Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[hiplop]

I can see the reaction fishing ways of it. Yeah

[Pine]

I think the harder people try to discredit Mastin's reads and dismiss or condemn him, the more valid and relevant he and they become.

[edmund.angles]

For the record, if you call me town, you too can earn a free pass into my town reads. It's that simple. Do it.

@zMuffin: Seriously?

[mastin2]

For the record, if you call me town, you too can earn a free pass into my town reads. It's that simple. Do it.

@zMuffin: Seriously?

Seriously? You see this guy as town?

[mastin2]

Also, don't think I announced it here:

V/LA from Friday until Monday

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[Hiraki]

Vote: Hiplop

Grey, I still have no meta so you're wrong.

Btw. he's scum.

Did you like read my signature? Why would I give a shit about your meta?

My gut just says scum.

GUT=/=SCUMHUNTING

Hiplop is still scum though.

[hiplop]

why is that hiraki?

[Hiraki]

dunno.

maybe you should look.

[hiplop]

i want to know why

you

think i am scum

[mastin2]

Hiraki, this has to be AT LEAST the third game in a row I've seen you hunt after a person with a 2011 join date.

I think you're town, of course.

But honestly. Is "new player" synonymous with "scumclaim" for you?

[Maxous]

unless I've misread, haven't they also been trying to draw connections between themselves and mastin as well (at least on muffinman's part)?

The only one I remember is Tomie stating that Mastin and Muffinman are unlikely to be scum partners.

I agree with Mastin about Tomie

Agree with what? He has'nt given an explanation.

I am pretty sure hiplop is town, based on other games I have played/read with him.

What is Hiplop doing here that he is more likely to do as town?(or less likely to do as scum?)

I can see the reaction fishing ways of it. Yeah

Okay..so do you think he is scum or not?

dunno.
maybe you should look.

Do you have

any

reason?

Is it just me or does it seem like Mastin is simply throwing mud at the suspects in his list rather than trying to determine thier alingment?
As in he said twice 'does this look like a town comment to anyone' instead of explaining why they are scum for the comments. He is switching the burden of proof to explaining why they are'nt scum when he should be explaining why they are scum.

[mastin2]

Maxous, did you learn nothing about me last game?

[pappums rat]

I am pretty sure hiplop is town, based on other games I have played/read with him.

What is Hiplop doing here that he is more likely to do as town?(or less likely to do as scum?)

When hiplop is scum, he tends to put up larger posts with a lot of quotes in them to make it seem like he has more to say than he actually does. In the games that he is town, he is more likely to give one-liners and not really back up his arguments well (like he is doing now).

[GreyICE]

And here... GreyIce is quite obviously pointing out that meta is shit, and shouldn't be used. Because people who don't really pay attention to meta wont notice things anyway, and likely aren't even worrying about playing the same way every time. However, people who ARE thinking about meta would also be able to change up how they place to match a town meta every time anyway. Thus, following meta leads to mislynching town more often than it leads to lynching scum. Which is a fair point to make. Thus, meta is pointless to follow.

Plus, some people's meta changes based on role. You wouldn't expect someone with a VT role this game to play exactly the same if they have a cop role in the next one. Thus, while they're both town roles, they're different roles entirely. So if you've played with someone for 4 games with them as a VT, and suddenly they're playing differently, you lynch them based on meta, only to find you've just offed the town cop.

Also, it's the worst form of confirmation bias. People read a player, and think 'he's probably scum, lemme check meta.' Then they go read a random town game and a random scum game, and decide that he's doing X and Y, which he did in the scum game, and isn't doing Z which he did in the town game.

Basically, I'm just going to lynch anyone who tries to use meta as their entire argument, or who argues they're town because of meta.

[Pine]

I agree with Mastin about Tomie

Agree with what? He has'nt given an explanation.

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Is it just me or does it seem like Mastin is simply throwing mud at the suspects in his list rather than trying to determine thier alingment?
As in he said twice 'does this look like a town comment to anyone' instead of explaining why they are scum for the comments. He is switching the burden of proof to explaining why they are'nt scum when he should be explaining wh they are scum.

Maxous, I have to echo Mastin's comment regarding NY131. Were you paying attention during it? This is how Mastin operates early game when he's in the uninformed majority. He throws around a lot of shit based on partial reads and hunches, and he sees what sticks. Shit stuck to Tomie. Hard. Same with Edmund, though to a lesser degree (I'm not sold on Ed yet).

It's far from foolproof, but it shakes the bushes and gives us reactions and connections to work with.

It's also a MastinTown hallmark.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Pine

As I promised.

[Pine]

Wait, what?

[Pine]

WHOA. I just ISO'd GreyICE, to see if there was a question or challenge I missed, and GI has almost NOTHING but fluff. Check it yourself. GI rises to #2 after Tomie, especially as I think that vote above is a joke, and we're well past RVS.

This is not the nose-to-the-grindstone hardworking Town-GI that nailed my ass in 1156, nor the frantic GI we hard to work hard to deceive in TWBB. More I think on this the bigger the scumread.

[mastin2]

GreyICE's 'logic': People using meta are scum. (Or if not scum, policy lynches.) You used meta to clear me. (Faulty, by the way, since I picked up the tactic from Nacho when we were scum in Outdoorsmen Mafia 2. ) Therefore, you're scum. (Or if not scum, at least voteworthy.)

This is a fair assessment, no?

[zMuffinMan]

in before GI says "look at my signature"

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@zMuffin: Seriously?

Yep.

Do it.


@Maxous,

Do you have any thoughts on the game or just questions for people? Are you doing anything with the answers?

[Toon Fighter]

@Tomie: Why am I scummy?

[Maxous]

Maxous, did you learn nothing about me last game?

What exactly are you trying to imply with this comment?

Shit stuck to Tomie

'shit' like what?
Give me an example.

1)

Do you have any thoughts on the game or just questions for people?

2)

Are you doing anything with the answers?

1)Just questions
2)Yep

@Toon Fighter: Can I get on your thoughts on wheter you think Tomie and Hiplop might be mafia? And Edmund as well actually.

[Pine]

Shit stuck to Tomie = Tomie's reactions are far too defensive, awkward, and inconsistent. It's hard to point out a specific example when you're basing a judgment on a

pattern.

Also, utilizing meta assessments is PART of effective scumhunting, so GI's signature is myopic bullshit.

[hiplop]

I am pretty sure hiplop is town, based on other games I have played/read with him.

What is Hiplop doing here that he is more likely to do as town?(or less likely to do as scum?)

When hiplop is scum, he tends to put up larger posts with a lot of quotes in them to make it seem like he has more to say than he actually does. In the games that he is town, he is more likely to give one-liners and not really back up his arguments well (like he is doing now).

lmao what? I've never done that as scum. I type more the angrier/more interested i am, scum or town.

Are you sure you're not just making shit up?

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, this has to be AT LEAST the third game in a row I've seen you hunt after a person with a 2011 join date.

I think you're town, of course.

But honestly. Is "new player" synonymous with "scumclaim" for you?

I don't go after new players, I go after scummy players.

While yes, it is an odd trend, it is not a trend that I go for as scum or town.

Do you not see what's scummy with hiplop?