminated.

Don't directly quote your role PM. Plus I trust no one's "wincon" after I posted it because anyone could just have easily asked the mod for a protown wincon after my post. I don't consider you "clear" at all despite you having my exact wincon, but I do consider me "clearish".

Okay, I've never played smalltown setup but I don't think the JOAT, doctor, or bus driver would be mafia.

Alignments have NOTHING to do with the role. Hence the setup being smalltown. The alignments were randomized amongst the roles. That's why this setup is pure scumhunting as we already know everyone's role.

God I'm glad I didn't get Udina. That's how you get rewarded for picking the best draft numbers eh Rhinox.

/confirm.

I know, right? The 3rd re-roll I just rolled a 10,10 and told the mods to just give me whoever was left

p.s. what does a governor do anyways, I've never seen the role before?

It doesn't say in your Role PM? Why did you have to use the wiki? It thoroughly explains my role in the role PM and mine is basic.

[ShadowGuru]

I still havent got a pm yet. what is everyone confirming?

Oh. Fancy that.

[ShadowGuru]

@Nintendo:

Now unless you think we already gained a fake role PM as maf with town win con, that means we are clearish.

Read more.

I did not quote my role pm. If you really have the same wincon as me, you will see that I've changed the phrasing a little bit.

I didn't compare to my role PM wincon, I just noted the words "indoctrinated and infected players", "threats", "peace", and "galaxy" and assumed that you copied it.

Yes, the MOD already cleared this up. But with complete randomization, there is the chance of an unbalanced game which is the assumption I was working upon.

My post came before the mods, I wasn't trying to be an ass...

And yes, I understand that, but there's enough practically enough power in the game to balance out any powerful mafia team.

[ShadowGuru]

"No, I meant the MODs had already told this before the game began." - Marco

I just emphasized it.

Quote for ISO.

@Mod: My bad

[ShadowGuru]

Waiting on Hira

[ShadowGuru]

Ugh, finally.

Vote: Spyrex

, as he is clearly a spy.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

((The randomized anti-town alignment PMs are now being sent out...))

Screw you taking away my clearness -__-

[ShadowGuru]

hmmmm... I have NEVER seen a Governor be able to save themselves from lynch. In-fact, I don't recall ANY power roles that can use their power on themselves such as cop, doc, tracker etc.

mod says I can, asked right after receiving my role PM.

whats so scary about a governor anyways? Only bad scenario I can think of is that a scum governor is unlynchable in lylo. Conversely, a town governor is only really helpful in lylo as far as I can tell.

If its a role everyone is really so worried about being scum, being an open setup, at anytime you guys can ask me to use it on myself (or any other player) and take the role out of consideration.

Do you end the day without a lynch?

[ShadowGuru]

AFAIK a

Universal

Backup replaces

anything

, depending on what PR dies first. I read a game today that had a Universal Backup that actually backed up a PGO.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

-Toogeloo pushing the governor lynch while being universal backup is terribad

-Silent Wraith's blatant bandwagon and then attempting to pass it off as "RVS" is even worse to me.

Unvote Vote: Silent Wraith

Yeah, these are things people have already said, I know.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

@nintendo: See that I signed my post "Wraith" I believe it would be safe to assume that, yes, there is a player in this hydra named Wraith. That kind of makes "Silent Wraith" a confusing hydra name.

Toogeloo's big quotepost "justifying" his "randomvote" using technicalities rubs me the wrong way.

CMARhead is V/LA from now until the 16th, so you're stuck with me.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Even though there's not a cop in the game as well.

So, you were just blurting out the first thing you felt might get the wagon off you?

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

SW's "Hiraki hasn't done much scumhunting apart from pushing a townread on Toogeloo therefore he must die" argument just further cements my scumread on him.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

I don't know about you, nintendo, but my experience with townHiraki (3-4 games) is him being super-scummy and drawing my ire. I don't think I've played with scumHiraki, though.

Still, Hiraki's reasoning for townToog is meh and and his reasoning for not-scumMarco is ew. Even still, I don't think he's scum.

I do not like nintendo's "lol Hiraki is scum cuz he say Toog is town then scum then town even though one of those posts is a painfully-obvious typo. Also even though I'm all up against Hiraki I'll still vote Toog" So in general if nintendo is not scum he's still using craplogic to determine his suspects.

I don't see concrete evidence for scumEnder but this

I'm certainly not liking the fact that Hiraki thinks i am top scum and wants me to be lynched over one tiny thing.

On the Marco scum-death thing, considering he is a newbie, i remember being scum newbie and i openly said kill me. The scum tend to do that more oftan than town actually. VOTE: Marco

is ewewewew-bad

Hiraki, enlighten me. Why is Ender scum?

SW remain my top scumread.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Oh wow, now that I've actually taken the effort to put two-and-two together I realize that Hiraki/nintendo's beef with Jason is totally contrived and a blatant misrep.

Unvote Vote; Nintendo

Hiraki's is ewewewew but Nintendo is the one blowing the issue out of proportion and basically sheeping Hiraki. Maybe I'll make a more detailed explanation for this later, if I'm bored.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

What do you know, I'm bored now. Doubt I'll finish this before work, though.

Marco is a newbie though.

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

Interesting defending here I feel.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Jason's conclusion is logical. Hiraki is making one of the strangest and most misguided proxy defenses I've ever seen. Nowhere in his then-recent posts does Jason imply we are lynching marco for being a newbie and, in fact,

was not even voting for marco at the time

, merely pointing out a stupid accusation.

I also really hate the fact that SpyRex and Reck come out of nowhere and start joining in on the attack on Jason.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

Because I'm a nerd who browses wikis for fun, I'm going to try to refute this stupid case against Jason with a few topics from the wiki. Specifically under "Logical Fallacies." This post above, to me, is a variation of Correlation Implies Causation. In this case "Marco is a noob." "Jason wants Marco lynched (

lie by the way

)." "Therefore, Jason wants marco lynched because marco is a noob." I don't know where you drew this conclusion Hiraki. This leads into the next logical fallacy, a varriation of the Loaded Question

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

Of course you don't in game, but I'm just saying what's in your head.

how do you know what is in my head?

inception.

The funny part is, you've never denied that this wasn't in your head.

Your turn shall come.

So Hiraki said "You want Marco lynched because he's noob. (

lie

)" Jason: "No I don't, nowhere have I said this (

truth

)" Hiraki: "You haven't said it but it's in your head." Jason: "How do you know what's in my head?" Hiraki: "See? You haven't denied that the idea's in your head!"

how do you know what is in my head?

Wait, you're not den- hold on. Lookie what was on the next page!

The funny part is, you've never denied that this wasn't in your head.

FoS jason

NINTENDO OUTTA NOWHERE

Here's where interactions get a bit screwy. A page ago SpyRex was all like "oh why you want lynch marco for newbieness jason?" and then he's like "oh why is marco so dumb he must be teh scum"

Then Hiraki's all like "lol marco is noob he's stupid" And

Jason's

the one arguing about the connotations of Marco's "newbie status"?

So Nintendo's starting the wail on Jason using Hiraki's craplogic...

I think it is self evident what my last post meant.. you are both attempting to put words in my mouth.

Still not denying it. I'd vote you, but my vote is already on your partner.

...and Hiraki implies he is sheeping scum.

Sigh. Nintendo.

Just sheep.

So Nintendo must be insane, or lacks basic reading comprehension, because apparently this post by Jason admits that he was "thinking about setting up a lynch on marco tomorrow":

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was thinking it, and didn't deny it.

If I really have to spell it out for you post-by-post what Jason actually was saying in every post he made up to this point, I'll go over to your house and change your damn daiper for you.

So look at Nintendo/Hiraki's "case" and remember:

Jason was never the one advocating for Marco's lynch

[ShadowGuru]

Forgot

FoS: Hiraki

IMO this is kind of normal Hiraki behavior aside from a lack of semi-lurky behavior. Maybe slightly abnormal in the misrepping departments but Hiraki will stay put as my #3 suspect for now.

Now, I don't have any meta on Nintendo, so I don't know if this is normal behavior. Until proven otherwise I think Nintendo is scum. Town has no motive for misrepping this hard.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Nintendo.

Your case is fucking horrible.

Shut up.

Not that I disagree, but the funny thing is, Hiraki, nintendo's "case" is pretty much yours with another layer of craplogic on top.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Hey SpyRex, if we don't lynch Nintendo today, could you do me a favor and please shoot him? I promise I won't protect him.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Oh wait, Jason has a shot.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Guys, yeah, a few of ender's posts have been groanworthy, but not lynchworthy. Especially when we have better candidates in SilentWraith and Nintendo. Reck's trolling and SpyRex is sheeping Reck. Why are you all following them again?

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

I disagree, but it's moot. The "scum would totally self-hammer" is such a WIFOM-y generality that it's a null-tell.

Forgot to put this in my last post: I'd attribute most of ender's actions to ender being ender, not so much ender being scum.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

well that has been disproven as nothing but misrep and lies by multiple people, and others have told you to shut up as its not a case.

Lies?
No sir, I was quoting what you said. So the lies were yours.

There go like a thousand of my brain cells.

[ShadowGuru]

I'm tired of this stupid back-and-forth. When I get back from work tonight, I am going to go through every single one of the posts in question that Jason made and explain in baby terms what was actually said.

[ShadowGuru]

Surprise homework prevents me from coming through with promised wall, but I leave you tonight with this.

Lie 1

Im not ignoring the post I just dont need to deny anything as I never even so much as implied it in the first place. what you are pushing is plain crap.

Its a null issue, close to a void issue and you seem intent on strawmanning it.

Please show any indication that I was thinking that I could be setting up tomorrows lynch. Can you? if not then I don't need to deny anything. Only if you could show indication of me thinking it can I then deny or confirm anything.

You know what you sound like right now? "I'm not saying if I set him up for a lynch... but I'm not saying if I didn't either."

You are deliberately withholding information that is CONSTANTLY being asked of you, for what? Cause you think it's a crap case. Wow. Of course scum would say that when they are shitting themselves. Any indication you were thinking of setting up lynches?

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was

thinking

it, and didn't deny it.

Out of your own mouth, no less.

Lie 2

Oh wow, now that I've actually taken the effort to put two-and-two together I realize that Hiraki/nintendo's beef with Jason is totally contrived and a blatant misrep.

Unvote Vote; Nintendo

Hiraki's is ewewewew but Nintendo is the one blowing the issue out of proportion and basically sheeping Hiraki. Maybe I'll make a more detailed explanation for this later, if I'm bored.

--Wraith

You aren't seeing his contradiction. He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch. Check my last post.

there are more, I am sure you can look back

1. Fair enough, but those are not lies, but misreps.

2. Wait... what happened to being done with this?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Can we end today?

I'm ready for blood, I salivate.

Then vote for Nintendo

"but reck is not teh voting nitenod!"

[ShadowGuru]

Because Nintendo is a VI.

Get over it.

VI or no, this lynch is a win-win. Nintendo has a fair chance of flipping scum. If he's not, by some strange perversion of intelligence, we rid ourselves of the worst possible player to keep around.

BTW, Nintendo reminds me intensely of chesskid, maybe Furcolow. Anyone else get the feeling that he may be an alt? Lol

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

Lynch one, shoot the other. High probability of killing at least one scum. Better lynch Nintendo as he can redirect the shot off of him.

Fuck that changes things. Nintendo needs to die today, seriously. Redirector (Two-Shot even) on a VI is way too dangerous with two vigshots flying around.

[ShadowGuru]

Lynch one, shoot the other. High probability of killing at least one scum. Better lynch Nintendo as he can redirect the shot off of him.

Fuck that changes things. Nintendo needs to die today, seriously. Redirector (Two-Shot even) on a VI is way too dangerous with two vigshots flying around.

EBWOP:

*on a scum or VI

[ShadowGuru]

Sorry triple post, kind of skipped over Reck's question:

@Reck:

Nintendo. Jason isn't scummy and has been misrepped repeatedly by Hiraki and Nintendo, and is therefore a townread in my book (for now)

Sathoris isn't scummy to me beyond his meh-ew bandwagoning.

Marco has had some ew posts but is lower on my scumlist than others. In order the suspects are probably:

-Nintendo
–Silent Wraith (who has been lurking somewhat hard through this drama, strangely)
–Hiraki
-Toogeloo
–Ender
–Marco
–Reck
–Rhinox
–SpyRex
–Sathoris
– PeregrineV (no opinion as he is lurking fairly hard)
-Jason
– GhostWriter

[ShadowGuru]

Reck, are you actually going to add anything to the game or just continue with one liners with nothing to back them up?

You haven't noticed that basically all he's been doing is trolling?

[ShadowGuru]

@Jason: I feel I must remind you before the mod does, since you've been escalating.

10.Gratuitous use of caps lock (or the appearance thereof) can and will get you warned, modkilled, or force-replaced. Mod discretion. If you think it's overkill, it probably is.

WALL OF DEAD, PART ONE

But that's it, I am now going to spend an hour talking in little baby words to explain EXACTLY what Jason was saying and Nintendo (and Hiraki to a lesser extent) has misrepped him so thoroughly.

Let's do a little preliminary first, though. Jason is not the only one Nintendo has tried misrepping. Hiraki, too:

Toog is town.

...

Other than that, Toog is mighty fine. His first vote is actually glorious.

But that's the point.

Scum don't take these high risk maneuvers. They fit in with the crowd.

Toog has done too many things that aren't good townie to allow me to see him as town.

Ender, and probably Jason.

First you say Toog is town, then you don't see him as town, now you don't put him in your scumlist?

While this one isn't as blatant as the others, Hiraki's post was an obvious, obvious spelling error. Oh wait, Nintendo tried to keep pushing the issue:

The second is written incorrectly.

What I meant to say is that Toog has done too many things that have been noted to be scummy or radical. He hasn't fit in with the crowd, he's made himself stand out.

Can scum do this? Yes.

Are we lynching plausible scum who can do this on D1? No.

Excuses for a mistake you didn't catch before posting.

AND SO IT BEGINS:

Marco is a newbie though.

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

Interesting defending here I feel.

The post that started it all. In little baby words:

"Just because someone is a new player does not mean you should say 'that person is just a big dumb new person so what he says is not evil.' Evil is evil even if that person is a big dumb new person. If you think someone is evil, you vote them because you think that person is evil. I think it is wierd that you are saying [Marco] is not evil because he is a big dumb new person because most people do not say that."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"we should kill the big dumb new person because he is big dumb new person

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

The chain of misreps begins its terrible, terrible life. Curse you, Hiraki.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

WHAT IS SAID:

"I am not saying we should kill a big dumb new person because he is a big dumb new person and I have not said that should kill a big dumb person in other sayings."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"I am not saying we should kill a big dumb new person because he is a big dumb new person but I am thinking about killing the big dumb new person because he is a big dumb new person tomorrow just because."

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

*facepalm*

I redirect you to the post where I originally rip apart the case, in which I refer to the Loaded Question.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

WHAT IS SAID:

"You are wrong and I do not kill plan to kill big dumb new persons after killing other people. I do not think the big dumb new person [Marco] is evil. I was just saying that you can't say the big dumb new person isn't evil because he is a big dumb new person. You are good at saying I said things I didn't say.

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"LOL I still think the big new person should die because he is a big dumb new person.[/i]

Of course you don't in game, but I'm just saying what's in your head.

*slapping sounds*

how do you know what is in my head?

WHAT IS SAID:

"How can you know things other people, like me since you talk to me, think?"

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"Wow I was thinking that and you knew I was thinking that you are amazing."

inception.

The funny part is, you've never denied that this wasn't in your head.

Your turn shall come.

*slap* *slap*

how do you know what is in my head?

Wait, you're not den- hold on. Lookie what was on the next page!

The funny part is, you've never denied that this wasn't in your head.

FoS jason

*Oh god! oh god the pain its in my head-*

^^ lol nice try.

"LOL you are good at saying things I did not say.

I think it is self evident what my last post meant.. you are both attempting to put words in my mouth.

WHAT IS SAID:

"It is very obvious what I just said ['You are good at saying things I did not say']. [Hiraki and Nintendo] are saying things I did not say."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"Oh man you big meanies caught me being evil."

Still not denying it. I'd vote you, but my vote is already on your partner.

I think it is self evident what my last post meant.. you are both attempting to put words in my mouth.

Still not denying it. I'd vote you, but my vote is already on your partner.

Stop pushing something on something I didn't even say. You are now pushing a case of ' What you were thinking but didn't say in thread' which is complete BS. How do you know what I was or was not thinking.

Lets see...

I say It is not right to give a pass on a Newbie, even though I don't think he did anything scummy. I would not use the newbie card if I did think he was scummy as a way to explain it.

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was thinking it, and didn't deny it.

Its not up to me to deny it, it is now up to you as my accuser to prove I was thinking that.... can you do that? if not, then you have nothing. Your case is weak at best.

WHAT IS SAID:

"Stop saying I said things I didn't say, because I didn't say them. Because you cannot find me saying bad words you are now saying I am 'thinking bad words' and that is dumb. You cannot know what other people, like me, are thinking. I say it is not good to say a big dumb new person is not evil because he is a big dumb new person, but I don't think that big dumb new person is scummy. I would not explain [Marco] being evil by saying he is a big dumb new person, because if I thought a big dumb new person was evil I would vote that person. [Hiraki] says things I didn't say, those bad words that I didn't say being 'I am evil and want to kill the big dumb new person for being a big dumb new person.' So I say I didn't say those words I didn't say, because I didn't say those words, and so [Hiraki] says that I was thinking those bad words but didn't say the bad words because I am evil. It is not up to me to say I was not thinking words I did not think, because I was not thinking those bad words. It is up to [Nintendo] to prove that I was thinking those bad words, but since you can't prove I was thinking those bad words then you should not be saying I was thinking about those bad words. Even at its very best possible being your case is very bad."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"oh no they caught be thinking bad words with there mind pwoer what do i do now becaus i am evil?!!!111"

Pushing on something you didn't say? Exactly! You still haven't denied it being true. Three times now you have dodged this issue while redirecting to me. Never said I knew what you were or were not thinking, how's that for pushing something I didn't say? You're doing the same thing now.

It's not that I think you were setting up a lynch, but your refusal to deny that was what you were doing in the first place that makes you scummy.

Why is it not up to you to deny it? We are questioning YOU about something YOU did, yet, You will not answer unless we have evidence? How about dodging the issue here? Is that not enough evidence for you?

Reading these words is like punching a molten hot rod through my dick. It is brain poison.

What is it exactly I did apart from attacking someones stance of giving a newbie a seemingly free pass for something he would vote a non newbie for?

WHAT IS SAID:

"What did I do other than say I disagree with someone saying a big dumb new person is not evil because he is a big dumb new person. [Hiraki] would vote for [Marco] for what [Marco] did if [Marco] was not a big dumb new person."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"if i can't see it it can't see me i so scared

TO BE CONTINUED...

[ShadowGuru]

WALL OF DEATH, PART TWO

What is it exactly I did apart from attacking someones stance of giving a newbie a seemingly free pass for something he would vote a non newbie for?

Now you're just plain ignoring the post completely.

Screw it.

Unvote, Vote: jason

You need to die first.

"Where did he touch you, Wraith? Where did the dumb man touch you?"

*points at forehead*

"See? Look how traumatized this poor guy is."

Im not ignoring the post I just dont need to deny anything as I never even so much as implied it in the first place. what you are pushing is plain crap.

Its a null issue, close to a void issue and you seem intent on strawmanning it.

Please show any indication that I was thinking that I could be setting up tomorrows lynch. Can you? if not then I don't need to deny anything. Only if you could show indication of me thinking it can I then deny or confirm anything.

WHAT IS SAID:

"I am not not reading the post I just don't need to say I didn't say something I didn't say, because I didn't say it. I didn't even suggest I was thinking or saying those bad words. You case is dumb. It is not an important thing to worry about, but you think it is very important and are saying that I am a bad person because I said things I didn't say. Please show that you can actually read the minds of other people, like me, which proves that I was going to kill the big dumb new person tomorrow for being a big dumb new person. Can you? If you can't then I don't need to say anything more on this issue. Only if you show that I was actually thinking about bad words do I need to say anything else about it."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"lolol im not suspicious lolol can't touch dis

Im not ignoring the post I just dont need to deny anything as I never even so much as implied it in the first place. what you are pushing is plain crap.

Its a null issue, close to a void issue and you seem intent on strawmanning it.

Please show any indication that I was thinking that I could be setting up tomorrows lynch. Can you? if not then I don't need to deny anything. Only if you could show indication of me thinking it can I then deny or confirm anything.

You know what you sound like right now? "I'm not saying if I set him up for a lynch... but I'm not saying if I didn't either."

You are deliberately withholding information that is CONSTANTLY being asked of you, for what? Cause you think it's a crap case. Wow. Of course scum would say that when they are shitting themselves. Any indication you were thinking of setting up lynches?

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was

thinking

it, and didn't deny it.

Out of your own mouth, no less.

So at certain points I will explain what Nintendo is saying is trollspeak:

"lol u say u not saying he should die but u no deny it. Y U NO DENY? lol u not admit to being evil that means u evil"

See, this is a loaded question, once again. Nintendo asks

"Are you evil?"

Jason responds

"No, I'm not evil."

And Nintendo says back

"OF COURSE SCUM WOULD DENY THEY'RE EVIL DUH"

Here's a history lesson. Or an urban legend, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was during. Back when people thought witches existed, and hunted them, they had this test. They would throw a "witch" in the water, and if the woman drowned, dying, she would be found innocent of being a witch. But if she didn't sink and drown (by, I don't know, swimming?), she would be branded a witch for these arcane techniques known as "treading water." Of course, Nintendo goes even farther with his special, trademarked brand of craplogic:

Jason responds

"If I'm so evil then prove it."

Nintendo says

"YOU ADMIT IT HA CAUGHT YOU!"

Excuse me a moment, I'll be grabbing some brain bleach.

You aren't seeing his contradiction. He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch. Check my last post.

*chug chug chug*

Oh wow, now that I've actually taken the effort to put two-and-two together I realize that Hiraki/nintendo's beef with Jason is totally contrived and a blatant misrep.

Unvote Vote; Nintendo

Hiraki's is ewewewew but Nintendo is the one blowing the issue out of proportion and basically sheeping Hiraki. Maybe I'll make a more detailed explanation for this later, if I'm bored.

--Wraith

You aren't seeing his contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

WHAT RUBBISH! SHOW ME WHERE I SAID I WAS SETTING UP THE LYNCH. SHOW ME WORD FOR WORD RIGHT NOW! I never once said that. I was accused of it though Hak accused me off it!

this is how it unfolds.

I am willing to strike a deal right now with the entire town.

Lynch me today. If I flip town, tomorrow, no if ands or buts, you lynch Reck. I don't give a shit if a Cop scans him innocent. He dies.

NO, No chain lynches, no setting up next days lynch on a deal.

Lynch on evedience and scummyness. not chain lynches and deals. I would like to know why Reck is setting up ( or alluding to setup) a chain lynch on myself.. however I don't really think Reck is worth a lynch right now.

Hell, im being accused of something I had earlier said is a no go... no chain lynches. but it moves on Hik says this, and the rest is this bullshit arguement. All because I don't agree with the Newbie card, a stance I have taken in MANY games.

Marco is a newbie though.

So? you can't just give people free passes on the Newbie card, its dangerous. Scummy is scummy regardless of new or seasoned. If you think someone is scummy, you vote them.

Interesting defending here I feel.

We're not lynching a newbie D1.

The reason you're being so opportunistic is disgusting.

There he completly misreps me saying I am being opertunistic and claiming I am looking a newbie lynch..

Im not suggesting we lynch a newbie day 1 and no where have I said that.

You didn't say that, but it's a fact that Macro is a newbie.

He's your lynch for tomorrow, don't lie.

Here Hik even admits I didnt say it, then the I was thinking it crap comes in

False, I do not setup lynches on a day to day basis nor do I chain lynch. I do not even see Marco as scummy right now. I was just pointing out you cant excuse scummy on the newbie card.

Very nice misrep.

Of course you don't in game, but I'm just saying what's in your head.

That is where Nintendo pops in pushing the crap. The rest is all on this page.

Now point out there, where I was setting up a lynch, indicating I was setting up a lynch or show thought of setting up a lynch. Actually, you said I said I was setting up the lynch... NOW SHOW ME EXACTLY WHERE I SAID I WAS SETTING UP A LYNCH...

Nintendo is scum.

unvote
vote: Nintendo

WHAT IS SAID:

"You are a big fat liar. Show me where I said these bad words that I didn't actually say! In fact, the bad thing you are saying I said I want to do [chain lynching] is something I said even earlier in the game that I

did not want to do anyways.

Hiraki lied about me saying bad things and even says that I didn't actually say the bad things he says I said. Then [Nintendo] comes in and lies about be more. Nintendo is evil. I vote for Nintendo to die for being evil.

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"lol im evil"

The big fall through in Jason's big attack is that I thought he was scum before Jason.

Jason isn't even that big of a point. In fact, I was just having a little bit of fun by way of pestering Jason.

Nothing big. But I guess he would try to make a mountain out of a molehill from it. It's the only thing that's been pointed towards him thus far. (pst. you should read into what this is saying)

DIE. DIE FOR MAKING ME SUFFER

(By the way, this is Hiraki saying

"lol was just trollin" *trollface*

)

OH WOW.. what a twist and complete misrep on what I said.

I was not admitting to thinking it, I was saying what your 'case' was that you are pushing on me.

Read it in the context it was meant. and stop misrepping what I said.

WHAT IS SAID:

"Wow what a big fat lie about what I said, liar. Please read things the right way and not be a big dummy."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"lol im evil lol"

Nintendo, why have you ignored our posts proving you are misreppnig..especially the 'I actually said it' claim by you that has been proven wrong and why are you sticking so close to Hiraki? you really are sheeping him to the point I feel you could be trying to buddy him.

WHAT IS SAID:

"Nintendo, why have not read all our posts proving you are a liar on purpose? [me, Jason, Hiraki] have all said that I didn't say those bad words I didn't actually say, so why are you trying to be friends with Hiraki? You are repeating his trollwords so much that you are trying to be his bestest best friend."

WHAT IS NOT SAID:

"I am not going to answer your questions because i am teh evil lol. i gonna kill you cuz i evil" *trollface*

Nintendo, why have you ignored our posts proving you are misreppnig..especially the 'I actually said it' claim by you that has been proven wrong and why are you sticking so close to Hiraki? you really are sheeping him to the point I feel you could be trying to buddy him.

Oh, me? I'm not gonna answer your questions, I'm just gonna dodge around them.

Sound familiar? It's what you were doing. I haven't ignored them. See? I gave you an answer right there and you know what? It wasn't hard. I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

And I'm not that stupid as to go and try to buddy to someone who is always gonna think I'm scum anyway.

*facedesk*

*pound*

*pound, pound*

*pound*

*crash*

TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, PLEASE STAND BY

[ShadowGuru]

WALL OF DEATH, PART THREE

I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

Oh really?

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was

thinking

it, and didn't deny it.

Out of your own mouth, no less.

WHAT IS SAID:

[proves Nintendo is lying through his stupid ugly smirk]

Nintendo, why have you ignored our posts proving you are misreppnig..especially the 'I actually said it' claim by you that has been proven wrong and why are you sticking so close to Hiraki? you really are sheeping him to the point I feel you could be trying to buddy him.

Oh, me? I'm not gonna answer your questions, I'm just gonna dodge around them.

Sound familiar?

No, I had nothing to answer what-so ever as has been pointed out to you by quite a few people as I had never said or said I thought) in the first place.. I didn't dodge anything because I had no case to answer, and frankly what you were pushing was so funny it was absurd. . You however do have a lot to answer for!

I had nothing to answer therefor didn't have to answer anything

you however have been proven to be constantly misrepping me and twisting that I am misrepping you. You have a lot to answer for.

WHAT IS SAID:

"I am going to not answer those questions I've already answer two times because I've already answered them two times. Other people have also answered your fat dumb questions."

I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

Oh really?

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

It gets majorly twisted to I was setting up a lynch tomorrow.

I say no... the case is now I was

thinking

it, and didn't deny it.

Out of your own mouth, no less.

Never said you set up the lynch. I said you were THINKING about it. And I've said this, what, three times now? Yet, you are still trying to say I said you WERE setting up the lynch, when all along I have been saying you were THINKING about it.

So this is about the point where I start hating all life that has ever existed, and also where Nintendo's posts begin wasting the infinite storage space of the internet. In fact, he contradicts himself THREE TIMES in this very post. Jason pointed out in the quoted Jason post in this quoted Nintendo post but the hammer needs to keep banging.

contradiction. He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch. Check my last post.

I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

Never said you set up the lynch. I said you were THINKING about it. And I've said this, what, three times now? Yet, you are still trying to say I said you WERE setting up the lynch, when all along I have been saying you were THINKING about it

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

What's that Voice-In-My-Head-That-Tells-Me-To-Burn-Things? There's 10 MORE pages of this offense to animal intelligence?

...

...

...

...

...

*grabs lighter*

Excuse me.

[ShadowGuru]

contradiction. He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch. Check my last post.

I never said you said "I set up the lynch". Who's misrepping now?

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

Never said you set up the lynch. I said you were THINKING about it. And I've said this, what, three times now? Yet, you are still trying to say I said you WERE setting up the lynch, when all along I have been saying you were THINKING about it

contradiction.

He said he was thinking of setting up the lynch, then later, asks me to find somewhere he said he was thinking of setting up the lynch.

Check my last post.

You know what? The whole "The case was now I was thinking it and didn't deny it" bit? I really read that as him saying "I was thinking it."

AT LAST

He admits the mistake. And yet, I am still pessimistic. Are you going to finally drop the BS against Jason?

*whisper* probably not *whisper*

@SpyRex: I wanted to add

If you tl;dr then don't complain about Jason et al not refuting the case and take my word for it that the case against Jason is BS

but I wanted to do that at the

end

of the Wall of Death. Because if this shit keeps coming then my oh-so-poisoned brain will have a renewed determination to meticulously analyze and explain

every single one

of Jason's posts (and Nintendo et al's rebuttals) for the further 10 pages and on.

[ShadowGuru]

I dont doubt that.

However, we have to put a stop to quote madness somewhere.

Here is somewhere.

SAY NO TO QUOTES

Sorry if it seemed like overkill, man. I was just tired of his disingenuous assertions.

[ShadowGuru]

I think he is saying that Nintendo needs to die regardless since as either scum or VI, he is a bane to town's existence. As scum, we get rid of one of them, as VI we alleviate our stress of his presence. Scum get a mislynch if he is town VI.

Based on the comment, I think Sathoris believes Nintendo to be town, but is willing to get rid of him simply because of the VI status.

You think I'm VI now? You obviously don't know about the time I outed the Doc...

[ShadowGuru]

I think he is saying that Nintendo needs to die regardless since as either scum or VI, he is a bane to town's existence. As scum, we get rid of one of them, as VI we alleviate our stress of his presence. Scum get a mislynch if he is town VI.

Based on the comment, I think Sathoris believes Nintendo to be town, but is willing to get rid of him simply because of the VI status.

You think I'm VI now? You obviously don't know about the time I outed the Doc...

*facepalm* At least its a sliding scale of bad.

Fact is, if this is a policy lynch, town gets the following:
1) The elimination of a player who is acting scummy and not pulling their weight scumhunting wise.
2) PoE: at least one person is not scum that's known.
3) The elimination of a player that would be dragged to lylo because they're acting scummy.

Scum get:
1) A mislynch.

This man speaks sense. Probably SW's only post I don't think is ewewew

[ShadowGuru]

@Rhinox: Do not refer to SW as "Wraith" please. It is a little confusing.

--Wraith

[ShadowGuru]

All the calls for a Jason lynch/vig are stupid and unfounded. If you guys have a

real

case (aside from, you know, misreps), then post it, and if it's good, I'll join you in the crazy crazy mob. But until then, put your votes where they count, not somewhere stupid and useless.

*cough* ENDER *cough*

[ShadowGuru]

TBH Ender's vote on Jason comes off to me as scum putting their vote in a "safe" place, because putting Nintendo at L-1 would look really scummy as an act of self-preservation. Yet I cannot understand why on earth Ender is voting Jason when he

should

by all means be trying to save himself.

[ShadowGuru]

Actually...

Thinking about Ender a little harder actually

lowers

my suspicion of him. If I was scum in his position, I would be doing my damndest to get Nintendo lynched, since being neck-and-neck with him as a leading wagon for the day would make that my only chance for survival. So why

isn't

he?

[ShadowGuru]

In b4 scene:

NO SHIT GAIZ ENDER WAS TOWN

Didn't see that coming.

Don't make me add tags.

Also good timing cuz WraithHead is

V/LA

starting tomorrow and I haven't seen RiverHead back in yet.