Flash mafia 3 (town wins)

[Ythill]

I'm the day rolecop. Regfan is a Miller.

[Ythill]

@Llamar:

Not so sure about Tajo, but you're right about Elli.

The scumteam is Elli + GW + Fate. Too easy.

VOTE: Ellibereth

[Ythill]

Hi Prozac.

I told you the scumteam. Vote plox.

[Ythill]

UNVOTE: Ellibereth
VOTE: Fate

[Ythill]

Exactly.

L-2 before he posts. Gogogo.

[Ythill]

I can't tell if Regfan is being obstinate due to a rebellious nature or if he's being scummy, but something is not right with that dude. If he's scum, it's Elli I'm wrong about, which is based on mountains of conjecture so... meh.

Llamar is town + smart. Prozac is town + funny. Although I thought a mass clam was when you see up a Catholic girl's skirt in church. And, either way, the joke would have been better with a vote for Fate.

@Llamar:

Humor me here? Fate wagon > Elli wagon.

@DGB ninja:

Didn't I tell you I've been scum too much lately? Don't worry, my hubris will be back eventually.

[Ythill]

That's how I roll. I manipulate.

Vaguely.

[Ythill]

I'm going to remind you

again

, that you always think I'm scummy before the middle of D1.

Patience, dear.

@Reg:

The fact that you are excusing our suspicions without knowing what they are.

[Ythill]

@Elli:

Calling Llamar wrong doesn't make it so. Your first post was uncharacteristically chatty and awkward. Why?

@far:

What percentage of your read on me is meta?

[Ythill]

UNVOTE: Fate
VOTE: Regfan

[Ythill]

Why the throw-away vote?

[Ythill]

@GW:

What is it you don't like about them? Seeking information without cooperation seems like a waste of resources. Are your reads on Fate and Reg that firm? If not, why is it important to pigeonhole Para first?

[Ythill]

Nice momentum shift.

Non-voters and non-serious voters should jump into the fray ASAP. I want to see where the chips fall.

Pressure's on, scumbags.

[Ythill]

Hello latecomers.

Regfan is scum. You should both vote for him.

Thanks.

[Ythill]

Most obvious reason:

Not seeing the case on Eli at all

, browsed through a few of her games and she voted no one in a previous town game of hers thus voting no one if anything is a minor town-tell for her.

Ythill,

I believe the suspicions were relatively easy to work out

though if there's more to them feel free to elaborate on them for me.

Also, he's more concerned with defending than finding scum. And when I gave him the "scum or rebel" false dilemma, he made a post that jokingly claimed rebel, as if to diffuse the situation. To wit:

Ythill, I often get detention at the pre-school I attend though what in particular about my nature do you find to be rebelious or scummy.

[Ythill]

But you don't need reasons. He said you suck.

He cannot hang himself (as you suggested) unless we put him @ L-1.

[Ythill]

good playerlist minus crypto because he sucks

HANG YOURSELF.

[Ythill]

I bet you say that to all the townies.

[Ythill]

English please?

[Ythill]

If you were being sincere, you'd vote Regfan to impress me.

[Ythill]

I think you just made me a little gayer.

Fate? Gangbang?

[Ythill]

To clarify my stance, Fate's absence went on long enough that it became null. Jury is back out on him. My other reads have softened a wee bit as well, Reg jumped to the top of the list, and farside is starting to make me a little paranoid too.

Fuckin' early game. I want infos.

[Ythill]

And... Crypto is town. Good catch.

[Ythill]

I meant you defending other players, not yourself.

[Ythill]

Yes, I have a massive tendancy to attempt to prevent lynches and wagons go through on players that I have a town-read on (to the point that I support such arguments with meta links and excessive effort instead of applying that same effort towards finding scum).

FTFY

Also, you didn't prevent any lynches. You worked to prevent wagons, which are better for far more than lynching and, at that stage in the game, weren't for lynching at all.

The Regfan hate is bad.

I thought you loved me.

[Ythill]

Been a little detached lately. Coming around to a mild town read on Elli. Will reread in the next 24ish hours.

With 14 players, it's 6 to lynch

Mod: is the above accurate? Majority should be 8 unless there's something happening that I'm not aware of.

Heh. Ninja'd by the scumbag.

[Ythill]

^ Gets it.

[Ythill]

@Fate:

You both lost

me

that game so shuddap.

I am town because as scum I'd know the thread was open and started?

Only if there is daytalk or you cheat and I don't think you cheat. But that's beside the point, which is Reg-scum getting a longer neck.

How many times have I seen you suspect people for calling you town too early. Are you that easy to read?

[Ythill]

I am not dead yet here.

There is still time.

[Ythill]

Lips this fine will never touch

wine

humble juice, but I'll ride with you for awhile because...

(1) Ghost is scum too
(2) we need a momentum shift
(3) wheeeeeee!!!!

UNVOTE: Reg
VOTE: GhostWriter

[Ythill]

You should probably read eventually, yes.

No worries about dying, I'm still better than drawing the NK than you. Which sux, considering.

[Ythill]

(Also, wouldn't mind a farside wagon at some point.)

[Ythill]

Per the rules, that is a farside vote. Just sayin.

[Ythill]

You know who you're talking to, right?

Dude, you don't have to go to all that trouble. Look at his first post:

Righto, posting here to get this on my list so I can keep up with it.

[Ythill]

Goddamnit stop ninja'ing me so much.

[Ythill]

wutwhy

Oh, no reason actually. When this thread was a baby, there was an "unvoting is required" rule. Now it appears to be gone.

Or maybe it was all just a dream.

[Ythill]

Okay, yeah.

It's not paranoia. Farside is scum.

[Ythill]

No, that's not it.

And don't make me remind you that I suspected both GW and farside before you did.

[Ythill]

Ohey, look who doesn't like his buddy calling him a n00b. Nothin like some scum infighting to make our job easier.

@Fate:

Hey now, you're the one trying to look superior when we're supposed to be working together. Also, "en guard" is a fencing term. You've seen Rob Roy, right?

[Ythill]

Pure fallacy.

You are scum because that's the PM you got, as evidenced by your behavior in this thread, not because of anything Fate said. Him being wrong about you before does not make him wrong about you here. The fact that you would attempt this line of reasoning is another point against you.

[Ythill]

Also, thanks for clarifying that Fate is town.

[Ythill]

Still liking my vote for now.

1) Get that wagon rolling.
2) I'll keep this one viable.
3) ???
4) Profit.

[Ythill]

Meh. I'll get into it if/when I vote you.

Either way, DGB is for vigging this game.

Disagree.

[Ythill]

Mod: Can we get a VC? Please and thank you.

[Ythill]

Still haven't reread because I'm slacking.

I've got a hammer right here if we get another farside vote.

[Ythill]

Prozac, could I bother you for a suspect list?

[Ythill]

@Ythill: You going to hammer without a claim there?

Nope. Hint hint.

It has occurred to me that a Fate-DGB team is a possibility. She's off meta and he has no problem blaming it on her role, rather than defending her with DO NOT QUESTION MY AWESOMENESS. Setting up the TOLD YOU SO after her PR claim later. I'm not entirely convinced of this but it's something we should keep in mind.

Also, if GW and farside are scum together, then why no rally elsewhere from the third buddy? Srs question.

[Ythill]

I really don't want to claim. I'm at L-2

My mistake. Carry on then.

[Ythill]

*checks pulse*

Nope.

[Ythill]

Probably even moreso if the two of you are scum with GW. But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I'm rereading and taking notes. By page 4 farside is dynamic but very null. She's posting before coffee and not proofreading at all, which seems objectively townie, but there are problems too. Let's not kill her until I'm done, K?

[Ythill]

Fuck I forgot that I don't give reasoning for towntells.

*facepalm*

[Ythill]

At the top of page 9. No way we are lynching farside before GW.

[Ythill]

Done.

GW is the scummiest scum that ever scummed. Plus his cardflip is full of information and his wagon was a brief non-topic on the layover between Reg and far. We can play around and wagon other people if we want, but we are not lynching anyone except GW today. [/discussion]

Fate and agoti are tied for second scummiest. The former mainly because he has been chep-shotting farside into the ground in the face of actual evidence in the thread. The latter because her sexy ass and bad farside vs. GW drama are the only things of note. UT is in fourth, because his one contribution was buddying to me.

DGB, Llamar, Prozac, farside, and Reg are null but some are not far behind UT. Reg gets an extra mention here because he was scummy as fuck during the first 3-5 pages but has improved considerably and, if the trend continues, he will be town by tomorrow night. Elli, Tajo, and crypto are unequivocally town (which also means Llamar is scum or dumb).

I now have some things to speak to farside about...

[Ythill]

@farside:

You are very dynamic this game. Though the numbers have you at null, you have more overall tells listed than any other player. I'd like you to address a few of my concerns. I shouldn't have to remind you that you are @ L-2 with a rabid wagon breathing down your neck, so you probably want to play it straight with me.

1) You have the third highest post count in this game behind (no surprise) myself and Fate. I've seen you as town before and you only post a lot in the late game when the pressure is on. Why are you playing differently here?

2) I asked you about meta and your read on me for a reason. Your answer made me suspicious. The last time we played together, you had a gut-driven town read on me that was unshakable and yet I was scum in that game. Why all the trust? Didn't learn your lesson? Or know I'm town because you are not?

3) In #274 you asked me if I was going to hammer without a claim, which seems to indicate that you think a claim will save you. In #305 you seem to indicate that your role has worth. However, #304 is the type of AtE that I'd expect from someone that expects to die immediately after claiming. This contradiction is the most bothersome thing about your play so far. Please explain it.

[Ythill]

@far:

What percentage of your read on me is meta?

none
Going purely on instinct and overall feel from what I read so far.

(2) well this one is I think I might know your scum tell. Don't ask me what it is. I figured out a difference between the Old Folks game and American Gods

I'm tempted to hammer solely for this, regardless of the fact that other people are higher on the list than you. I

hate

being lied to.

However, I'm going to stand by what I said earlier.

@Fate:

Seems to me that D1 behavioral reads always find you scummy whether you are scum or not. Hence me not pushing you much even though you're tied for #2. You play dirty and I've learned to wait for better evidence before jumping to conclusions. In spite of that, you should note this...

GW scumflip is a very good argument for town-Fate. He's scummier than farside, more useless than farside if both are town, and the info from his flip will be easier to use. We really should lynch him first.

[Ythill]

@Mod: farside has 7 votes, not 6.

[Ythill]

Sheeping bad logic isn't going to save you, scumbag.

As for Fate your wrong he's scum.

FTR, this reads like you know that GW is scum. I can clearly demonstrate why GW-scum would heavily suggest Fate-town and it is more reasonable a conclusion than your OMGUS-fueled opinion. No offense.

Sorry about the accusation of lying if you are being earnest with your explanation. Did you click the link in my question #2?

why did you think your role will get you lynched regardless?

Not answering for farside here but I feel that her reasoning is obvious. Problem is, it would be similar reasoning from either alignment. Benefit is, it would only come from an actual RB, so we should be able to rely on her role power. I don't think we should direct her yet, because it will only advantage the scum. However, I would like to request that farside not RB me tonight.

[Ythill]

I already pointed out the post.

Calling me scum won't make it so. How many games does this happen? You call me scum, I end up town? But it's whatev's.

And then he tried to cover it up after I busted him.

Fate is always town until proven scum. It's the only way I know how to read him.

In spite of the fact that you have been scum in the vast majority of games with him.

Of course this means nothing without a GW-scumflip but at least you know I'm not fucking with you.

And, BTW, I did notice how making me say this now diminishes the lead I just captured in the getting-NKed race. Fun WIFOM game. Hopefully for the town, I lose.

[Ythill]

Especially if I protect you tonight.

[Ythill]

Ghostwriter (3): Regfan, a girl on the internet, Ythill

Vote: Ghost

Unvote
Vote: Ghost

And yep GW is already scum too

scum: ghost

I want to hammer him.

His he at L-1 yet?

Doesn't look like we need crypto, although GW is high on his suspect list as well.

Majority +1 means that more than half of the accusers must be town. Let's do this.

[Ythill]

You know, although it's a relatively small sample, experience demonstrates that 96.73% of people who include the word "town" in their roleclaim are lying scumbags. In farside's defense, the remaining 3.27% are RBs and rolecops. Anyway...

I fully intend to cop/track her tonight. Good idea, no?

[Ythill]

1) Think real hard.

2) Well, that was the only answer town would give but then you added extraneous excuses. We need to lynch GW before I second guess myself into sub-optimal play.

[Ythill]

Also, good morning.

[Ythill]

1) He's scum. (50%)
2) He's Fate and it's D1. (50%)

[Ythill]

It;s too late, you're already off meta, hon.

I have a few thoughts on whom I would RB tonight.

Would or will?

See what I mean about second guessing myself?

[Ythill]

Awesome. We should all do that. And then fakepopcornclaim that we all tracked her to the NK.

[Ythill]

DGB busses GW in 3... 2... 1...

[Ythill]

I was being sincere when I said good morning.

[Ythill]

No.

I meant would or will RB.

As in, town says, "I have a few thoughts on who I

will

RB tonight," and scum says, "I have a few thoughts on who I

would

RB tonight (if I was town)."

Y'know. Before coffee.

[Ythill]

Farside, it's not my fault you got up early.

No stress. You are now at L-gobacktosleep.

(No, DGB, we are lynching him because he is scum and has been obv since his first awkward entrance post. Do I really have to post a case with L+1 people suspecting him?)

[Ythill]

Not really. I mean, I have some here but haven't posted them.

Just vote him for tedious posting and/or because his lynch is now basically inevitable.

Or you could look at post numbers...

...hold on...

[Ythill]

12, 65, 67, 73, 81, 109, 138, 191, 199, 203, 207, and 212

[Ythill]

You didn't make the same assumption here:

I'll save this debate for another day

[Ythill]

Also you will still RB even if you die.

[Ythill]

Just now realizing exactly how much I've missed being town.

[Ythill]

No, we cannot get more votes on anyone but GW. Quit fuckin around, it's time to lynch.

Add #380 to the list of terribad GW posts.

Also, most of us should know that farside always focuses on meta in the early game. It's her meta. Heh.

[Ythill]

If this is your bitch side then what was it when you fuck-you'd my good-morning?

[Ythill]

OMG he finally made a protown post.

[Ythill]

I LOLed.

[Ythill]

One week into a game with 3 week deadlines, look I dont want to stall here but at the same time, we do have time not to tunnel on one person then another and so on.

Says the guy who's been doing little more than joking around all week.

We've had a few decent wagons for info. We've taken it too far and gotten a claim from someone we were never going to lynch. We have a candidate who is suspected by at least 9/14 players, and who's cardflip will provide more info on several players, both because of what he said to Fate and because his initial wagon was a non-topic between two loudly trumpeted alternatives.

So, I cannot deny that I am today's lynch... And if I weren't me, I'd probably be voting me.

Even

he

agrees. Stalling now will fill the thread with noise. Lynching someone else will devalue D2. There is no other play.

Lynch.

GW.

Now.

[Ythill]

FFS.

[Ythill]

Wanting to lynch me probably isn't going to be enough.

Even if you managed, you'd have to deal with the fallout of me being town, which would only increase the odds of a GW lynch tomorrow.

What part of "inevitable" is hard to understand?

[Ythill]

Nothing I love more than standing in the winner's circle and watching the brutal struggle for second place.

Just do me a favor if you're town. Don't let the scum win the game of chicken over farside. RB in the endgame is gold regardless of alignment.

[Ythill]

Must... not... second... guess... self.

[Ythill]

Scummy. Plus the bonus of being a possible Fate buddy. Your point?

[Ythill]

I mean agoti, not GW, you goddamned ninja.

[Ythill]

Some truth in that.

WIFOM truth but, yeah.

[Ythill]

Second guessing aside, I am still perfectly okay with a hammer.

[Ythill]

This claim talk is ridiculous.

GW is the scummiest person here and his flip gives us the most information. This is not rocket science.

[Ythill]

Don't be like Scott Murphy.

[Ythill]

Did you look at the post numbers I cited?

[Ythill]

this site meta LYNCHS VANILLA CLAIMS.

With good reason. We've been sloppy and we already have twice as many claims as we should on D1. Now you want to wagon DGB? The queen of claim shenanigans?

You have presented a single-point argument that GW is town. I could go back and extrapolate on those post numbers I cited and present multiple compelling points for him being scum. He's a high percentage candidate even if we include your one-post casus belli. Right there, the logical result should be a GW hammer. But I'll take it one step further.

GW should be lynched

even if he is town

.

Let's assume you're right. GW is not going to be NKed

ever

. He is suspected by enough townies that the topic of his lynch will continue to dominate the conversation on future days. If we let him live today and then rack up a couple of mislynches, he will present a likely loss in LYLO and again in the endgame. Sure, it's

possible

that we have a cop who will investigate him but, barring that, he'll be a huge liability from here on out. Additionally, a tertiary claim will help the mafia optimize their NK choices even more without guaranteeing a scum lynch. Meanwhile, even a GW mislynch will provide us crucial information about other players, close a polarizing topic, and free up our hypothetical cop to condemn-or-clear someone more useful/dangerous.

Tl;dr...

[Ythill]

Assuming also that I am alive, I would be looking at those people who initially were happy to overlook your mini-wagon and jump to farside but later followed me back onto you without resistance. And Fate would probably zoom to the top of my scumlist.

Not that I think you're going to flip town.

You made that one post where you seemed townie on the heels of a billion scumtells and, after I pointed it out as such, you've done nothing but try to repeat it. Altering one's behavior in response to pressure is, itself, a reliable scumtell.

[Ythill]

A scum who always uses his fakeclaim didn't get one this time and claimed VT. Go figure.

[Ythill]

Thank you.

Scumflip clears Fate and, to a lesser extent, a lot of other people: myself, Farside, tajo, Reg. Likley buddies are DGB and a lurker.

Probably, if he flips town, I'll be around tomorrow. If not, lynch the hell out of Fate and pick through the wagons for people who hopped past GW and then backstepped onto him without much hesitation.

Amrun, if you're town, catch up tonight and be ready.

I think that covers it.

Good night.

[Ythill]

Mod: please replace me. Sorry about the inconvenience.