Open 322: C9++ [Game Over - Scum Win]

[Honest Abel]

SGRaaize

Since you say you are going to be commenting on everything soon (and I really believe it this time... nah), let's have a look at all your posts.

The first thing you did was vote for projectmatt. It was RVS, but given that you didn't specify a reason and it was followed shortly after by a "serious" vote on matt from Muffin, I have to ask if there was actually anything to the vote or not. Was there?

You follow this up by disappearing for almost all of Day 1, coming back twice only to avoid a prod.

Next you say you're going to post a big wall on your thoughts, but it's apparently a joke and you give a lot of town reads and scum read of DCJ and DonJosh. DCJ because he's posting fluff, which you say could apply to you, and DonJosh simply because you have "no doubts about it." For the same reason I was wary of projectmatt, this sticks out to me for sounding

too

certain. Add to that the "Die, scum" later on.

When Kcda makes the mistake saying there were definitely three scum and NS points it out, you say "Nice catch," but then seem to change your mind about it once DonJosh starts both questioning it and Kcd's attack on NS afterward, saying that it's "just a Town mistake." Why the change in heart? Note: you do also say you're still fine with lynching Kcd, which is weird. Looks like you wanted to show some disagreement with DonJosh to keep distance, while leaving the opportunity open just in case DonJosh were able to get a bandwagon going on Kcd.

The "Good job on lynching scum" comment seems off to me.

Yeah, I'm going to sit on this seat for a spell.

VOTE: SGRaaize

[GMan]

Vote Count 2.2

• Nobody Special (2): Kcdaspot, don_johnson
  
• Honest Abel (2): Amor, Darkcoffeejazz
  
• Darkcoffeejazz (1): Nobody Special
  
• SGRaaize (1): Honest Abel

Not voting: SGRaaize, bv310, projectmatt

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

• Honest Abel has revoked his replacement request.
  I'm allowing him to continue in the game. I haven't even sniffed any interest in replacing, so I believe this is the best option to keep the game moving forward. If you disagree with my decision by all means come talk to me privately once the game is over.
  
• projectmatt has decalrd V/LA
  
  
• Day 2 Deadline is Thursday August 25th, 1:30PM EST.

[Honest Abel]

@Mod: Are you looking to replace bv310? He hasn't posted in nine days, and only posted once.

[Kcdaspot]

What kind of fluff, holier-than-thou nonsense post is that?

Question for Kcd: why is DCJ town? I know you've said "look at his Day 1," but could you at least provide me a context in which to look at his posts? I don't quite agree with the town assessment for a couple reasons. I want to be able to see what you see so I can decide for myself.

I know i said this somewhere but:

scum don't point out their own scumminess. That asks for attention.

reading over... i'm kind of sad you decided to stay..

[SGRaaize]

I like your reads on me, Honest Abel, makes me think you're town purely because of your logic and your reasoning on me being scum, you're wrong, but its not for lack of trying.

[Kcdaspot]

well? what's good about his read on you?

defend him, why is he town?

[Honest Abel]

I know i said this somewhere but:

scum don't point out their own scumminess. That asks for attention.

Okay, you're right, I do remember you saying this earlier. Seems to go against my idea of DCJ as being a swollen ego to point out his own flaws, so I'll look back and find the post in question.

...Weeks later...

Okay, found. He wasn't pointing out his own scumminess. He was pointing out that he had no reason to be read as town. And as you put it, townies don't question town reads, do they?

The other weird thing is that you told DCJ that you know he's town after he only posted two times, and there wasn't much substantial going on there. You've been defending him the whole game to anyone who sniffs in his direction, immediately quashing any DCJ scumhunting, even begging for an NS bandwagon after their little spat. Kind of overboard. I could bet that you know something we don't. But I can't see a cop flaunting a town investigation at every possible juncture like that.

reading over... i'm kind of sad you decided to stay..

Why's that?

[Honest Abel]

Also, have you considered that his questioning of your town read on him and the two times he's tried to alienate you with somewhat derisive posts are due to the fact that you're basically molesting him with affection?

[GMan]

@Mod: Are you looking to replace bv310? He hasn't posted in nine days, and only posted once.

He has been prodded.

[Kcdaspot]

Also, have you considered that his questioning of your town read on him and the two times he's tried to alienate you with somewhat derisive posts are due to the fact that you're basically molesting him with affection?

abel... dont put you in the corner again.

do not question moonbeams. in time you will understand.

[Darkcoffeejazz]

I've seen you use that word repeatedly. What do you mean by "moonbeams"?

[Honest Abel]

You know I'm going to have to question that, right?

Let's start with what moonbeams means and why it's an indication that we can't talk about your weirdness.

[Kcdaspot]

shorthand reads evolved... my definition anyway.\

It's a type of logic that useally goes unquestioned especially when the player in question wiff the moonbeam logic looks town.

I saw a small towntell early (that i won't reveal for secret meta awesomesause sake) that become a huge towntell when he questioned his town read.

it's literally reading between the lines. if you can't do it yet someone who you have a town read on can, it's good idea to to look where he's looking. see if you can't get a glimpse of he sees. if you see SOMETHING along those lines the moonbeamer is prolly on the right track...

that's really the best i can explain it. you just have to find that sort of play elsewhere that is correct and deduce why it's correct.

[Kcdaspot]

tl;dr?

towntell logik 401

[Darkcoffeejazz]

Eh, it's odd but not impossible to understand, I suppose.
I rely more on my subconscious mind, tbh.

[Honest Abel]

I might have to read that post again a couple more times to get what you are saying, but thanks for answering my newb question this time.

[Kcdaspot]

Joined : January 05, 2010...

>newb

... i don't wanna wagon switch... MUST RESIST

[Kcdaspot]

srsly DCJ vote NS.

[Honest Abel]

Okay, so you're saying moonbeams is when someone who looks town to you expresses a town read of another player, and you're supposed to take that without questioning it? So you're assuming that everyone else thinks you look town? Or are you saying that DCJ looks town to you, so you trust his reads without questioning? I also did a google search of "moonbeams" on the mafiascum URL and read dozens of people using the term, but it generally seemed to have more to do with claiming than town reads. It all sounds like an interesting concept, but I really don't get it still, sorry. Maybe it's not that important.

I am a newb. This is my second game of mafia on this site if you don't count the one I dropped out of when I first joined over a year ago.

[Honest Abel]

If anyone else can explain to me why I shouldn't question Kcd's read of DCJ, please do so. I also reserve the right not to agree with it even if I begin to understand it. Otherwise, Kcd, I'm going to have to request again an explanation of why you are molesting DCJ by pairing bottomless town reads with strange affection and sheltering him from suspicion.

[Honest Abel]

P.S. I'm down for joining bandwagons on request, especially on NS. But I can't bring myself to do it when you've been acting outright strange and evasive about this thing.

[Kcdaspot]

If anyone else can explain to me why I shouldn't question Kcd's read of DCJ, please do so. I also reserve the right not to agree with it even if I begin to understand it. Otherwise, Kcd, I'm going to have to request again an explanation of why you are molesting DCJ by pairing bottomless town reads with strange affection and sheltering him from suspicion.

eeh scum cant see or fake moonbeams.

you posts have just been "i don't understand."

you can't lurk? nope cuz you are WAY too busy defending yourself with lengthy posts.

yeah... VOTE COUNT PLZ

PEDIT: if you don't get it know you never will.

you are sooo hanging this game.

[projectmatt]

I'm going to bed in about 30 minutes. Not V\LA yet. :3

HEY, KDCA, should I put a vote on Nobody Special before I leave? I'm not fully convinced yet. I want to give him time to "re-group" before I call him scum, but dammit, it's tempting to stop waiting and give in to my gut.

[Kcdaspot]

I'm going to bed in about 30 minutes. Not V\LA yet. :3

HEY, KDCA, should I put a vote on Nobody Special before I leave? I'm not fully convinced yet. I want to give him time to "re-group" before I call him scum, but dammit, it's tempting to stop waiting and give in to my gut.

....

vote NS. Now.

This was not and is not a drill.

[Honest Abel]

Kcd, my posts conversing with

you

have been "I don't understand" because you haven't mastered the art of the fucking comma. Maybe the reason you are reluctant to explain anything is because when you try, it turns out like #487. The way you are being so condescending and evasive is just fucking nonsense. I do not like that I am being misled and, in fact, mistreated by people I have town reads on. This is not a fun game nor a learning experience. This is a blood pressurizer.

Kcd, why don't you discuss NS or SGR with me? You are talking to me like I don't belong in this game because I'm inexperienced. I do not appreciate being talked down to.

Sorry for the attitude here, but I'm getting fed up again.