don_johnson wrote:CooLskins wrote:
Now lets get on to don's shit posting:
ad hom
.
And your point is?
don wrote:coolskins wrote:So you were/are still an avid pusher of bob=scum even though you never bothered to make a case on him? And you being confused (apparently independent of his scumminess) by his play apparently warrants a vote. Sounds nice.
not sure what you mean here. i already explained my thoughts. i never made a case on bob other than agreeing with points xvart made,
and
pointing out that i found the parama/bob interaction wierd. when was i an "avid" pusher of bobscum? thats
misrep
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^ohh yeah you were after bob in d2/d3 for a long time. Your really thought you could have got him lynched. I wonder why you killed him at night though. And You said that your vote on bob was because it
[quote="donjohnson #493]This isnt fitting together at all.[/quote]
And just to say. In your big bob case thing. You unvoted bob and then voted for parama. This isn't fitting together. Don could be voting for town people on purpose.
[qutoe="don"]
skins wrote:What case on bob? Link me I really want to see this. I was more refering to the part above where he was wifom setup speculating. Also, read zod's posts. He wasn't doing nothing.
zod was ineffectively defending himself, and towards the end he just seemed to be lurking. i already referenced several posts xvart made. its funny how you quote my posts, but don't seem to be reading them. maybe you would prefer i make a quote wall out of posts 474, 480, 491? i thought if i gave you the post numbers then you could go and read the posts instead of flooding the thread with giant walls of repetitive text.
omission
.[/quote]
^So lets try another one of your flip flops. Post numbers 493, and 499. What changed in bob that you unvoted him there?
On point, So even though in post number 483,
Skins/parama/bob would not surprise me.
gain: parama stated bob was clear very early in game. Why? According to bob, parama has no night action, so he could not have investigated him. So why was parama confirming bob?
After this the only post that zodiark makes is the post to hammer himself. What changed? What cahnged between that half page that made you think zodiark was scum over your top two scum reads.
Also this:
is blatant defense of scum. wrote:also, regarding zod's "contradiction", i don't find anything wrong with changing one's mind. it happens all the time. if the posts were within a couple hours of each other with no posting in between(were they?) then it may be construed as scum backtrack, but i came out of the gate thinking blok was scum for his hammer but after rethinking it i changed my mind. so whatever. i think the zodiark case is a mountain out of a mole hill.
parama: i don't think there is a scum neighbor. xvart is posting pretty protown.
don wrote:skins wrote:don, again wrote:skins wrote:don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote parama
this seems like a safer way to start.
the bob parama connection is odd to say the least. imo, tracker is a role given to scum as often as it is a role given to town. the fact that parama seems to be going along with the claim is scummier than bob's play. parama claims to have picked up on the claim earlier. absolutely noone else did(except me, however, to me it read as though parama was claiming power and clearing bob. bob didn't mind, i even tossed this idea around in the neighbor qt and xvart was like "whatcu talkin bout?" it was very subtle. so if bob was clearing parama, why isn't parama the least bit suspicious now when bob is claiming watcher instead of cop? excuse me tracker. so we all know that tracker doesn't "clear" someone of scum alignment, yet bob is acting like his clear of parama is guaranteed. parama is going along with it without question. odd.
now bob claims to have trakced his biggest scumread last night whom he has also stated would not be the player on the scum team to be sent to perform the kill. of course, scum didn't know town had a tracker, right? this reads to me more like scum running fake claim than town being honest. details have not come out clean. thats the thing about fake claims, its hard to get everything to fit. the fact that this seems so jumbled it what makes me suspicious. bobs defense is, "well why would i protect parama?" well, if parama is your scum buddy and you are mafia tracker, then you have every incentive to. if parama is town, he should at least have been suspicious of you at some point. but he wasn't. in fact, he accepted your soft claim without question. maybe he even claims to have known which power role you were claiming, but common sense says, "you clear parama, parama has to assume you are cop, you claim tracker, parama should at least question you." but he doesn't. he just keeps going along with it. i don't know. something about this situation just stinks and bob is now saying "well keep me alive for a couple days, we probably don't have a cop." baiting out town power is not good form my friend.
anyhoo, i'm willing to start with parama to test the theory, in case bob is town. also, parama could be scum buddying town, so his lynch is a much better bet.
Bullshit "case" with nice vailed soft omgus you are catching on sorta thing. Also, not italics.
ok. so earlier you say "you didn't even post a case". now, you call it "bullshit"? how is it bullshit" what about this post is "bullshit"? imo, this post is a very coherent post which explains my suspicions in a clear and concise manner. i'm calling bob/parama out on their sketchy play and pointing out that bob's "we prolly don't have a cop" statement is seriously anti-town. so yeah. just quoting something and saying "bullshit" is poor posting. explain yourself. parama was not voting me and his suspicion of me has nothing to do with this post. "omgus" is you flinging shit against me hoping it will stick. i have already stated i think parama is town and i'll explain why a bit later. hint: its not because of his shit ass posting.
Keep in mind that when I compile these catch-up posts I read from the last place that I posted and then work forward. So yeah I did make a contradiction, but top earlier then bottom... Now to more meaty stuff in this section of your post...
Your case is bullshit because it never quotes any of the two (parama and bob) you are talking about. Without a quote we have no reference to what we are talking about, you could (and in some cases probably are) misrepresenting them at some point. We can't even be sure that they said the things that you say they are saying. It also doesn't help that the whole top paragraph is speculative/wifom which contributes little to nothing to your apparent bob suspicion (ohh, you mean the guy who flipped town tracker? Oh yeah him.).
oh. i see. you want me to quote the thread to point out the bob/parama connection? well. ok. i thought it was obvious, but since you can't wrasp your head around it, here are the posts:
YES! SHOW US WHERE PEOPLE SAID THAT! Now I can actually wiegh your reads of of mine. We can now put the whole you not building a case off of bob thing to rest and concentrate on you defending known scum pretty hard. As well you rapidly turning around when said scum was about to get lynched.
bob wrote:Parama - I think Coolskins and deselby are buddies. Do you see why? I'll explain but I want tonsee if it jumps out to anyome else like it did to me.
bob wrote:Parama's hrezs vote threw me off but I don't think he's scum.
He's not today's lynch
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bob wrote:Again,
Parama is not today's lynch
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bob wrote:There is a reason I seem like a buddy with Parama, btw. He is not today's lynch and neither am I.
parama wrote:SHHHH! I told you, I warned you about stares man! They're staring at us! Why did you let them in on our scumbuddy secret?
parama wrote:
don if I gave you any more hints it'd be anti-town posting. just accept that bob is town and move on with your life.
so yeah. i thought everyone noticed this. apparently not.
You could see a connection here. However, I don't think it is as bad as you think. But hay, it could have been worth a vote in d2.
[quote"don"]
skins wrote:
Where people are making scummy posts? I mean its only the most basic thing you could ever do? Also you are retroactively changing your opinion of something in the second (?) post that you quoted. And what you say is not always what you actually think. I can say that Parama is playing the best town game ever. Its what I said I think, but is it true? Hell no. That's kinda the point at looking at your posts to find your true intention/motivation/stance. And not quoting people leads to misrepresentation, in factual statements, and it shows a profound laziness (which shows you not caring about who gets lynched, unless that person happens to be zodiark or one of your other scum buds).
i don't get what you are saying here. i have been pointing out what i have found scummy. sometimes posts aren't scummy. sometimesd its the players voting pattern. sometimes its one simple move they make that seems like it has scum motivation. again: if you want quotes, you will need to be specific. then i can get you quotes. if you don't know what you're looking for, i can't help you. [/quote]
just more harping about how you can misrep people by not quoting posts. Again, this has been solved by the above post by you.
[qutoe="don"]
skins wrote:skins wrote:That's it. No more. So not only do you think that an obv townie (bob) is scum. But you also think that someone "associated with him" is scum over that townie. You absolutly never outlined why, and now we defend a flipped scum. Okay.
zod hadn't flipped yet. ands again, you seem to be misinterpreting my suspicions. i clearly stated why i felt parama was scummy over bob. i also clearly stated why i thought bob was scummy(even if i simply agreed with xvarts posting and didn't post my own thoughts as eloquently.)
Misunderstands point. Should I explain it to you? Lets.
It just so happens that your most powerful scum read (bob) was considered by the rest of the town to be very townie. He just happened to flip town. Your second most powerful scum read is totally based off of bob being scum (you will say otherwise, but it is). Then apparently one of your most powerful town read happened to get lynched (read: a majority of people thought he was scum). And you defended him. Understand now?[/quote]
bob was not "my most powerful scum read".
misrep
. my other scum read(parama) was not based off of bob being scum.
misrep
. zodiark was never "one of my most powerful town reads."
misrep
. see what you did there? you completely ignored the post you quoted and then made up shit to fit your case. please quote a post that explains the bob/parama connection where my parama scum read is based off of bobscum. hint: you can't find it. i speculated on the idea of them being a scumpair, but you are misrepping the suspicion.[/quote]
I think that other people will be able to judge from this post that you made.
don_johnson wrote:Skins/parama/bob would not surprise me.
gain: parama stated bob was clear very early in game. Why? According to bob, parama has no night action, so he could not have investigated him. So why was parama confirming bob?
And your very next post:
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote bobsnox
This isnt fitting together at all. I could see bob/parama bussing zodiark possibly, buy xvart makes good points. Bob has not been protown.
And you dfenitly thought that parama and bob were buddies. Yout htought that parama was scum by association with bobsnox. Just read some of the stuff above that you quoted, and this:
don_johnson wrote:unvote, vote parama
this seems like a safer way to start. the
bob parama connection is odd
to say the least. imo, tracker is a role given to scum as often as it is a role given to town. the fact that parama seems to be going along with the claim is scummier than bob's play
. parama claims to have picked up on the claim earlier.
[edit: in reference to bob] absolutely noone else did(except me, however, to me it read as though parama was claiming power and clearing bob.
bob didn't mind,
i even tossed this idea around in the neighbor qt and xvart was like "whatcu talkin bout?" it was very subtle. so if bob was clearing parama, w
hy isn't parama the least bit suspicious now when bob is claiming watcher instead of cop?
excuse me tracker.
so we all know that tracker doesn't "clear" someone of scum alignment, yet bob is acting like his clear of parama is guaranteed.
parama is going along with it without question.
odd.
Actually I think Bob is mentioned in that post more then parama, but what ever. And Now are you still willing to lynch parma?
skins wrote:
Ohh, so your rock hard null read and your rock hard scum read go out the window and then you start contemplating hammering. Even though multiple times you have said zodiark=town/null/notscum and bob¶ma are 100% fucking percent = scum.
Doesn't cut it. More don votes.
never had bob/parama at 100%. if you find a quote where i used the term 100%, then i will self vote.
misrep
. reads didn't go "out the window." they moved along a perfectly logical line of thought. going from thinking "zod might be town" to "zod is not standing up for himself
at all
and so might be scum," actually makes sense.
Come on. It is obvious that your two biggest scum reads were bob/parama. DO I have to quote ever post that you made about them? You were willing to lynch both of them weren't you. Almost every single one of your d3 posts are about bob and parama being scum together. Just look at your own iso. Don't tell me that you weren't convinced of them being
town
scum.
skins wrote:@don 541, why the unvote. explain.
the vote isn't doing anything. i have much more i want to discuss. i still have to respond to des' latest posting i think.
'fraid of a quick lynch?
don wrote:skins wrote:skins wrote:Okay Don, now you say that Parama is town because of the of the improbability of bobsnox tracking two different goons who didn't make the kill. That makes sense. However, yesterday you said that you thought parama was scum whether bobsnox was telling the truth or not. But now because bobsnox is telling the truth you believe Parama to be town. Do I get you right?
So that means that you lied.
If your case on Parama was totally based off of individual tells, then why did it change all of a sudden when bobsnox flipped town? And why is it that the only reason you give for Parama being town is totally based off of that fact?
Oh, and you were defending scum, whether he was flipped or not at that time is irrelavent because you knew who he was regardless.
-Bub
High five hydra buddy! I think you articulated what I was trying to say about don (especially in the bolded part) well.
not only is this not articulated well, but it is an entire misrep of my position, packed with the ommission of the effects of the zodiark flip. well done.
vote: coolskins
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I'll post about this too even though it is directed at bubers.
Actually it isn't. Why aren't you voting for parama now? He was clearly your second scum read. Don't tell me he wasn't. Also omgus for what its worth
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The epic hydra combination that never should have happened.