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A bit from our QT, paraphrased:
"Wick's prob-scum. Redundant questions, passive attitude towards miller claim".
Tl;dr, it's artificial.
Essentially,
And we elaborate on this in our QT.
Additionally, it is once more artificial in its construction, and once more, it has a lot of words which leave open a way to get out, to backtrack if necessary. This subtle paranoia is a level of overcautiousness only found in scum.
There's additionally no town mindset--Wicked's logic seems like it was distinctly formed with a scum view on the game. He's trying to look for weaknesses, not look for scumminess.
It's weak 'scumhunting', which looks like it is distinctly from a scum mindset, which looks like it'd take thirty seconds to throw together as scum because it's the first scum impulse.
This REEKS of classic scum bussing. The point quoted was MORE than voteworthy, compared to his incredibly weak point against ConfidAnon.
As pointed out in our QT, it smells of scum-scum interactions, between Yonzy and Wicked. (It's no coincidence that immediately after this exchanged, we posted about Wicked literally handing us one of his scumbuddies.)
This is also fairly fluff. It is artificially constructed, carefully laid out. It has a scum intention behind it (pursuing yet another avenue). More than that, it gave off a slight scum-coaching-town vibe. Mastin was quite vocal about this in the QT, and how it solidified el simo as town.
This is a classic scumbuddy response. In order, "Sorry I failed you so bad." "What did I do wrong?" And then addressing Wicked again, on a random point, which he had no reason to do as town.
2: poor justification of his reasons. He feels the need to point out that his vote is serious, he feels the need to justify not having switched, he feels the need to justify still being on the dead wagon. Speaking of which...
3: Admitting to staying on an overall stale wagon.
One of the best ways to describe this tone is to compare it to a similar tone from scum: the "I CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE BEEN CAUGHT FOR ALL OF THESE *BEEP* REASONS!"
The relation here being that the scum see a significant need for reasons. The scum need to understand the reasoning of a pro-town player, because it's in their best interest to avoid getting caught. The scum want to avoid the things which players show suspicion of. They want to manipulate the town. They have a specific purpose, a specific need, for the reasons to be explained.
The town acts more curiously, more intrigued by the reads of another. They don't necessarily want the information--they're just naturally inquisitive.
Additionally, Wicked was also asking KKN about Yonzy, which is a slight Yonzy/Vifam defense.
Wicked was asking Mastin, specifically. Not us, the hydra Horrifying Hero. Not Lat. He asked, specifically, Mastin to explain himself. He should KNOW better than to ask it of Mastin--he's familiar with the easily-self-destructing Mastin and a question like that is trying to provoke Mastin.
Additionally, this was also one of Lat's strongest scum-reads on Wicked, because Lat thought, paraphrased, "town wouldn't be this passive aggressive. Town response would be, 'wait, hold on, why do you think I'm scum'. Town would be naturally suspicious, but Wicked just accepts it. He waited until it was acceptable to attack us."
Which holds mostly true. Wicked basically was saying he thinks (no, make that knows) we're town and wanted to get rid of us.
It is very carefully constructed in the way most meant to provoke a reaction, a reaction which Wicked can twisted and bend to his will. That kind of artificial construction can only come from scum.
Contrast with Lobster's version, soon after.
Jumping back a little,
Wicked's essentially been consistently searching the town for the ways to best pull their strings, the ways best to manipulate the situation to his advantage, the ways to most stay out of sight while pushing a scum agenda.
Lobster pointed this out, essentially, but was probably convinced by Wicked's "Oh, crud, they caught on to it" response of
It's also blatant OMGUS. (Scum mind-set.)
Additionally, it is artificially constructed--it has a scum tone in it: there's a lot of back door wording, leaving a way out (do we need to point out these words every single time?). It also has a scum Motive, declaring a scum intent: he once more wants to force us to make the move, to put the pressure on us rather than him.
When we said after we unclaimed that Wicked was caught scum, we really did mean that Wicked was, indeed, caught scum who was living breathing scum in every post.
Heck, in this post alone, we've got scumtells. For starters, there's the artificial construction of the post. In addition to that, there's a scum tone in Wicked's taunt. Said taunt is a deliberate scum intention, because it shows a scum motive--trying to provoke a response from us.
As mentioned previously, Wicked is well aware that one of the players in this Hydra is Mastin, and a player who knows Mastin from 2009 provoking Mastin is one of Mastin's greatest scumtells, because back then, Mastin was easily caught in that type of trap.
It also displays a distinctive scum mind-set. What town player wants to provoke another town player?
He also has that over-apologetic approach to Tarsonis. It gives off the distinct feeling of additionally not being so much a case as "scum-coaching-town". It's also a very weak case against Tarsonis. It additionally is extremely artificial, constructed once more in a strategic fashion.
Furthermore, he shows a scum tone in these posts. He displays a scum intention by going after a weak suspect, and a scum motive by wording things carefully--particularly in his last paragraph. It leaves a lot of back doors, to pedal out of if necessary.
It's also an extremely scum mind-set, by trying to single out her among many others, disregarding others who had contributed equally as little--Yonzy, for instance, had no suspects and did no scumhunting, yet got no more than a single abandoned FoS.
On a side-note,
It's like the scum have a constant rear view mirror and have their hands on the gear, ready to shift into reverse without so much as a moment's hesitation.
We got so sick of how scummy this post was (post 162, on page seven) that we decided to skip it for later, as it was just that bad for us. We never came back, due to time restraints, but it is a rather horrible post.
There's also one scum in the (2) voters, which can only be Wicked. This clears Lobster (obviously), Hez (obv-town anyway), and ConfidAnon. (Less obvious, but still present.)
Vifam confirmed that Vifam's scum with Wicked due to this.
Town response to being told who to vote: blindly following and voting the first name called out. (I called out Wicked.)
Scum response to being told to vote someone who is town: voting the person who is town.
Scum response to being told to vote for scumbuddy:
To question the logic behind the choice. Which Vifam just did. It's one of the strongest scumtells applicable to this situation. Vifam essentially trapped himself with one of his first posts, without realizing the damage he was doing.
To paraphrase what went on, Vifam: "Hi. Tell me who to vote." "Wicked." "On second thought, I take it back--not voting."
Additionally, it shows lack of initiative and willingness to sheep a case, no matter how weak it might be, and not put any original thought into Vifam's suspicion of Hez. This accusation is augmented by the next post,
His attempt to defuse the situation reads as instead trying to actually subtly encourage it. Like trying to fight a Forest Fire by dumping gasoline on it--it might initially appear to be dousing the flames and calming things down, but it's actually fueling the flames further.
It has an overall scum tone to it, in the way it was worded came from a scum mind-set encouraging the fighting.
Scum motive, too, in that prodding Bob like this simultaneously tests grounds for an HH mislynch and a Bob mislynch, to see if either can get support. (Which itself is a scumslip revealing Bob to be town.)
His name is included. Vifam refuses to state WHO the scum are in there, instead referring to the general, "there has to be scum in there". Yet Vifam refuses to state why.
(LINK ABOVE INTENTIONALLY BROKEN DUE TO QUICKTOPIC'S ANNOYING FOUR-LINK LIMIT; THIS WILL NEED FIXING.)
And I think I know why. His buddy is in there. He could safely say, "excluding me", and focus on the other four--but he doesn't, because he knows it'll cast more suspicion onto Rainbowdash. Instead of focusing on these four, his vote's outside the wagon, on Hez.
Additionally, the bob part contains back door wording, in that Rainbow is leaving open a backtrack on bob being a voice of reason to use if a chance to take advantage of bob presents itself (doubling as a scum intention).
This is where we stopped, sorry, due to time constraints. Our apologies for taking so long and only covering half of the game. But we do have more to add than this.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2332047
(ALSO BROKEN DUE TO QUICKTOPIC'S ANNOYING FOUR LINK LIMIT) This is a link to a game Lat provided, where a town IC, netopolis, used the RQS to nail all the scum and get decently-founded town reads on EVERY town player, simply through the use of analyzing how each player answered the rqs questions.
We bring this up, because you can compare and contrast Netopolis's use of productive RQS (Which is apparently pro-town), with Wicked's use of RQS which was phony and did little to nothing to help the game. It's a good comparison of what a productive townie would do versus scum pretending to be productive.
Wicked's also scum for not having claimed--You're at L-1. Why the heck wouldn't you claim as town?
As scum, there's clear motivation--talk your way out of a lynch, and you can save claiming for later. You don't have to lock a claim in.
As town, there's no motivation.
Miscellaneous Extras:
These are things which'd be worked into the case at the appropriate spots if we had more time. Since we don't, they're here at the end.
(On Wicked's 45) Simo: I'M A BIG SCARY DRAGON. RAAAAAAAH! (I AM SO ANGRY AT BEING TOWN EVERY GAME.)
Real Simo: (I've been town every game on this account, it's getting fustrating.)
Wicked: WHAT? THERES NO IMPLICATION? BLAHG!
Real Wicked: (I don't see how saying he's been town in all of his other games is meant to imply he's town this game.)
-Basically, Simo says he's been town in every game on that account IS implying he's town, because this game is a part of all the games as a whole and is on the account mentioned.
-The Joke comment is bull shit. Some of us have a sense of humor.
-How would CA's vote feel off? When he was just trying to get the game started?
(On Wicked's 47) This is blatantly putting words into Yank's freaked Yanky mouth.
(On Wicked's 49) Uh no Wicked, no it doesn't. His question was a separate entity.
(On Wicked's 60)
-This is where the leap of logic is: Wicked is assuming Yank is a shady Disney villain following CA's every step.
But instead. Yank's a beautiful princess who saw a rabbit in distress (Simo), who was inflicted by a severe case of confusion. Then Yank, leaned forward and answered Simo's question.
CA is actually irrelevant to the picture.
-THIS IS A SCUM CLAIM. "...and my suspicion of you has strengthened."
Town doesn't post like this. You don't talk WITH your suspects, unless you WANT them to convince you they're town.
Wicked isn't posting about Yank per say, in words he is, but his intention is different. He's creating a gradual logical time line for his suspicions and thoughts to flow so he appears consistent and pro-town.
(On Wicked's 80) "What originally made you think that the RVS was over?"
Wicked keeps pushing the same point. Yank did an okay job explaining it.
(On Wicked's 115) Justifying your vote in this manner is scummy. We don't know how to articulate it this correctly. He fails to explain the Tars vote. Why? 'Cuz, he wanted momentum to be brought up on tars instead.
If he was a townie, well, Lat actually has a link to what a townie would do; we'll post it later.
(On Wicked's 130) Mastin: The only way to describe it other than that is to quote every post Wicked's done and explain exactly why he's scum. And I do mean it--I can quote every single post he's done and [point out all the scumminess within.] He has literally zero town posts this game."
"I don't believe that you are capable of doing this. Try and prove me wrong."
The ultimate scumclaim, challenging us. He denies our ability, not the truth that he isn't scum. Town wants truth. Scum want logic debates.
"Wick's prob-scum. Redundant questions, passive attitude towards miller claim".
These are redundant questions that are placed to simulate town intentions. We know they're merely there for the sake of talking because he never brought up the information gained from the questions, thus they were there for the sake of appearances.Wicked wrote:@Everyone-
1. Do you prefer to be mafia or town?
2. How do you plan to catch the scum?
Tl;dr, it's artificial.
1: This is an incident of fluff, meant to give off the appearance of scumhunting, showing an overall scum Mindset. 2: For starters, death millers are banned from normal games--the mention of them shows a scum intention. 3: And finally, it's also extremely artificial. 4: In summary, There's little to no town Motive present.Wicked wrote:Horrifying Hero, are you just a normal miller or a death miller?
Pushes the RQS further, when Lat had meant to end it. Additionally, it is constructed in an artificial way, displaying a distinct scum mind-set, because the questions Wicked posed held no actual weight.Also, can you answer my questions, please?
Essentially,
Lat spoke very strongly in the QT about how angry he was everyone was wasting time by answering the pointless useless RQs given.Paraphrased Quicktopic wrote:Wick is scum for trying to keep us in the RVS. Rather anti-town.
This is a further example of carefully constructed language, giving off an extremely artificial feel. This is not a natural wording. You will observe by now that this is a consistent pattern in Wicked's posts, and this artificial construction is something we've found more likely to come from scum. It also hints at inside knowledge (as if Wicked knows the result of our claim already) and therefore shows that scum mind-set. It also tries to get discussion off of a viable discussion avenue.Wicked wrote:I doubt that a discussion about your claim would get us out of RVS.
This reeks of scum trying to become a pack leader, trying to take control of the town. It has a scum motive, a scum intent, a scum mind-set, and is once more, artificial in its construction.Twice I've seen a player claim miller and both times I think everyone agreed to just forget about the miller claim and judge that player's alignment based on their play.
And we elaborate on this in our QT.
QT, Paraphrased wrote:We learned nothing about anyone other than Wicked, because Wicked subtly planted the idea of completely ignoring it in the heads of others. Thereby reducing the information we could have gained from it.
Tries to get off of the issue, quickly. Contains artificial construction: "really", "necessary", "believe", "should", "as normal" are all key phrases which tell us that Wicked is using carefully selected words to leave a window of escape--a way out of his current path, leaving a door open to backtrack through if necessary.Wicked wrote:I don't really think a discussion is necessary and I believe that we should just continue the game as normal.
This also reeks of inside knowledge. It seems Wicked knows we're town and doubts the claim. (Helpful hint--this means that the game has no godfather and therefore that any investigative role's results can be trusted 100%.)If you are actually a miller, then I believe it was best for you to claim at this point rather than when the cop claims to have a guilty on you.
Additionally, it is once more artificial in its construction, and once more, it has a lot of words which leave open a way to get out, to backtrack if necessary. This subtle paranoia is a level of overcautiousness only found in scum.
Continues to push meaningless questions, stalling the game. This also is a serious scum Tone--"serious question" in parenthesis feels the need to emphasize that it's a (weak, VERY weak!) attempt at scumhunting (scum motive--trying to appear more town than he really was). Which comes out to absolutely nothing. (Scum mind-set--the question ended up being pointless.)@HezLucky-
1. I don't want any pie.
2. You've lost your scum LAZZZZZZZZER. Now how do you catch the scum? (serious question)
This is the first incident of a consistent scum pattern, but far from the last. Asking for the reasons is fine--Wicked just did it in a Scum Tone. It is not the town-way to ask for why someone is suspicious of you (scum mind-set). This is fishing, prodding us in order to try and convince us to go elsewhere. You'll get a better idea for this later.Wicked wrote:Explain.
Guess what we happen to think Yonzy is?Yonzy wrote:Mafia, more challenging I guess.
Scum being over-apologetic.Wicked wrote:It wasn't meant to be offensive.
An attempt to look like he's scumhunting, when he really does none--it's a prod into the mind of a pro-town player, to try and extract information about that interaction (scum intention). The subtle scum Tone present here gives away that Wicked is thinking from the perspective of scum--one of the ways to tell the difference is that Wicked includes a word he has no reason to include other than trying to get on one's good side: "Thanks."Can you elaborate/explain this please? Thanks.
This is as blatant as scum interactions can get. It gives Yonzy a hint, while leaving open the option of bussing if need be. It also is very specific, towards a seemingly insignificant player, which is rather suspicious--why was Yonzy receiving special treatment compared to others?Wicked wrote:Yonzy, why no random vote?
Going after an easy mislynch. (Strong scum motive present.)I'm going to Unvote. Vote: ConfidAnon
Artificial wording once more, and leaving that back gate open if necessary for an emergency backtrack. It's quite weak itself, adding a bit of hypocrisy to it.Firstly, the point he uses against el simo seems really weak/invalid.
More subtle back-gate wording, an escape route in place should he need to back away from the CA suspicion.I don't see how saying he's been town in all of his other games is meant to imply he's town this game.
This is hypocritical--see how much Wicked has been adding phrases not needed? See how many back doors Wicked has in place if he needs an emergency pedal? It's pure scum Tone, plain and simple.Secondly, there's no reason for him to add the phrase "It's not a lynch-worthy case at this point, but better than an RV." unless he's scum giving himself room to backpedal.
There's additionally no town mindset--Wicked's logic seems like it was distinctly formed with a scum view on the game. He's trying to look for weaknesses, not look for scumminess.
Scum motive: he's only FoS'ing Yank despite the fact that this was stronger than his ConfidAnon vote. His "suspicious" was unnecessary and his usage of it there only comes from a scum outlook on the game--it's artificially constructed; pure scum tone. Additionally, Yank is another easy target to pursue.FoS: YankCane So do you agree with ConfidAnon's point? Because you answered ConfidAnon's question for him about his point against el simo, but you haven't exactly said whether or not you agree with the point. It looks like IIoA. Suspicious.
It's weak 'scumhunting', which looks like it is distinctly from a scum mindset, which looks like it'd take thirty seconds to throw together as scum because it's the first scum impulse.
Weak scumhunting which is fencesitting, because he refuses to take a stronger stance on Yank. Artificial construction with his careful wording choices, and a scum outlook on the game. His stance on Yank is prodding into another option, another possible voting avenue, rather than locking into his ConfidAnon suspicion.It still doesn't make sense. You either agree with ConfidAnon's point or you don't. If you didn't agree with it, then your post 37 seems out of place.
Scum posting what's essentially junk, trying to pass it off as legitimate scumhunting. It's also further going after yet ANOTHER easy target. It's pure scum motive, working under a scum mind-set, and declaring a scummy intention.Wicked wrote:Can this point be used against avasthearties who also answered my questions seriously?
As pointed out, this was quite suspicious. Yonzy did an RV to attempt to blend in. It is one of the strongest Wicked/Yonzy connections, too.Yonzy wrote:I didnt know RVS stage was still on lol
Vote: Kid Know Nothing
Additionally, this looks like Yonzy is trying to get his scumbuddy off of ConfidAnon, through a weak defense of CA.Imo it seemed liek a legit reason to vote El simo.. I would've done the same thing, and even if it wasn't, he had reason for his suspicion.. so there's really no need to vote him.
This REEKS of classic scum bussing. The point quoted was MORE than voteworthy, compared to his incredibly weak point against ConfidAnon.
As pointed out in our QT, it smells of scum-scum interactions, between Yonzy and Wicked. (It's no coincidence that immediately after this exchanged, we posted about Wicked literally handing us one of his scumbuddies.)
This is also fairly fluff. It is artificially constructed, carefully laid out. It has a scum intention behind it (pursuing yet another avenue). More than that, it gave off a slight scum-coaching-town vibe. Mastin was quite vocal about this in the QT, and how it solidified el simo as town.
Exact words leaving a back door open show artificial construction--"has strengthened", "that makes no sense if", things like that. His case against Yank is stronger than his case against ConfidAnon by this point, but he fails to put his vote where his mouth is, showing a scum motive. Do note however, that we say "is stronger than his ConfidAnon case". Not at all that it is strong. It's actually incredibly weak, as all the back door wording shows. His (scum) tone gives off the impression that he doesn't really believe anything he's saying.Wicked wrote:...and my suspicion of you has strengthened. You didn't agree with ConfidAnon's suspicion of el simo, but still made a post adding on to or explaining ConfidAnon's point. That makes no sense if you're town.
This is a classic scumbuddy response. In order, "Sorry I failed you so bad." "What did I do wrong?" And then addressing Wicked again, on a random point, which he had no reason to do as town.
More than that, this is the second time Yonzy has defended a player from Wicked's attacks, in a way which screams "weak (and subtle) distancing".Yonzy wrote:He could have made the point to pressure him more, maybe get more answers.
This is a far more blatant, "what did I do wrong?!?".Yonzy wrote:sooo nobody is telling me what I did
This furthers that, by essentially looking to improve his play. Additionally, this is a dead-ringer for Wicked asking, "explain" in its purpose--scum prodding town, essentially. As bob pointed out, Yonzy was overall far more concerned with self-defense rather than scumhunting.I posted what I thinkkk why/how am I giving scumvibes?
Defending Hez. In this situation, it comes from a scum mind-set, with a pure scum motive and brilliant scum intention. It deprives Hez of answering, while simultaneously getting Yank all riled up on Hez, getting Yank to further attack Hez. It also weakly attacks Yank back, something Wicked doesn't follow through on, but leaves open. (Sound familiar? It should--this is becoming a signature Wicked move: leaving open doors that a pro-town player would close.)Wicked wrote:Firstly, Hez only said that one of my points wasn't a fair scumtell. He didn't call the whole case unfair.
Exact wording, for the back door. "while" "don't agree/support", "honestly believe", "until". Essentially, Scum Tone, Artificially constructed. Also an attempt to pass something off as legitimate scumhunting, when it really is a load of junk. (Scum motive.)Secondly, while I don't agree/support this point, if you honestly believe in it, why didn't you bring it up earlier? And if you found it voteworthy, why didn't you vote him until now?
This is about as blatant as Scum-Coaching-Scum can get. It leaves the door open to Yonzy, but at the same time, paints him in a more positive light than his original interaction implied.@Yonzy - What originally made you think that the RVS was over? The facepalm was because you didn't random vote in the RVS stage and when the game got serious you did random vote. Is there anybody you suspect at this stage of the game? Why?
1: Scum tone. Seriously bad scum tone. "again,Read the thread again, please. My vote on ConfidAnon is serious. Not random. And even if you had acted more suspicious than him I wouldn't unvote until ConfidAnon had responded to the vote and defended himself.
please
", "serious. Not random.
", "even if", "acted", "more suspicious". All of these words (and in the case of the bolded, the particular ways of emphasizing them--please at the end of the sentence rather than the beginning, a period rather than a comma for the emphasis), combined, are carefully constructed.2: poor justification of his reasons. He feels the need to point out that his vote is serious, he feels the need to justify not having switched, he feels the need to justify still being on the dead wagon. Speaking of which...
3: Admitting to staying on an overall stale wagon.
Looks like scum defending buddy....because, IIRC, Dizzy hasn't even made a post outside of the confirmation stage.
Again, this is exactly the same scum way of asking that he did earlier, and Yonzy also displayed. It has a scum Motive behind it in the need for elaboration ("all the better to manipulate you with, my dear"), has a particular scum mind-set displayed in the Tone, unique to scum players.Care to actually explain your reads?
One of the best ways to describe this tone is to compare it to a similar tone from scum: the "I CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE BEEN CAUGHT FOR ALL OF THESE *BEEP* REASONS!"
The relation here being that the scum see a significant need for reasons. The scum need to understand the reasoning of a pro-town player, because it's in their best interest to avoid getting caught. The scum want to avoid the things which players show suspicion of. They want to manipulate the town. They have a specific purpose, a specific need, for the reasons to be explained.
The town acts more curiously, more intrigued by the reads of another. They don't necessarily want the information--they're just naturally inquisitive.
Additionally, Wicked was also asking KKN about Yonzy, which is a slight Yonzy/Vifam defense.
Though he can't explain it logically (gut), Mastin believes this to be Pure scum tone.That might be useful.
There is no greater scumtell than a player who is familiar with the old '09-style Mastin than asking for Mastin to explain himself.Mastin, if you are so certain that I'm scum, why not try to convince others to vote for me or explain why you are voting me?
Wicked was asking Mastin, specifically. Not us, the hydra Horrifying Hero. Not Lat. He asked, specifically, Mastin to explain himself. He should KNOW better than to ask it of Mastin--he's familiar with the easily-self-destructing Mastin and a question like that is trying to provoke Mastin.
Additionally, this was also one of Lat's strongest scum-reads on Wicked, because Lat thought, paraphrased, "town wouldn't be this passive aggressive. Town response would be, 'wait, hold on, why do you think I'm scum'. Town would be naturally suspicious, but Wicked just accepts it. He waited until it was acceptable to attack us."
Which holds mostly true. Wicked basically was saying he thinks (no, make that knows) we're town and wanted to get rid of us.
It is very carefully constructed in the way most meant to provoke a reaction, a reaction which Wicked can twisted and bend to his will. That kind of artificial construction can only come from scum.
Contrast with Lobster's version, soon after.
This was done naturally, from a town mind-set and no manipulation was involved. It was a pure thought, unfiltered, undistorted, uncensored, direct from Lobster's mind. Wicked's wasn't, as clearly demonstrated above.Lobster wrote:can you explain this?
This comes off as scum defending town, while weakly attacking town. (Strong scum motive, in that it furthers an attack on town and creates an intentional red herring with a pro-town player.) It's also artificially constructed and gives very little actual content.Wicked wrote:If you were a townie in his position, how would you have phrased his question?
Pure scum Intention, pure scum Motive. Wicked leaves open a huge door, and subtly traps ConfidAnon into being forced on the offensive-defense, by forcing ConfidAnon to make the first move, rather than taking the initiative. This permits Wicked to compile evidence more easily against ConfidAnon and better attack him as a mislynch.Wicked wrote:Before I elaborate on and defend my point against you, can you please explain what the purpose of your vote for el simo was, originally?
This displays a scum tone--it is carefully constructed and rather artificial ("never said", "actually think", "pretty well", "can't think", "better way", etc.), it contains some blatant buddying to Lobster, and shows a scum intention, once more by furthering a weak offense and buddying to town.I never said that joking was a scumtell. Did you actually think I was saying that? LobsterCatapult explained this point pretty well and I can't think of a better way to elaborate on it, so I'll just quote it for you since you ignored it anyway:
When you combine these lead two wagons, it comes to being L-1. You expect 1-2 scum to be present. Naturally, it should be one per wagon, and I've bolded the obvious choices which stand out from each of them.Some VCA wrote:Kid Know Nothing - 3 (YankCane151,Yonzy, avasthearties)
ConfidAnon - 3 (Wickedestjr, LobsterCatapult, hezlucky)
Scum Tone. It's artificially constructed. More than that, Wicked has left a back door to pedal through. ("not a fan".) It also has scum Motive, in that avasthearties is an easy mislynch.Wicked wrote:I'm not a fan of avasthearties play so far.
This displays some of the worst back dooring there can be. "might be a little bit confused"? You either are or aren't confused; there's no "might" in it. "correct me", "if I'm correct", "might" and "little". It's is artificially constructed, has a scum tone to it. More than that, it is pursuing a very weak suspect, leaving open another door.Correct me if I'm wrong. You asked HezLucky the question, then, before HezLucky had responded, I asked you who you suspect. You voted HezLucky and explained your point before HezLucky answered your question. If I'm correct, why did you wait until after I asked about your suspicions before you voted? I might be a little bit confused.
"if", "that would", "they believe". More leaving room for a back door.If you're right, then that would explain why they believe Yonzy is my scumbuddy
Once more, this defense of Dizzy reads as blatant defense of his buddy.It isn't irrelevant. I questioned Yonzy because he made a post in the RVS that didn't have a random vote. Dizzy never made any posts in the RVS so if I were to question him I would just be asking him why he hasn't been posting. And for all I know, Dizzy would have cast a random vote if he had made a post outside of the RVS.
Artificial construction, scum intention via pursuing another possible direction--again, Wicked's leaving open a ton of Doors. Wicked's made pretty much no calls of a player town, and pretty much no hints of it other than possibly Hez. He's essentially been calling everyone a suspect, leaving open any mislynch he were to choose. Speaking of which...Whose ISO did you read instead?
He goes for yet another easy wagon. (Inside tarsonis's sig she even SAYS she's a VI!) Can't get more scum in your intention than this.Wicked wrote:Unvote. Vote: tarsonisocelot.
Jumping back a little,
This is an artificial scum tone. "So", "do", "and why", "consider", etc. Additionally, it shows scum intention, by prodding KKN. More than that, it shows scum motive, in this case, to defend Yonzy. It contains pretty much no legitimate scumhunting. Put bluntly, it has that distinctive scum mind-set.So do you suspect Yonzy and why? Also, what do you consider an overreaction and what does a player overreacting to your vote say about that player's alignment?
And suddenly, a reversal of BOTH his main suspects, out of seemingly nowhere. It's a pure scum motive and mind-set, revealing he knows both Yank and CA are town. It's a scum intention, in that he's intentionally trying to get below their radars because they're both becoming somewhat suspicious of him. It's also artificially constructed--it has a lot of backpedalling room, should the need arise. "like", "no longer", "at this point", etc.I like both YankCane151 and ConfidAnon's reaction to my suspicions of them. Also, I'm no longer interested in arguing with them at this point (I'm aware that I seem to be beating a dead horse and if I continued questioning them I don't think it would get us anywhere).
Pure scum motive, prodding around to see if he'll have support. I'm willing to bet Wicked didn't have a case on Tarsonis before this, and was looking to see if there might be some interest.Wicked wrote:So what do you guys think about tarsonisocelot?
Wicked's essentially been consistently searching the town for the ways to best pull their strings, the ways best to manipulate the situation to his advantage, the ways to most stay out of sight while pushing a scum agenda.
Lobster pointed this out, essentially, but was probably convinced by Wicked's "Oh, crud, they caught on to it" response of
Which is itself a horrendously bad excuse, because it could also mean he was trying to get others' to give THEIR reasons so he could parrot THEM. It's also artificially constructed, but despite his best efforts, he let through a slight tint of scum panicking in there, that Lobster was catching on.I want to see who agreed with me and could explain why without parroting my reasoning.
This is once more leaving many back doors to pedal through. It's artificially constructed, and gives off a scum tone. It also is a very weak explanation of his actions.He voted KKN in post 76 just because he didn't give a reason for his Yonzy vote. Not really a strong point and it feels like he was going after an easy target at that point.
This is blatant bandwagonning. It also contains a scum tone, and is carefully constructed. ("y'know", "really like" "even better", etc.) It gives off the paranoid feeling, that Wicked feels he needs to explain himself well to justify the change.Wicked wrote:Y'know what. I really like the HH bandwagon- even better than my tarsonisocelot vote. Unvote. Vote: Horrifying Hero
It's also blatant OMGUS. (Scum mind-set.)
This is once more a careful artificial construction, scum tone written all over it--"stated", "explained", "effort", "convince", "follow", etc. More than that, the game had just begun by that point, one head was V/LA, and the other head was busy elsewhere. Furthermore, by saying this, he is hoping to weaken the support we would otherwise have gained (scum motive).-They've stated two suspicions but haven't explained either of them and haven't made any effort to convince others to follow their vote for me.
Related to the above, he failed to note (flat-out ignoring, in fact) the detail that we were both preoccupied with other affairs. Additionally, it contains back doors. "a lot", "recently", "especially", "considering", "pretty" "the day".-They haven't posted a lot recently. This is especially strange considering they were pretty active the day the game started.
Scum inside knowledge--Wicked gave off the impression he knew our claim was false, a deduction he'd only make with a Scum Mind-set and the informed minority's bonus intel on what the setup is (roughly) like.-They are a miller. That, itself, isn't suspicious, but a miller's allignment can't be determined via cop investigation. So we determine their allignment based solely on their play during the day. Horrifying Hero, however, is giving us hardly anything to work with. They're playing with their cards too close to their chest. That isn't the way that a miller should be playing this game.
Additionally, it is artificially constructed--it has a scum tone in it: there's a lot of back door wording, leaving a way out (do we need to point out these words every single time?). It also has a scum Motive, declaring a scum intent: he once more wants to force us to make the move, to put the pressure on us rather than him.
Again, this is carefully constructed. Wicked is prodding the town to see what they'll respond to, is looking for the strings to manipulate things. He's leaving open any number of doors for tarsonis, and wants feedback before he makes a conclusion. Scum intention, artificial posting, leaving too many doors open.I still suspect tarsonisocelot, but I'm not explaining why until 2-3 more players post in the thread.
When we said after we unclaimed that Wicked was caught scum, we really did mean that Wicked was, indeed, caught scum who was living breathing scum in every post.
One scum on all the main wagons. That is, one scum on KKN (Yonzy), one scum on us (Wicked), and one scum in all of the (1) wagons combined, including "not voting". (Dizzle.)More VCA wrote:Kid Know Nothing - 5 (YankCane151, Yonzy, avasthearties, bobsnox, el simo)
Horrifying Hero - 3 (Lobster Catapult, ConfidAnon, Wickedestjr)
Wickedestjr - 1 (Horrifying Hero)
el simo - 1 (tarsonisocelot)
avasthearties - 1 (Kid Know Nothing)
ConfidAnon - 1 (hezlucky)
Not voting: Dizzle.
Scum tone--It's artificially constructed. "then", "how", "are", "supposed", "determine", everything in there carefully selected to maximize the impact. It shows a distinct scum motive as well. He wants us to put our cards down, immediately, so that he can counter them and take control.Wicked wrote:Then how are we supposed to determine your allignment?
This is once more scum tone, only stronger. ("please", mainly) It also displays a scum motive--refer to him wanting control.Answer the question, please.
Strong, Stronger, Strongest. Scum tone. It again shows a scum motive, in that he's prodding for the sort of information he can manipulate as scum to get the game best under his control.And how did your fakeclaim tell you all that?
Scum tone, though not as strong as the previous incidents of it--artificially constructed. Additionally, Wicked is using meta to defend himself. (Meta can be manipulated.)You might be interested in taking a look at my previous games.
So, have we missed any posts? We're pretty sure we've delivered on the "bleeding scum in every single post" part of our claim for you being scum.Wicked wrote:I don't believe that you are capable of doing this. Try and prove me wrong.
Heck, in this post alone, we've got scumtells. For starters, there's the artificial construction of the post. In addition to that, there's a scum tone in Wicked's taunt. Said taunt is a deliberate scum intention, because it shows a scum motive--trying to provoke a response from us.
As mentioned previously, Wicked is well aware that one of the players in this Hydra is Mastin, and a player who knows Mastin from 2009 provoking Mastin is one of Mastin's greatest scumtells, because back then, Mastin was easily caught in that type of trap.
It also displays a distinctive scum mind-set. What town player wants to provoke another town player?
For starters--the way Wicked built up this case, it looked like it was actually going to be something large. Contrast with our wall here, which is every bit as long as we promised.Wicked wrote:Okay sure. Sorry for referring to you as him. Let's take a look at your posts in iso:
Post 0: Confirmation post.
Post 1: Response to my questions in the RVS and a random vote.
Post 2: Question directed to HezLucky asking how scum whining is different from town frustration.
Post 3: She asks me why I suspect her, requested that I call her a she, and says that it would be helpful if HH listed the scumtells from a couple of posts.
...and that's it. My summary of each post didn't leave anything out. Anyone notice what this iso is missing? Suspicions. A vote. Any thoughts regarding the game. tarsonisocelot hasn't given us anything to work with and aside from 2-3 questions (there was no follow-up to the only answered question), hasn't done any scumhunting. She's scum.
He also has that over-apologetic approach to Tarsonis. It gives off the distinct feeling of additionally not being so much a case as "scum-coaching-town". It's also a very weak case against Tarsonis. It additionally is extremely artificial, constructed once more in a strategic fashion.
Furthermore, he shows a scum tone in these posts. He displays a scum intention by going after a weak suspect, and a scum motive by wording things carefully--particularly in his last paragraph. It leaves a lot of back doors, to pedal out of if necessary.
It's also an extremely scum mind-set, by trying to single out her among many others, disregarding others who had contributed equally as little--Yonzy, for instance, had no suspects and did no scumhunting, yet got no more than a single abandoned FoS.
This is once more artificially constructed. It contains that back door to escape from, in that it contains those key words to leave open the chance to change his mind. Additionally, it shows pure scum motive, in that he's further prodding ConfidAnon to see what he can use against all three players--CA, tarsonis, AND Yank.Wicked wrote:Hmm.... I like ConfidAnon's points against YankCane. ConfidAnon, what do you think of tarsonisocelot after reading my points against him?
On a side-note,
Everyone should be ashamed. Tarsonis does better scumhunting in this post than most people have done for the entire game.tarsonis wrote:I do have a bad feeling about Wicked, but I want to wait a few RL days before deciding if that's actually merited by the tone/content of their posts or whether it's a knee-jerk reaction to them voting for me while saying "I have a case and I won't tell you!".
Maybe yonzy, the "Is it still RVS? I didn't notice! vote:random" thing was odd.
This is what instantly convinced us that Rainbowdash was the third scum. For starters, Rainbow defends Yonzy as being idiot-town. Furthermore, the vote for KKN is for reasons which can better be applied to Wicked. (See also: our massive case so far against Wicked.) Everything said against KKN here, in fact, looks like it could (and very well might have been!) be on Wicked. (Who knows, maybe it was and Rainbow switched names at the last second to decide not to bus.)Rainbowdash wrote:I realize that we have some Derpy Hooves types like Yonzy here that are more of a threat to themselves than friendship, but a few others are getting by much more slyly.
Vote Kid Know Nothing
He has done nothing useful in this game but attempt to trap people with shadows of overaggression when its actually pro-town to ask questions about why votes exist. He also is passively attacking punching bag Derpy, which is far more mallicious than voting for them. It feels like egging a wagon on, when that would best be served by actually voting there. Now I know everyone is going to be all like "But Rainbow, he already is voting for somepony!". Well yeah he is, but he is doing nothing to further that case, just sitting on it.
Wicked is not the only one in this game who displays an artificial tone. Rainbowdash's post here definitely contained it. It gives a "scum-coaching-town" feel to it. It also feels weak.Rainbow wrote:You are sitting on a nonexistant case. What you are pushing them for is that they reacted like scum would react to somepony throwing out a vote without any reasoning by voting for them AND asking questions about a baseless vote. If that is the scum reaction, what the hay is the town reaction? Blindly bandwagoning you? Ignoring the vote? Asking questions but NOT voting you?
Somepony must have been kicked in the head as a filly. Or is a threat to the magic of friendship.
Scum tone. Mastin says that he believes it's the usage of full stops, but isn't sure. He just knows it's a scum tone.Like give me a paragraph on why someone in this game is mafia. In their next post. Or suffer wrath.
It appears that in the absence of Wicked, Rainbow has stolen all of his scumtells. This has scum tone, it's artificial, it now has a clear back door, it has a scum motive in that it's prodding town and looking for things to use against them.So you are supposed to call somepony out on it WITHOUT a vote to be town and WITH a vote to be scummy?
Contradiction--Rainbow had earlier implied a town-view on Yonzy. This makes it clearly null. Also employs that back door.He is. I have seen his type enough to know that regardless of everything he is going to come off as Derpy Hooves and get lynched or vig shot in most games. You just can't put much trust in them, much like that one time we sent that one pony that couldn't tell directions to go help the birds migrate, learned that one the hard way. Anyways, he should be replaced since he hasnt even posted for almost five days.
It's like the scum have a constant rear view mirror and have their hands on the gear, ready to shift into reverse without so much as a moment's hesitation.
We got so sick of how scummy this post was (post 162, on page seven) that we decided to skip it for later, as it was just that bad for us. We never came back, due to time restraints, but it is a rather horrible post.
Screw leaving a back door. Rainbow is ramming through it in full reverse--this goes beyond leaving open a chance to backpedal; it IS backpedaling.Rainbow wrote:They have purpose if utilized corretly, but I really don't think this falls under that category since from what you are trying to argue. Your first vote wasn't scummy at all either, it wasnt a good time and place for it, but that wasnt something that caused any concern, it was the follow up of it.
Scum motive--prodding town once more. Additionally, more back door wording.What are the town reactions? The scum reactions? Remember what I said about how everpony is different in their reactions and mindset? I sincerely doubt that this will manage to catch scum at a greater rate then scum exist in the game.
Scum tone, via the back door.Is this really one of those "I wouldnt have done this if I was scum" comments?
1: Scumslip. It reveals that both Hez and Yank are town. 2: Artificial scum tone, in the way that Rainbow is asking them to contribute elsewhere, in that it has a scum motive. (See also: prodding town to see what can be used against them.)@Hez/Yank - Ok, stop arguing now. Everpony gets the points and can decide for ourselves. Weigh in on other things.
One to two scum on the KKN mislynch. Better yet, I think it's at the beginning and end of the wagon. This is further backed up by the fact that el simo is town, and bob and avas are both strong town-reads of ours.Best VCA Ever wrote:Kid Know Nothing - 5 (Yonzy, avasthearties, bobsnox, el simo, Rainbowdash)
Horrifying Hero - 2 (Lobster Catapult, Wickedestjr)
YankCane151 - 2 (ConfidAnon, HezLucky)
There's also one scum in the (2) voters, which can only be Wicked. This clears Lobster (obviously), Hez (obv-town anyway), and ConfidAnon. (Less obvious, but still present.)
There's nothing wrong with this.Vifam wrote:Who should I vote?
Us, responding wrote:Wicked, naturally.
...Until you combine it with this.Vifam wrote:If that's true why is there a wagon on KKN?
Vifam confirmed that Vifam's scum with Wicked due to this.
Town response to being told who to vote: blindly following and voting the first name called out. (I called out Wicked.)
Scum response to being told to vote someone who is town: voting the person who is town.
Scum response to being told to vote for scumbuddy:
To question the logic behind the choice. Which Vifam just did. It's one of the strongest scumtells applicable to this situation. Vifam essentially trapped himself with one of his first posts, without realizing the damage he was doing.
To paraphrase what went on, Vifam: "Hi. Tell me who to vote." "Wicked." "On second thought, I take it back--not voting."
Mastin says Scum tone. He can't explain it. (Gut.)Rainbow wrote:Wake me when it gets here. You have been holding out on a case of him since the first page.
Pointless insult, deflection, provocation.Vifam wrote:Don't be a cunt.
Refuses to take a stronger stance, and scumslips with his back-door wording by revealing he knows Hez is town. Gives a FoS (suspicion) on Hez, implying he thinks Hez is scum. Yet only "might open up on a case of him being scum", which says that he isn't that suspicious of Hez at the moment, not enough to warrant an FoS. (Generally, if you have an FoS, you're the one making/quoting the case, not waiting for it!)Okay
FOS:HezLucky/b]
I skimmed through the thread, I think I might open up on a case of him being scum.
Additionally, it shows lack of initiative and willingness to sheep a case, no matter how weak it might be, and not put any original thought into Vifam's suspicion of Hez. This accusation is augmented by the next post,
But there's more to Vifam's post than just that.Yank pretty much nailed it.
So, instead of trying to focus on a target, Vifam chooses to branch out and now follow through on the vote, instead opting to look elsewhere. This is a pure scum mind-set, as there's no town reason to not focus on your primary suspect. It shows a scum motive, in that Vifam is looking for other potential mislynch targets to pin besides Hez.I'm going to take my scumhunting elsewhere.
This was basically fluff, meant to be passed off as an attempt to defuse the situation. Only, it didn't. It added nothing.Vifam wrote:Holy shit.
This game just got emotional.
It's like Rainbow is looking at his scum partners and singing, "anything you can do, I can do betteeeeeeeer, anything you can do, I can do too!" Mastin says This also has a scum tone to it, but he doesn't want to waste time explaining it so will allow it to be called gut.Rainbowdash wrote:Seriously
No fighting, yes friendship. This WILL work itself out. I can bring up some great stories about how competition can get in the way of friendships if you want.
Rainbow is lining up mislynches here. All three of KKN, Tarsonis, and el simo are town for various (but quite obvious when you look for them) reasons.Lynch pool today is KKN and Tarin (could also be swayed to el simo). One we get one of those flips we can move on from there. Right now this is going to become a black hole that will draw everypony into it by dominating discussion. Hez is being AMAZINGLY stubborn to the point where he is threatening anypony who attack him, even moreso then Yank who needs to drop his case at this point and move on.
His attempt to defuse the situation reads as instead trying to actually subtly encourage it. Like trying to fight a Forest Fire by dumping gasoline on it--it might initially appear to be dousing the flames and calming things down, but it's actually fueling the flames further.
It has an overall scum tone to it, in the way it was worded came from a scum mind-set encouraging the fighting.
This is a minor backtrack, in that Rainbow is no longer showing the same level of confidence in both being town. Instead of strongly implying it, Rainbow's now only saying it kinda weak, by comparison. It's also false, in that a lynch elsewhere would not shed any light on either combatant's alignment. (Well, it would--Rainbow/Vifam as scum would reveal them both to be town. Other than that...)Because he is probably town, and you are probably town, and if everypony would realize that the best way to deal with a situation like this one is to diffuse it, use a lynch flip then followed by the night actions to learn more about the ponies in the arguement its better. You are not allowed to argue "more stubborn" either as a reason to carry on an attack, this isnt eye for and eye and hoof for a hoof.
This is also false, and blatantly trying to control the town. The second part is self-evident. As for the names, the players who reveal the most are not KKN (who was obv-town via the quick L-2 wagon), Tarsonis (who has connections to literally nobody), or even el simo (...less so, admittedly, in that el simo's town-flip somewhat-condemns Wicked, but not that much). The players revealing the most are Wicked and Yonzy/Vifam.Lynch pool is two because those are my two strongest scum reads. Their flips catch scum and/or clear up reads on neutral players while cementing stronger reads.
Scum tone: Degrading the quality of another's scumhunting, while casting weak suspicion on them shows a very strong scum motive, with a good scum intention as well.Also please tell me you are kidding with Anon scum. I mean, if thats serious you are making Derpy look like Twilight.
Classic examples of both fencesitting and buddying. It displays a strong scum motive, as well as a slight scum tone--comes across as being artificially constructed.@bob - There we go. Voice of reason. While HH is more of an unpredicatble entity in this game, they arent a great lynch. The continual ignoring of the game is a slight tell, especially given that mastin is known for being one of the more overboard posters and Lat is definantly competent. Just would rather go in a different direction
Scum tone, which reveals the scum intention behind this.I see Hez has come around. Good. We can start to move on.
Artificial construction: Scum tone--Back Door Wording--Vifam is leaving a LOT of room to backpedal out of here if need be. Scum intention--this prod declares things that only can come from scum wanting to foreshadow their own future votes.Vifam wrote:What purpose was this going to serve? Do you actually think he is scum? Or are you actually trying to apply some pressure on him?
If it's the former, what makes you think he is scum over KKN?
If it's the latter, what makes you think he will hurry if he's been holding out for this long?
I don't see what made you want to hop on this joke, since I've read HH's ISO, and he's doing some MAJOR foreshadowing, so I think it's best to just wait. If his proof is inconclusive, this vote would be justified. But at the moment a HH lynch seems rushed and not very well thought out.
Scum motive, too, in that prodding Bob like this simultaneously tests grounds for an HH mislynch and a Bob mislynch, to see if either can get support. (Which itself is a scumslip revealing Bob to be town.)
...Yet Vifam was ON the KKN wagon for a significant amount of time.Vifam wrote:There is probably scum on the KKN wagon, we should put some of our thought there.
His name is included. Vifam refuses to state WHO the scum are in there, instead referring to the general, "there has to be scum in there". Yet Vifam refuses to state why.
(LINK ABOVE INTENTIONALLY BROKEN DUE TO QUICKTOPIC'S ANNOYING FOUR-LINK LIMIT; THIS WILL NEED FIXING.)
And I think I know why. His buddy is in there. He could safely say, "excluding me", and focus on the other four--but he doesn't, because he knows it'll cast more suspicion onto Rainbowdash. Instead of focusing on these four, his vote's outside the wagon, on Hez.
This seems weaker than Rainbow's defense of him. In other words, it seems like Rainbow shouldn't have this strong of a town-read for that little. (Scum mind-set.) Which makes me think Rainbow scumslipped. Additionally, it contains an artificial construction, leaving multiple back doors to trail through if need be. Scum intention, too, by leaving open the wagon options.Rainbowdash wrote:His ISO.
It continually shifts viewpoint not to go along with the pacing of the game but instead to respond to point that are made for and against people being scum, without showing any real motivation to move towards or away from certain players baselessly which tend to be indicative of scum. The only way I start to secondguess this read is with a Tarin-scum flip, even then though, he is a leaning town player.
This comes from a scum mind-set, in that town don't think of a townVtown situation in this way. It reeks of scum trying to get town-cred for stopping the situation being described. It has an extremely forced, artificial feel to it.I want to diffuse this because its massively counter intuitive and if you guys really are both town, exactly what scum want to create and will thrive off of in these games, which is why we are going to stop it. Bob either realizes this, or doesnt realize it and still has come to the correct path of action.
Additionally, the bob part contains back door wording, in that Rainbow is leaving open a backtrack on bob being a voice of reason to use if a chance to take advantage of bob presents itself (doubling as a scum intention).
This is where we stopped, sorry, due to time constraints. Our apologies for taking so long and only covering half of the game. But we do have more to add than this.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2332047
(ALSO BROKEN DUE TO QUICKTOPIC'S ANNOYING FOUR LINK LIMIT) This is a link to a game Lat provided, where a town IC, netopolis, used the RQS to nail all the scum and get decently-founded town reads on EVERY town player, simply through the use of analyzing how each player answered the rqs questions.
We bring this up, because you can compare and contrast Netopolis's use of productive RQS (Which is apparently pro-town), with Wicked's use of RQS which was phony and did little to nothing to help the game. It's a good comparison of what a productive townie would do versus scum pretending to be productive.
Wicked's also scum for not having claimed--You're at L-1. Why the heck wouldn't you claim as town?
As scum, there's clear motivation--talk your way out of a lynch, and you can save claiming for later. You don't have to lock a claim in.
As town, there's no motivation.
Miscellaneous Extras:
These are things which'd be worked into the case at the appropriate spots if we had more time. Since we don't, they're here at the end.
(On Wicked's 45) Simo: I'M A BIG SCARY DRAGON. RAAAAAAAH! (I AM SO ANGRY AT BEING TOWN EVERY GAME.)
Real Simo: (I've been town every game on this account, it's getting fustrating.)
Wicked: WHAT? THERES NO IMPLICATION? BLAHG!
Real Wicked: (I don't see how saying he's been town in all of his other games is meant to imply he's town this game.)
-Basically, Simo says he's been town in every game on that account IS implying he's town, because this game is a part of all the games as a whole and is on the account mentioned.
-The Joke comment is bull shit. Some of us have a sense of humor.
-How would CA's vote feel off? When he was just trying to get the game started?
(On Wicked's 47) This is blatantly putting words into Yank's freaked Yanky mouth.
(On Wicked's 49) Uh no Wicked, no it doesn't. His question was a separate entity.
(On Wicked's 60)
-This is where the leap of logic is: Wicked is assuming Yank is a shady Disney villain following CA's every step.
But instead. Yank's a beautiful princess who saw a rabbit in distress (Simo), who was inflicted by a severe case of confusion. Then Yank, leaned forward and answered Simo's question.
CA is actually irrelevant to the picture.
-THIS IS A SCUM CLAIM. "...and my suspicion of you has strengthened."
Town doesn't post like this. You don't talk WITH your suspects, unless you WANT them to convince you they're town.
Wicked isn't posting about Yank per say, in words he is, but his intention is different. He's creating a gradual logical time line for his suspicions and thoughts to flow so he appears consistent and pro-town.
(On Wicked's 80) "What originally made you think that the RVS was over?"
Wicked keeps pushing the same point. Yank did an okay job explaining it.
(On Wicked's 115) Justifying your vote in this manner is scummy. We don't know how to articulate it this correctly. He fails to explain the Tars vote. Why? 'Cuz, he wanted momentum to be brought up on tars instead.
If he was a townie, well, Lat actually has a link to what a townie would do; we'll post it later.
(On Wicked's 130) Mastin: The only way to describe it other than that is to quote every post Wicked's done and explain exactly why he's scum. And I do mean it--I can quote every single post he's done and [point out all the scumminess within.] He has literally zero town posts this game."
"I don't believe that you are capable of doing this. Try and prove me wrong."
The ultimate scumclaim, challenging us. He denies our ability, not the truth that he isn't scum. Town wants truth. Scum want logic debates.
-Wicked's posts are extremely artificial, giving off the feeling of being carefully constructed rather than naturally posted. They show consistent scum Tone, consistently show a scum mind-set, have a constant scum Motive, and declare themselves as a scum intention.
-Wicked-Yonzy/Vifam/Rainbow makes a perfect scumteam with no flaws in it. They're also scum by process of elimination, as we have town-reads on the rest of the playerlist we can explain as well. There's lots condemning for them, and not much in favor.
