Honest Abel wrote:I could detail my thoughts on the cavjj/DC connection as well, but I'm pooped for tonight. If anyone wants to hear more, let me know.
Yeah, do that when you get the chance.
dicknose wrote:Out of annoyance.
dicknose wrote:fair enough, i assumed there was more.
There might end up being more if I take a closer look at it. But that's most of what I see with DC/cavjj.dicknose wrote:fair enough, i assumed there was more.
Honest Abel wrote:I would think this would be the popular argument:
Premise:cavjj claimed he was the cop and knew the jailkeeper.
Premise:cavjj is scum.
Inference:cavjj was lying about being the cop.
Conclusion:cavjj was lying about knowing the jailkeeper.
But DC's looks more like this:
Premise:cavjj claimed he was the cop and knew the jailkeeper.
Premise:cavjj is scum.
Inference:cavjj was lying about being the cop.
Inference:cavjj was telling the truth about knowing the jailkeeper.
Premise:If scum knew the jailkeeper, they would have killed the jailkeeper.
Premise:There is no doctor.
Premise:Scum didn't kill the jailkeeper.
Inference:Scum must have been blocked by the jailkeeper.
Premise:Abel was blocked by the jailkeeper.
Conclusion:: Abel is scum.
I doubt the soundness of IV and VI, and VIII is, by extension of VI, illogical.
You're not using basic logic, you're working off of assumptions and making illogical inferences.DarkClaymore wrote:I have no problem forgetting Cav's claim. Really. I'm using basic logic. Tell me, Abel. Wouldn't you investigate the IC on N1 if you were rolecop? Because I believe most players would (though I can change my mind if I see a variety of answers) and thus mafia should have known NS is the Jailer by N2. Is it so illogical to conclude NS were to be targeted on N2?
Now, you were blocked that night. Assuming NS is indeed the Jailer, there are only two logical options here I think:
1) Abel is scum and was blocked
2) There is a doc who protected the IC
I don't see any reason to favor the second conclusion over the first. The second assumes there's another protective role as well as that the target was the IC even though there were quite some other possible candidates. In short: the second option requires too much assumptions while the first is rather straightforward and simple.
If I were rolecop, no, I wouldn't default to the IC. I would pick the best target given what happened in D1. Who would care about such an inactive IC as Wickedestjr was on D1?
You're also assuming that the mafia would definitely kill the jailkeeper on N2, which isn't 100% positive. I personally think the jailkeeper has the capacity to screw things up for town. Just look at this game.
Interesting thing about #4: IF scum did indeed know that a jailkeeper existed, as you insist, wouldn't choosing not to kill cast a lot of suspicion on the jailkeeper's target? That makes #4 kind of likely.
DarkClaymore wrote:You say perhaps you wouldn't have targeted him, as strange as it is in my eyes. If there are others here who think the same, then I'll reconsider the whole thing.
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And I'll consider #3 only in case I hear others saying they might have not killed the Jailer for some reason. Otherwise, even #2 is much more likely then #3 IMO.
dicknose wrote:This is the third fucking time I'm making this post.DarkClaymore wrote:You say perhaps you wouldn't have targeted him, as strange as it is in my eyes. If there are others here who think the same, then I'll reconsider the whole thing.
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And I'll consider #3 only in case I hear others saying they might have not killed the Jailer for some reason. Otherwise, even #2 is much more likely then #3 IMO.
Did you not read the last page? Out of five people who've declared who they would have nk'd, you're the only one who chose the IC. At most, only one of them is lying. Way to tunnel.
In response to your question: I was honest about nk'ing you. I would then make the argument that scum was trying to make me look suspicious for having tunneled you.
DarkClaymore wrote:Yet, I'd really hear how many here would have +80% killed the Jailer if they knew who it is. Because it's the only way I see to either prove or disprove that my assumptions are logical or not.
Honest Abel wrote:DC, now you're trying to "prove your assumptions are logical" based on opinion. Man, you know nothing about logic.
Honest Abel wrote:Also, why are you trying to prove that your assumptions are logical in the first place? Is it of any importance other than making you look smart? You're slipping into focus of your own scumminess/towniness. That is not something town do.
dicknose wrote:DarkClaymore wrote:Yet, I'd really hear how many here would have +80% killed the Jailer if they knew who it is. Because it's the only way I see to either prove or disprove that my assumptions are logical or not.
logic =/= true
Logic is a method of reasoning. It can be false.
Other than that, I'm not spending another day on you. VOTE: Darky. Anyone who wants to lose this sucker, join me.