points from yesterday still stand, especially in light of recent flips.
Also,
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I may actually compile some sort of DJ case soon. I may not. We'll see.
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don_johnson wrote:Skins/parama/bob would not surprise me.
gain: parama stated bob was clear very early in game. Why? According to bob, parama has no night action, so he could not have investigated him. So why was parama confirming bob?
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote bobsnox
This isnt fitting together at all. I could see bob/parama bussing zodiark possibly, buy xvart makes good points. Bob has not been protown.
Parama wrote:So right now we have all the smart people voting Zod, Zod trying to get bobsnox lynched, one of his scumbuddies in the neighbors assisting him, and the other neighbor being stupid. And havingfitz is making a fail and wasting his vote.
When Zodiark flips scum, I'm going to find out which of the neighbors is his buddy. Should be easy enough. Seeing the wagon now, no way in hell both neighbors are town.
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote parama
this seems like a safer way to start.the bob parama connection is odd to say the least. imo, tracker is a role given to scum as often as it is a role given to town. the fact that parama seems to be going along with the claim is scummier than bob's play. parama claims to have picked up on the claim earlier. absolutely noone else did(except me, however, to me it read as though parama was claiming power and clearing bob. bob didn't mind, i even tossed this idea around in the neighbor qt and xvart was like "whatcu talkin bout?" it was very subtle. so if bob was clearing parama, why isn't parama the least bit suspicious now when bob is claiming watcher instead of cop? excuse me tracker. so we all know that tracker doesn't "clear" someone of scum alignment, yet bob is acting like his clear of parama is guaranteed. parama is going along with it without question. odd.
now bob claims to have trakced his biggest scumread last night whom he has also stated would not be the player on the scum team to be sent to perform the kill. of course, scum didn't know town had a tracker, right? this reads to me more like scum running fake claim than town being honest. details have not come out clean. thats the thing about fake claims, its hard to get everything to fit. the fact that this seems so jumbled it what makes me suspicious. bobs defense is, "well why would i protect parama?" well, if parama is your scum buddy and you are mafia tracker, then you have every incentive to. if parama is town, he should at least have been suspicious of you at some point. but he wasn't. in fact, he accepted your soft claim without question. maybe he even claims to have known which power role you were claiming, but common sense says, "you clear parama, parama has to assume you are cop, you claim tracker, parama should at least question you." but he doesn't. he just keeps going along with it. i don't know. something about this situation just stinks and bob is now saying "well keep me alive for a couple days, we probably don't have a cop." baiting out town power is not good form my friend.
anyhoo, i'm willing to start with parama to test the theory, in case bob is town. also, parama could be scum buddying town, so his lynch is a much better bet.
[/goodposting]Parama wrote:Bwahahaha, dj's definitely the scum neighbor. "I think bobsnox is scum, and I think Parama is scum by association, so let me lynch the player who I feel is scum by association instead of the one who I feel is scum for actual reasons."
At least the Zodiark wagon's the leading wagon again
don_johnson wrote:parama, i don't think you're reading correctly. i thought i clearly stated that your actions were scummy independent of bobs alignment, not the other way around. the fact that you claim to have picked up his softclaim(no way in hell you interpreted him as "tracker", so you had to think he was most likely cop), and when he claimed a much less reliable role, you haven't questioned it one bit. thats odd to me.
not sure what to make of des placing someone at L-1 while trying to "wait" for replacements to post. parama claimed vt which means his lynch isn't an uber loss to town, so accelerating the counterwagon out of "fear" doesn't make sense at all. thanks des. way to tie yourself to parama.
bob: independent of your "track", how do you feel about parama and why?
don_johnson wrote:also, regarding zod's "contradiction", i don't find anything wrong with changing one's mind. it happens all the time. if the posts were within a couple hours of each other with no posting in between(were they?) then it may be construed as scum backtrack, but i came out of the gate thinking blok was scum for his hammer but after rethinking it i changed my mind. so whatever. i think the zodiark case is a mountain out of a mole hill.
parama: i don't think there is a scum neighbor. xvart is posting pretty protown.
don_johnson wrote:bob: not trying to "misrep" you. i just disagree with whats going on in general right now. i clearly explained the scum motivation for your actions.the fact that parama hasn't questioned you AT ALL reads like he may be scum trying to coast off your good graces, or you guys could be scumbuddies outed early and using a "hey, if things get tight i'll just claim towntracker" type gambit. i did a similar gambit as scumwatcher and bussed my entire scumteam to a victory. so yeah.ifparama is yourscumbuddythenyour actions make perfect sense.
parama:[wifom="OMG WIFOM"] i'm not scum[/wifom], so if there is a scum neighbor(which you keep implying) then it is xvart. seeing that i don't think xvart is scum, i have to say "i don't think there is a scum neighbor." it has nothing to do with what you think of xvart. the fact that xvart doesn't have the same mistake in his pm that i have in mine is a little odd and i hope for it to be explained in endgame, but imo, it is better to scumhunt in games as opposed to outside of them.
skins: thanks for the repost,the fact is,the case isn't terrible and i'm willing to hammer him., my gut just says hes town whose not good at writing. but whatever. i think we're better off letting imaginality in here before we end the day. i still don't like des putting zod to L-1. parama and bob are in no real danger of being lynched today, so his excuse reads like, well, an excuse. of all the votes on zod, thats the one that looks lilke a bus to me. but whatever.if i am wrong about parama/bob, then zod could very well be scum
bob: please expand on your answer. what is it about parama that has you leaning town besides your night result?
Zodiark13 wrote:Oh well.
Vote:Zodiark13
deselby wrote:On second thoughts imag, maybe get a move on just in case someone does hammer....
don_johnson wrote:Please compile a case so as I have something to respond to. "points from yesterday" doesnt give me much. Ill post more from home. I still think my neighbor is town, and odds put parama as town, but I cant post a lot from my phone. So yeah.
CooLskins wrote:Now lets catch-up in the correct account.
don_johnson wrote:Skins/parama/bob would not surprise me.
gain: parama stated bob was clear very early in game. Why? According to bob, parama has no night action, so he could not have investigated him. So why was parama confirming bob?
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote bobsnox
This isnt fitting together at all. I could see bob/parama bussing zodiark possibly, buy xvart makes good points. Bob has not been protown.
Okay yeah, you are scum. Never made a case on bob, never really contributed to the game.
skins wrote:Parama wrote:So right now we have all the smart people voting Zod, Zod trying to get bobsnox lynched, one of his scumbuddies in the neighbors assisting him, and the other neighbor being stupid. And havingfitz is making a fail and wasting his vote.
When Zodiark flips scum, I'm going to find out which of the neighbors is his buddy. Should be easy enough. Seeing the wagon now,no way in hell both neighbors are town.
Perfect assessment of the situation.
skins wrote:don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote parama
this seems like a safer way to start.the bob parama connection is odd to say the least. imo, tracker is a role given to scum as often as it is a role given to town. the fact that parama seems to be going along with the claim is scummier than bob's play. parama claims to have picked up on the claim earlier. absolutely noone else did(except me, however, to me it read as though parama was claiming power and clearing bob. bob didn't mind, i even tossed this idea around in the neighbor qt and xvart was like "whatcu talkin bout?" it was very subtle. so if bob was clearing parama, why isn't parama the least bit suspicious now when bob is claiming watcher instead of cop? excuse me tracker. so we all know that tracker doesn't "clear" someone of scum alignment, yet bob is acting like his clear of parama is guaranteed. parama is going along with it without question. odd.
now bob claims to have trakced his biggest scumread last night whom he has also stated would not be the player on the scum team to be sent to perform the kill. of course, scum didn't know town had a tracker, right? this reads to me more like scum running fake claim than town being honest. details have not come out clean. thats the thing about fake claims, its hard to get everything to fit. the fact that this seems so jumbled it what makes me suspicious. bobs defense is, "well why would i protect parama?" well, if parama is your scum buddy and you are mafia tracker, then you have every incentive to. if parama is town, he should at least have been suspicious of you at some point. but he wasn't. in fact, he accepted your soft claim without question. maybe he even claims to have known which power role you were claiming, but common sense says, "you clear parama, parama has to assume you are cop, you claim tracker, parama should at least question you." but he doesn't. he just keeps going along with it. i don't know. something about this situation just stinks and bob is now saying "well keep me alive for a couple days, we probably don't have a cop." baiting out town power is not good form my friend.
anyhoo, i'm willing to start with parama to test the theory, in case bob is town. also, parama could be scum buddying town, so his lynch is a much better bet.
Bullshit "case" with nice vailed soft omgus you are catching on sorta thing. Also, not italics.
skins wrote:[goodposting="parama"][/goodposting]Parama wrote:Bwahahaha, dj's definitely the scum neighbor. "I think bobsnox is scum, and I think Parama is scum by association, so let me lynch the player who I feel is scum by association instead of the one who I feel is scum for actual reasons."
At least the Zodiark wagon's the leading wagon again
This is exactly what I'm thinking by reading his posts. He thinks he can get you lynchoverbob right now, so he is going to push that.
don_johnson wrote:parama, i don't think you're reading correctly. i thought i clearly stated that your actions were scummy independent of bobs alignment, not the other way around. the fact that you claim to have picked up his softclaim(no way in hell you interpreted him as "tracker", so you had to think he was most likely cop), and when he claimed a much less reliable role, you haven't questioned it one bit. thats odd to me.
skins wrote:I would sorta agree with this, if you actually quoted one of parama's posts in your case.
skins wrote:That's it. No more. So not only do you think that an obv townie (bob) is scum. But you also think that someone "associated with him" is scum over that townie. You absolutly never outlined why, and now we defend a flipped scum. Okay.
skins wrote:don_johnson wrote:bob: not trying to "misrep" you. i just disagree with whats going on in general right now. i clearly explained the scum motivation for your actions.the fact that parama hasn't questioned you AT ALL reads like he may be scum trying to coast off your good graces, or you guys could be scumbuddies outed early and using a "hey, if things get tight i'll just claim towntracker" type gambit. i did a similar gambit as scumwatcher and bussed my entire scumteam to a victory. so yeah.ifparama is yourscumbuddythenyour actions make perfect sense.
parama:[wifom="OMG WIFOM"] i'm not scum[/wifom], so if there is a scum neighbor(which you keep implying) then it is xvart. seeing that i don't think xvart is scum, i have to say "i don't think there is a scum neighbor." it has nothing to do with what you think of xvart. the fact that xvart doesn't have the same mistake in his pm that i have in mine is a little odd and i hope for it to be explained in endgame, but imo, it is better to scumhunt in games as opposed to outside of them.
skins: thanks for the repost,the fact is,the case isn't terrible and i'm willing to hammer him., my gut just says hes town whose not good at writing. but whatever. i think we're better off letting imaginality in here before we end the day. i still don't like des putting zod to L-1. parama and bob are in no real danger of being lynched today, so his excuse reads like, well, an excuse. of all the votes on zod, thats the one that looks lilke a bus to me. but whatever.if i am wrong about parama/bob, then zod could very well be scum
bob: please expand on your answer. what is it about parama that has you leaning town besides your night result?
I'm not going to say anything about this post. I'm just not going to. Look at the bolded stuffs. My eyes bleed.
skins wrote:Try this: Defend every single post you have made about bob, zodiark, and parama.Also defend the bolded contridiction saying that you are now willing to hammer after nothing changed.And then get lynched.
zodiark was not defending himself.dj wrote:. zodiark seems to be getting the noose and doing very little to stop his own hanging, so lets get some imaginality and then proceed."
dj wrote:
skins wrote:Zodiark13 wrote:Oh well.
Vote:Zodiark13
deselby wrote:On second thoughts imag, maybe get a move on just in case someone does hammer....
This is the best tandem post I have seen in a while. I really loled.
parama wrote:When Zodiark flips scum, I'm going to find out which of the neighbors is his buddy.
don johnson wrote:xvart is town based on his level headed posting. even though he made a case against bob(confirmed town), the case had merit and pointed out several inconsistencies in bobs play. also, and here's the kicker,bob came after me early which is a bad play for scum.the "one neighbor must be scum" fallacy is a common case, and if xvart was scum it would not be in his best interest to have me flip town.
don johnson wrote:with a strong town player believing there is scum in the neighborhood, a 1-2 lynch can lose us the game. i'd rather we lynch outside the hood for scum first.if we find scum today, then i have no issue with being lynched tomorrow, however, the "one neighbor must be scum" fallacy should not be applied in this game because i am pretty sure xvart is not scum. lynching me today will place town in a very difficult position.
imaginality wrote:don johnson wrote:xvart is town based on his level headed posting. even though he made a case against bob(confirmed town), the case had merit and pointed out several inconsistencies in bobs play. also, and here's the kicker,bob came after me early which is a bad play for scum.the "one neighbor must be scum" fallacy is a common case, and if xvart was scum it would not be in his best interest to have me flip town.
I'm confused by the bolded (bob isn't scum). Did you mean xvart instead of bob?
imaginality wrote:don johnson wrote:with a strong town player believing there is scum in the neighborhood, a 1-2 lynch can lose us the game. i'd rather we lynch outside the hood for scum first.if we find scum today, then i have no issue with being lynched tomorrow, however, the "one neighbor must be scum" fallacy should not be applied in this game because i am pretty sure xvart is not scum. lynching me today will place town in a very difficult position.
If mislynching both neighbours loses us the game as things stand, it still loses us the game even if we lynch scum today first and then do a 1-2 mislynch tomorrow and the following day. As such, I don't see why you are saying the bolded.
CooLskins, 307 wrote:Basically all zodiark has done is vote for the person that hammered yesterday. And built up a small case on bob for swingy on and off of wagons. He hasn't generated that much content, but he has said anything that is overtly scummy.
CooLskins, 310 wrote:I totally disagree with CooLDoG.
unvote; vote: zodiark
CooLskins, 342 wrote:@xvart, Its not a flip flop. Its bub's view on zodiark. I personally have a null read on him atm.
CooLskins, 536 wrote:Don, let me tell you this. I could refute every single argument that you have made. I could point to your "case" on bob and show how you never quoted him, and how you never brought. However, I do not have the time to do so. Tomorrow I will.
Bub has told me that he has some thoughts. Specifically about having deflecting or something along those lines.
xvart wrote:
CooLskins, 536 wrote:Don, let me tell you this. I could refute every single argument that you have made. I could point to your "case" on bob and show how you never quoted him, and how you never brought. However, I do not have the time to do so. Tomorrow I will.
Bub has told me that he has some thoughts. Specifically about having deflecting or something along those lines.
And this is a super scummy post by virtue of trying to get out from under suspicion before it builds any steam.
CooLskins wrote:I think we should lynch fitz today.
Humble Poirot wrote:don_johnson (2)- CooLskins,