H to the izz-O, V to the izz-A
Fo' shizzle my nizzle used to dribble down in VA
Wickedestjr wrote:Vote: Horrifying Hero- Long time no see, Mastin.
@Everyone-
1. Do you prefer to be mafia or town?
2. How do you plan to catch the scum?
HezLucky wrote:
LobsterCatapult wrote: pedit: shit. ninjad by wicked
It took you 8 minutes to write that post? Are you sure?
Early FOS's: Yank, ConfidAnon
Horrifying Hero wrote:This game.
Way too easy.
Wicked, thanks for giving you one of your buddies. When you die, Yonzy's next.
Care to give us your third?
HezLucky wrote:Kid Know Nothing wrote:Lack of frustration is NOT a scum tell. That is bs. Frustration clouds judgement, why would that be town?
Have you ever played mafia before in your life?
Wickedestjr wrote:So what do you guys think about tarsonisocelot?
Rainbowdash wrote:Wickedestjr wrote:Rainbowdash wrote:If you could give me something to respond to it would be more awesome though.
I didn't really care if you responded or not. My point is that there are many other pros to lynching avasthearties right now aside from the lynching claimed VTs policy. The fact that avasthearties isn't a town powerrole just makes this lynch even better and we shouldn't have to risk outing any powerroles or narrowing down the pool of players which could be powerroles for the scum (especially not on day 1).
I was actually talking to LC who as far as I can tell is voting me for thinking Vifam is scum or to just setup a very well placed pony pic.
Rainbowdash wrote:Unvote
Vote Avas
Not loving this one at all though.
Rainbowdash wrote:LobsterCatapult wrote:why did you vote bob, then unvote him and put your vote back on a train that is clearly getting all the pressure out of it that it can? then undercutting your vote by saying its not your favorite when we have a few days of scumhunting left?
I need the Avas flip at this point for my reads, and im going to continue to just be wrought with paranoia until I get confirmation either way on him. Bob does continue to bug me, then I look back at my notes and second guess myself. A couple flips should really be nice here for telling me if he is scum or town, since the ties are quite obvious to multiple large personalities.
Part of the hop is that I forgot there are 31 days in July so deadline was 24 hours closer and wanted a solid wagon to be up against wicked, but Bob is no longer really wanted for me. Vifam I would move to in an instant, but everyone who in past has shown want to move there has since then rooted themselves on other wagons.
Truthfull guess, its 50-50 for Avas, and I just want Vifam gone.
There is a little loop happening between Tarin-Wicked-Avas-Bob right now that has be on edge. Tarin backs off the Wicked wagon to vote for el simo, which makes Bob not like him which is actually the exact reason that I voted for Bob. Tarin is doing nothing to protect Avas who Bob thinks is scum in this situation with an el simo vote, which is confusing since Bob is voting Avas. Unless his arguement is that Tarin is abandoning her partners counterwagon for someone that is going nowhere, I dont get it. That is why I voted Bob, but again he is on Avas and that is just confusing me more. I need a flip here, and will take Vifam or Avas. I would be accepting enough to a Bob wagon, but he is a third pick.
Know my opinion just changed a few times in that post, but I really am not sure what to do here.
Horrifying Hero wrote:/Valid.Hez wrote:Rainbow is playing the fucking mediator.
And a huge piece of our wall, if you didn't notice. We stopped on 10, but if we continued, so too would the trend have.
Oh, look. The Wicked wagon has fallen apart. And the avas quickwagon remains, but not for long.The Mod wrote:avasthearties - 6 (Kid Know Nothing, bobsnox, Wickedestjr, YankCane151, ConfidAnon, Rainbowdash)
Rainbowdash - 2 (LobsterCatapult, HezLucky)
Wickedestjr - 2 (Horrifying Hero, avasthearties)
Gee, we wonder why?
(Answer: because avas is a mislynch. The quickwagon on avas is fail. The slower, gradual wagon on Wicked is win, because it's a scum-lynch. Mastin would highly encourage you all to check out Mini 1180, where this happened two days IN A ROW--the WormyKrew successful scum lynch had multiple wagons throughout the day which fell apart gradually, replaced by quick wagons on town players which fell apart equally as easily. It then happened, only WORSE on day two. Multiple times people were quickwagoned to L-2 or even L-1, and their wagons fell apart, compared to the gradual Alduskkel lynch, which was on scum.
It's natural versus artificial, slow and gradual versus quick and rushed. Natural wagons build with time and collapse when scum find an artificial wagon to go up quickly, on town.)
Proof of this phenomenon:
One!
Two!
Three!
Four!
You seriously think a wagon on scum forms that quickly?
No. Bob's town. Avas is town.
Admittedly, we're skimming the walls a bit, but we're caught up enough overall.
Wickedestjr wrote:EBWOP: Note that none of these points revolve around my actual scumhunting this game, but it is because of the way I speak, my opinion on mafia theory, and my questions in the RVS which you have incorrectly assumed the motivations for (Rainbowdash is the only player who seems to have actually figured out why I asked those questions).
Those of you who think this case is good need to learn how to scumhunt. Because that case is a load of weak BS. Seriously...
The case against avasthearties is way stronger.
But I guess Ishouldclaim, even though I really didn't want to. I'm a cop. Nice work guys.
Horrifying Hero wrote:So...let me get this straight:Wickedestjr wrote:But I guess Ishouldclaim, even though I really didn't want to. I'm a cop. Nice work guys.
You, a "cop", sees a 'Miller' claim, and...
...You're distrustful of it?!?
HELL NO.
Confirm Vote.
~Lat.
Horrifying Hero wrote:Millers are a role MADE to be in setups with a Cop. YOU DON'T FUCKING IGNORE/DISTRUST A MILLER CLAIM AS A COP.
~Lat
HezLucky wrote:I don't believe Wicked's claim but I don't lynch claimed cops on Day 1 (check my wiki page for my meta on that)
last time someone claimed cop (Open 302) day 1 i didn't believe him either and he was the cop.
Rainbowdash wrote:Horrifying Hero wrote:Alright. We can see a cop in the game. We can see a vig in the game. BUT NOT BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. Vigs and cops are redundant. If this was a weakened vig (limited shot, not shooting every night), I can see it. BUT A FULL VIG AND A COP SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE IN A GAME.Rainbow wrote:I am a vig, which is why I was happy with a blind Vifam lynch after the cop claim since if both were real there is at most one other town power out there.
Bugger all you need your head checked here mate.
A vig and a cop are entirely different roles, such as killing and information roles. This is opposed to something like tracker and watcher, or doctor and jailkeeper which don't actually add up. Not to mention vig is the most swingy of all standard roles. You are suffering from a very clear cut case of hoof in mouth disease though and have no idea how much I want to just blast you tonight in order to stop it from spreading. For ONE second here, consider the fact that you may be wrong about me, and about wicked. If you are so convinced of us too, why are you voting for the person I have been trying to get lynched on and off for the last 10 or so pages, especially when I really easily could have gotten my bob lynch here? Are you scum with bob? Maybe its HH-Bob-KKN! See I can play the same stubborn game if I want to.
Fact is, you NEVER lynch a claimed cop on the first day given that it gets results and will draw RBers away from the rest of the game. Its a mafia game, with a claimed cop. If the cop is real do you for one second think that there is no counter? Its a freaking powerful role and one of the biggest potential game changers, even one result from a confirmed cop will change the entire course of the game. A fake cop is going to need to keep spitting out bad results that eventually tend to end in them getting caught through them, or if they choose the RBer route, caught by game flow.
Still, I don't get the Wicked push. There is one line from him that makes me a little leary, but apart from that its probably pretty close to how I would have approached the miller claim as a cop. Ignore it and hope the game gets past it before people start dropping not cop tells. HH is just trying really hard to apply every post as a scumtell, you can do that to anyone. Im sure I can make a near bulletproof case on HH in a day if I really wanted to taking the same amount of "tone" assumptions they have.
Im going to stop posting here before I get more off tilt and out of character, but HH is really starting to set me off which is something I promised myself I wasn't going to allow happen.
Horrifying Hero wrote:Funny, you seem to have answered your own question.though, i must say, im REALLY surprised they lynchedrainbow over wicked.
wicked needs to claim results.
HH. any new reasons why ur voting wicked?
Especially when paired with:
cop wasnt rbed....
tarsonisocelot wrote:HezLucky wrote:Nobody's posting.
I demand to know why fake cop Wicked has not been lynched yet.
Someone enlighten me.
If Wicked is scum then the scumteam have to either give them up tomorrow to be lynched as obviously fake or have to abstain from killing toight if they want to pretend there's a doctor.
Leave them alive until tomorrow and either the scumteam will kill them if they're town and there's no doctor, the scumteam will not kill anyone giving us a free day or the scumteam will kill a random and we'll lynch Wicked tomorrow.
If they flip town then we may have an extra read. If they're scum there's no real downside to getting more interactions with them and possible analysable hijinks before they flip.
Either way they'll flip soon enough without lynching them right now this instant.
Wickedestjr wrote:@Everyone not voting me- Would you support my lynch?
Vifam wrote:Kid Know Nothing - 5 (vifam, avasthearties,bobsnox, el simo,Rainbowdash)
There HAS to be scum somewhere in this lynch.
HezLucky wrote:tarsonisocelot wrote:HezLucky wrote:tarsonisocelot wrote:Leave them alive until tomorrow and either the scumteam will kill them if they're town and there's no doctor, the scumteam will not kill anyone giving us a free day or the scumteam will kill a random and we'll lynch Wicked tomorrow.
What? How long are we going to leave wicked scumbag alive? Right now he is scum just squriming for one more day. This is not town play at all.
Just until tomorrow.
Then we potentially get one more piece of information.
There are enough people alive that we can do this without risking the game.
You're right about Wicked's play being anti-town for the vast majority of this game and more so now, but I can hope that if they are town then knowing that they will be killed tomorrow they'll pick their investigation target wisely tonight and give us a set of reads to go on with (that we will completely ignore if they are scum).
I am willing to hammer Wicked tomorrow, or if we reach deadline today without an alternative.
LobsterCatapult: Why do you think scum have the ability to roleblock or rediect town powers?
Also I agree with you on there likely being one scum out of {avast|el simo} and that one likely being el simo based on the yesterday wagoning.
VOTE: el simo
This guy is scum for the reason I posted in the previous post.
"I think Wicked is scum but I DON'T WANT HIM LYNCHED"
What. The. Fuck. There is no reason for this. He's trying desperately to put a counterwagon together too.
Ethos wrote:
The scum team are Lobster and Avasthe, there's so much god damn proof showing so as well including Friends soft distancing with Avsas when he replaced in. Avas's acknowledgement and arguing wth anyone else who FoS's her but her avoidance of doing so with Friend. The voting and bandwagonging that occured throughout the later half of day one and the fact that Lobster stated that she FoS'ed Avas and was happy hammering yet never voted her once throughout the entire day. The fact that Lobster came straight into today saying not lynching cop is the best bet but her quick change of mind when an illogical argument was put forward. There's also multiple individual scum-tells that each has dropped such as Avas decline of activity and play other than changing of votes at the later half of day one and Vifams interactions with Lobster stating that her posts were "off' but never voting her.
Honestly, just ISO the both of them, read their comments directed or about each other and their actual play in the game. Lobster voted just about everyone in the room with the exception of Vifam and Avasthe despite having them both as scum-reads at one point or another when a wagon was forming on them and Lobsters urging Vifam to come back when he was getting voted at the end of the day while voting Rainbow.
Heck, Mastin I know that you've got it stuck in your mind that Avas is town and that Wicked is scum but I really rather not have a repeat of Mini 1180, it's the very last thing I want to occur. So please for the love of god join us on either the Lobster or Avas lynch and have Wicked investigate one more time tonight. If somehow we're wrong on Lobster and Avas and they flip town (Which I'm close enough to guaranteeing that won't) then you can deal with Wicked tomorrow after he's outed his report.
vote avast
Ethos wrote:LobsterCatapults reasoning behind his Rainbowdash vote on D1 when a Vifam lynch was suggested by Rainbowdash wrote:you said that you think he is scum, and dont believe the claim, but didnt vote for him. i find that scummy.LobsterCatapults reasoning behind not voting Wicked earlier today despite saying he's mafia multiple times wrote:Since we were so skeptical about wicked's claim yesterday, i'm now not really surprised he is still alive with scum hoping that wicked will be mislynched. HOWEVER, this is a really strange thing that neither the vig nor the "cop" were rbed, and the cop wasn't redirected. it was a big gamble for scum to make, however... im inclined to look into other candidates today as well. this isn't a 2 person scum team.