marco1610 wrote:Jil hasn't been replaced yet, right?
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marco1610 wrote:I'm pretty much waiting for Vifam to make his case. My vote on him was actually kind of an OMGUS vote. He was unnecessarily asking me why I hadn't voted yet so I voted him. During that conversation, he was misreping me which actually made me confident in the vote. One of his posts that really stood out to me was where he posted his reads. Kind of seemed forced.
I'm still suspicious of him but less so because the wagon on him sort of just built up.
Thanks. I do recall you stating you originally voted him for shallows reasons and gradually grew into feeling stronger about your vote. I was simply curious why you've turned around to feel less confident about your place on the wagon, and I feel you've explained yourself well. I think we're all waiting for Vifam's response.. just a bit
ThAdmiral wrote:@ killerjester: from your language it seems like you think there is no chance that vifam is scum. Is this correct?
No, sorry if it came off that way. I was actually quite conflicted about Vifam's alignment back around my #177 post. It was enough uncertainty, in my opinion, to withdraw my vote.
easjo682 wrote:how am I meant to explain why I'm not voting for someone other than to say I don't feel anyone is sticking out as scum. This is because all of the posting thus far has come off to me like townies bickering and typical early game sheeping. The start of most games comes off like that to me. When I feel it is time I will lay down a vote, but I will not be pressured into it.
I'm of the belief that I should only lay down a vote when I feel someone is deserving of it. Because it shows that you genuinly believe a person to be dodgy as fuck, when you always have a vote on someone especially if you shift it round alot it comes off wishy washy (and potentially sheepish or WIFOM)
Apologies ahead of time for cropping your post, I trimmed it down to two parts - one was directed at me and the other I have a question about.
Don't feel pressured into voting for aparticularperson. However, I do want to see a vote come from you onto whomever you genuinely believe to be scummy or at least worth following-up on. I find it very hard to believe you don't find anyone in this game slightly more scummy than the next guy, are you even trying to scumhunt?
And on your opinion of vote hopping, well... I've been vote hopping. To a count, I've voted for6 different people already. Do you find those traits you associate with vote hopping (being wishy washy, sheeping, or WIFOM) apply to me? I'll be honest with you, I don't like the way you're playing. You're not helping the town very much and it seems more to be self-sufficient behavior, out only to see that you survive. The only reason my vote isn't on you right now is the following...
Leonshade wrote:I don't think Vifam joining the Jil wagon early on is anything special, it was a viable wagon at a time when not much else was going on. As for Jil, me staying on that bandwagon was more because I felt that there were already a lot of people pressuring Vifam so I figured I could do more by pressuring and questioning another player. But since it looks like it might take a while to replace Jilynne, I don't see much reason to stay on that bandwagon.
We cannot bandwagon more than one target at a time. That's simply not how the game works. Yes, other scumdoexist, but your vote is your entire statement to the town. Either you feel Vifam is the most scummy and your vote belongs there, or you have doubts and you keep your vote on Jil and you tell us why you have doubts on the bandwagon. My question about Vifam joining the Jil wagon was more-so asking to detail, since you think both are pretty scummy, why Vifam would have voted for Jil? If you saw nothing out of the ordinary then why are you so convinced that Vifam is scum? Switching your vote to Vifam at this point seems only to appease the town, because I pointed out what was off about you. All your reasoning seems to be just repeating what everyone else has said. You're looking scummier and scummier to me, and I'mvery confidentmy vote is placed where it ought to be.
I think I've found *the* one. Anyone else down for lynching Leon? Or should I *gasp* propose, first?Lord of Lynch protect us. For the Night is dark and full of scum.
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After re-reading the game, I have to admit that despite the RVS thing, MoI does look town to me, he is asking good questions and I can see him scumhunting. I also have townreads on Pinky and the Brain, vezok, Zelink, and killerjester. On the other hand, I have scumreads on Zinger, PeregrineV, and Leonshade. Zinger is not putting forth any sort of content whatsoever, despite doing some pretty decent scumhunting in Super Hero Mafia. PeregrineV and Leonshade both look like they are active lurking, not putting much content out, and not really committing to any reads.-
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Zinger2099 wrote:jasonT1981 wrote:marco1610 wrote:Jil hasn't been replaced yet, right?
MOD: no, I have been having problems with finding replacements in games lately.
*gasp* JT! YOU'RE ALLIVE?!
*snicker*
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@Pappums- You caught me, this is only my third day in a row posting (oops, it's Saturday now so I guess I skipped Friday ).
My vote is on chkballin for fake promising reads, but not liking the posts of DavidX. I think MoI is town, but probably because I like the posting style.
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Our apologies for takingway too longon this. Had to confer with one another and schedule a time to get together as Ballin was behind and CHK didn't want to play this game by himself.
chkballin's DX case
- He jokes, jokes, jokes, jokes... and FINALLY gets his serious face on when town starts to turn their eyes in his general direction. Are jokes scummy? Not in and of themselves, no, but when you're not scum hunting? It's fluff at best. An attempt to say "Hey guys, I'm here. Like me!" without giving anything credible or worthwhile information to the game as a whole.
- Never in my days have I seen an RVS vote hop onto ANOTHER RVS vote. Something just doesn't feel right with me here. I don't see any town motivation for it.
- Interacts with Magna semi-defensively. We all understand that questions end in question marks; what's the point in saying that? Obviously the point Magna made was worth responding to, otherwise MoI wouldn't have wanted David to respond. All that just to say that he holds his ground with the mass name claiming debacle? It just feels like he's making an excuse for not responding to Magna by way of continuing the nonsense joking with 3isFrench.
- this post has already been addressed for how scummy it is. "I mean, I want to give my scum partner some time to post an accurate defense. Y'know, so it's notcompletely obviousthat I'm bussing you." That's exactly how that posts reads to me. Scum not wanting to look like obvscum, afraid his vote on Vifam won't be taken as genuine. "Waiting for a defense" is his exact wording... then why does he contradict himself here by saying that Vifam's defense is shotty? He tries to justify himself and I find it to be completely full of garbage. Tries it again before going V/LA. Why is he so concerned with this? Why not just say "I've answered this" and be done with it? Doesn't read as town motivated to me.
- WAY TOO DEFENSIVE about a single vote. What's he worried about?
- asks for something that's basically already been given. This tells me that he's not paying attention to the thread as much as he should. He CERTAINLY watches out for his own name, but head-claiming? That seems less important until he feels the need to fluff his ISO with something he may think is pro-town.
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Meransiel - Obv hasn't posted much for any sort of read...
vezokpiraka - Town
MagnaofIllusion - Genuine scumhunting, seems to follow through with most lines of questioning; town
PeregrineV - Generally speaking low on content;
Pappums Leather Jacket - Active scumhunting, adequate content; town
Zinger2099 - No real content, besides not wanting to be vigged;
marco1610 - The back and forth with Vifam didn't sit well with me, but just on Vifam's part. Marco just seemed like high-strung town.
Pvt Slate - That post calling out people on Vifam's wagon seemed to be more of an intimidation tactic, I want to see what comes of this; null/leaning scum pending certain flips.
Nero Cain - Had a little moment similar to the "look, they are doing it too" theory, but nothing that really worries me right now; null/leaning town
David Xanatos - See case above; scum
easjo682 - Not a fan of playstyle;
jilynne1991 - This wagon was ridiculous nothing led me to assume that she was scum, I just got a newb vibe; probtown
Pinky and the Brain - Called jily out for a lack of content when at that time their own player slot hadn't brought much more, if anything, to the table besides indifference to mass claiming; null/leaning scum.
ZeL1nK - Claimed vig...No real thoughts on this unless we see another day
andrew94 - Skimmy McSkimPants. Actively lurking; leaning scum
izakthegoomba -Lack of content.
Pine - Is Pine even playing??? I kid. I kid.
Chevre - No content.
ThAdmiral - Helpful and scumhunting; town
Vifam - Sheeping, deflecting; however it is the feeling of this hydra that he could just be newb STRONGLY leaning scum
Rodion - Little suspicious of the player slot, but we do not feel that David and Rodion are of the same alignment...
Leonshade - Doesn't seem to want to rock the boat much, tries to appease town; leaning scum
ThreeIsFrench -OH I WILL GET TO THIS!
killerjester - Doesn't seem too concerned with anyone else's thoughts, active; town
Oversoul - No content
silverdrummer - Still has an active RVS vote, which came off as OMGUS, hard to believe they haven't found anyone worthy of voting...
PROBLEMS WITH 3isFrench:
Lame reason for voting Vifam - Calls Vifam out for naming 5 people as scum when it is perfectly reasonable in a 27 player game to have that many suspects. Saw this vote as weak...
Double votes Vifam and when questioned has this reasoning:
ThreeIsFrench wrote:Pinky and the Brain wrote:ThreeIsFrench wrote:oh the irony.
nero why would you assume that? not a good thing to assume.
VOTE: vifan
TIF:
a) You were already voting Vifam. Who did you think you were voting?
b) (Ignoring the fact that you were already voting Vifam,) what prompted you to vote Vifam here?
The VC didnt have my name on it; thought maybe i forgot to vote. Same reasons, as previously but with the added evidence, i just voted due to thinking i was off the wagon
Well after looking through all of the vote counts and noticing that ThreeisFrench was represented accurately in all of them, with NO notations of editing, I can only take that excuse for double vote as a lie. feel free to check Mod's ISO here
ThreeisFrench is obviously lying, and why would you lie about something that could be attributed to a little mistake. Strongly leaning scum.
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killerjester wrote:
Leonshade wrote:I don't think Vifam joining the Jil wagon early on is anything special, it was a viable wagon at a time when not much else was going on. As for Jil, me staying on that bandwagon was more because I felt that there were already a lot of people pressuring Vifam so I figured I could do more by pressuring and questioning another player. But since it looks like it might take a while to replace Jilynne, I don't see much reason to stay on that bandwagon.
We cannot bandwagon more than one target at a time. That's simply not how the game works. Yes, other scumdoexist, but your vote is your entire statement to the town. Either you feel Vifam is the most scummy and your vote belongs there, or you have doubts and you keep your vote on Jil and you tell us why you have doubts on the bandwagon. My question about Vifam joining the Jil wagon was more-so asking to detail, since you think both are pretty scummy, why Vifam would have voted for Jil? If you saw nothing out of the ordinary then why are you so convinced that Vifam is scum? Switching your vote to Vifam at this point seems only to appease the town, because I pointed out what was off about you. All your reasoning seems to be just repeating what everyone else has said. You're looking scummier and scummier to me, and I'mvery confidentmy vote is placed where it ought to be.
I rarely have strong enough reads early on in D1 to consider one player scummier than another, so I consider my D1 vote to be a tool with which to pressure people. I now consider Vifam scummy enough for a vote, but at the time of my initial post suspecting him, I wanted to stay on Jil because I felt that there might be more to her/her player slot. A voice can easily drown out in a large crowd, so I was hoping to bring the town's attention to another possible scum instead of being just another vote on a bandwagon. Now I feel Vifam is scummy enough to merit a vote above everyone else, however.
Why would Vifam have voted for Jil? Early bussing is possible, as are multiple scum teams. I don't like to speculate on that this early on, though, which is why I don't consider it all that interesting at the moment. When I said I was nothing out of the ordinary, I was specifically referring to Vifam's vote on Jil, not on his other behavior.
There's nothing I can say to your comments about appeasing town, I can only hope that my actions will show that you're wrong.
Zinger2099 wrote:jasonT1981 wrote:marco1610 wrote:Jil hasn't been replaced yet, right?
MOD: no, I have been having problems with finding replacements in games lately.
*gasp* JT! YOU'RE ALLIVE?!
*snicker*
You aren't voting for anyone and most of your posts have been either fluff or one-word answers to questions. Are you actually going to do anything in this game, other than answering "yes" to this question?"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Hehe, sorry for the not posting. I keep going to, then get turned away by the whole switching accounts thing.
I have had my vote on andrew since RVS, yes, so...
UNVOTE: andrew94
Vifam is... I don't know what to think. See, I do believe that Vifam's behaviour is newbish, but... The fact that he's made an Alt account kind of nulls that. If he thinks he's not all that new, then we can't let him off for being new.
For this, I'm going to VOTE: Vifam, for now.
Also: What's with all the claiming already? I thought that the consensus was that we wouldn't claim, but we've already had an Earl (My Name is Earl) and a Vigilante claim.
Finally: ZeL1nK?
They aren't really helping in any way. Seemingly joking the whole time, avoiding Hydra head claiming with no reason (as far as I can see)... I don't really know what to think, really. This post really doesn't help either.
The views in this post are solely the views of the cjdrum side of the Hydra.
silverbullet999 may or may not agree with any or all of this post, but in his absence cjdrum still has to post his own thoughts opinions.
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Am I the only one that read easjo's #269 and saw "I am scum" repeated about 50 times?
silverdrummer wrote:They aren't really helping in any way. Seemingly joking the whole time, avoiding Hydra head claiming with no reason (as far as I can see)...
Helping what?
Joking about what?
As for not claiming heads, why do you care?
plj wrote:Zinger is not putting forth any sort of content whatsoever, despite doing some pretty decent scumhunting in Super Hero Mafia. PeregrineV and Leonshade both look like they are active lurking, not putting much content out, and not really committing to any reads.
My thoughts on Zinger are pretty much the same, and while I'm not sure about Leon, I'm pretty sure Pere's 'active lurking' isn't an indication of alignment.-
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With the game...ZeL1nK wrote:silverdrummer wrote:They aren't really helping in any way. Seemingly joking the whole time, avoiding Hydra head claiming with no reason (as far as I can see)...
Helping what?
All kinds of things. See your ISO.ZeL1nK wrote:Joking about what?
It means you have something to hide, which can't be good.ZeL1nK wrote:As for not claiming heads, why do you care?
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izakthegoomba wrote:Yeah, Vifam, are you trying to get yourself lynched or something?
Has Jason gone and stuck a bloody jester in this game?
I don't like this post. It feels like a "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M UNINFORMED MAJORITY LOOK AT ME ASK ABOUT JESTERS"-post.
Leonshade's move onto the Vifam wagon is bad.
So, as has been articulated, this post is kindaSpoiler: #236, emphasis minesupporting the wagon yet not really supporting it and also distancing from it but also leaving himself room to actually support the wagon at a later point.
The given reason for this? (A): Vifam has enough votes.
Here, Leonshade moves onto the wagon, even though there has actually been a net movement of MORE votes onto the Vifam wagon.Spoiler: #270, emphasis mine
(B) suggests that previously,by itself, Vifam's deflection of suspicion was not enough to convince Leonshade that Vifam was scum.
However, surely then, Leonshade's reason for not voting Vifam earlier would have been that (by itself) the deflection of suspicion was not enough to earn his vote. As we've seen [see (A)] that was NOT his reason for not voting Vifam, and herein lies the contradiction.
(C): When he tries to reconcile his earlier stance of not voting Vifam with his vote now, he uses the excuse that jily's slot is taking a while to get replaced. Which a reasonable justification for unvoting jily.
However, it is NOT a reasonable justification for voting Vifam, who has more votes than he did when Leonshade avoided voting Vifam before [see (A)]. Because that reason should still be valid for not voting Vifam.
Leonshade is trying to make it look like he had to choose between voting jily and Vifam, which of course is NOT the case. There are plenty of great people to vote (Pappums' list is good).
UNVOTE: Vifam
VOTE: Leonshade
(Haven't conferred with diddin, but I like my case.)
chkballin wrote:Pinky and the Brain - Called jily out for a lack of content when at that time their own player slot hadn't brought much more, if anything, to the table besides indifference to mass claiming; null/leaning scum.
With all due respect, this is stupid. We hadn't posted yet (obviously I'm excluding /confirms) and thus hadn't had an opportunity to comment on anything but jily had posted and had the opportunity to comment and she didn't (or DIDDIN'T! HA! Yeah, I stole that pun off somebody).
silverdrummer wrote:Vifam is... I don't know what to think. See, I do believe that Vifam's behaviour is newbish, but... The fact that he's made an Alt account kind of nulls that. If he thinks he's not all that new, then we can't let him off for being new.
For this, I'm going to VOTE: Vifam, for now.
Whatttt is this crap.
If a midget doesn't think he's a midget, is he no longer a midget? Should he then be allowed onto, say, Theme Park rides with a minimum height restriction (which he does not meet)?
Your reason for ruling out Vifam as newb(-town) is stupid and based on something completely arbitrary to the game. Try again, please.
ZeL1nK wrote:Am I the only one that read easjo's #269 and saw "I am scum" repeated about 50 times?
Blue: Null - wrong, but null.Spoiler: easjo #269, font colour alterations mine
Red: Scummy - trying to appear helpful.
Green: Slight-town/null - not backing down on personal views.
So you're exaggerating slightly.
It begs the question though: why are you not voting easjo?
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First off, to get my standard "How I Play" PSA out of the way: I rank my suspects from 0 (absolutely town) - 100 (absolutely scum). Everybody starts at 50. Because Idon'tbelieve in towntells and am skeptical about most scumtells, it is common for people to stay at 50. 50 does not mean "no opinion" - it means "I don't see scumtells" from this person. Absent claims, need for deadline compromises, etc. I will always vote the person with the highest score.
16:Vezok+5for supporting a mass name-claim. Vezok is notorious Village Idiot, so Iam comfortable ascribing his support of a MC to opportunism rather than any thought-out strategy
17:Vifam+5for same reason, though this time it is the passive nature of the support ("no reason not too, but I'd hold up on it")
66:Rodion+7for trying to escalate the obv-early Vezok wagon to a fullclaim
96: Expand that with a furtherRodion+3for a very weak defence of his original position (because he presents the fullclaim as if it is a point for consideration before a lynch, rather than an escalation of the situation)
114:Pinky+5for a weak boilerplate attack on my precedessor. Presenting as "fencesitting" the fact that my predecessor had a conflicting meta view on vezok not only has no bearing on this game, but is a misrep of her initiial statement
115:Vifam+3for sheeping 114
141:Leon+7for voting my predecessor based on a "defence" of vezok, when all she'd offered was a meta position. You can't "defend" somebody who isn't under attack - so this just screams of being a weak effort to join an existing wagon.-
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Day 1 Vote count 3
Vifam 11- Marco, 3isFrench,Vezo, ZeL1nk, DavidX, THAdmiral, Nero, Izak, Rodion, Leonshade,Silver(L-3)
Leonshade 2- KillerJester, Pinky
vollkan 1 Vifam,
DavidX 1 - CHKBallin
ThAdmiral 1 - Chevre
Silver 1 - Andrew
Pine 1 - Oversoul
Chevre 1 - Pappum
Silverdrummer 1 - Slate
CHKBallin 1 - PeregrineV
V/LA: David Xantos, MOI
Prods: Oversoul (1) Cherve (1)
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killerjester wrote:ThAdmiral wrote:@ killerjester: from your language it seems like you think there is no chance that vifam is scum. Is this correct?
No, sorry if it came off that way. I was actually quite conflicted about Vifam's alignment back around my #177 post. It was enough uncertainty, in my opinion, to withdraw my vote.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.
killerjester wrote:We cannot bandwagon more than one target at a time. That's simply not how the game works.
I disagree. In fact I believe competing wagons is the ideal situation for town. Admittedly this normally happens towards the end of a day and not so much at the start.
@ chkballin: good case on dx. He's definitely shot up my scum reads list after that.
I don't really see the 3isFrench one though. By the same token why would scum lie if they could reasonably get away with "oops, my bad"?
@ leonshade: can I haz links to some of your other games pls?
ZeL1nK wrote:Am I the only one that read easjo's #269 and saw "I am scum" repeated about 50 times?
Pretty sure it doesn't say that, bro.
Also getting pretty defensive about silverbullets comments, aren't we?
Pinky and the Brain wrote:It begs the question though: why are you not voting easjo?
Well said.Don't ask me to provide self meta-
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Page 12 and I already got a damn prod. I am sorry guys, I completely forgot about this game. I am signed up for so many and I did this on a whim at 12 A.M.
I will post content when I get back to a computer, but for now I have a pretty big town read on Rodion and MagnaofIllusion.
About Vifam, I can't really say much as I haven't really looked into his posts, but I did see some sheeping.
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