Mafia 48: Himalayan Mafia - Game over!

[Twomz]

Actually i believe what TSA was doing is typically called a "Parody" or a "joke."

Mod: can we have a vote count?

[Yosarian2]

Well, if we're doing lurker-hunting (and I think lurker hunting is probably a very good idea; we need to keep everyone participating if we're going to find the scum) then

vote:creampuffeater

. He's only posted twice; he first post he just voted for DG for "disagreeing with Fritz", and his second post didn't really say much of anything.

[Norinel]

Things'll be busy over the next week or so; may not be able to get on as regularly, so if there's something urgent PM me and I'll get an e-mail. (Edit: Vote count corrections are probably not urgent)

Vote Count:

Mastermind Of Sin- 6 (LoudMouthLee, TheCesspit, JamesSparrow, Twomz, DrippingGoofball, neongrey)
DrippingGoofball- 3 (Fritzler, Fuldu, creampuffeater)
LoudMouthLee- 1 (tidus_of_zanarkand)
RandomActs- 1 (Thoth)
Fuldu- 1 (broomhead)
TheCesspit- 1 (TSAGod)
tidus_of_zanarkand- 1 (HezLucky)
creampuffeater- 1 (Yosarian2)

Not voting (

3

6): Dead Rikimaru, logicticus, Mastermind of Sin, Mini Neo, Mr. Flay, RandomActs

11 to lynch.

[TheCesspit]

Actually i believe what TSA was doing is typically called a "Parody" or a "joke."

Mod: can we have a vote count?

It makes no sense. He's been lurking, and then votes for me as a lurker, where I've made several contributions, even they haven't been of the high level that others have had. I made my reasons clear in the post, and in previous posts I had been talking about other topics.

I'm interested in other's opinions on TSAGod.

I'm sorry my statement disturbs you. It's quite simple. I have had stick for being non-comittal and anti town. I had asked JamesSparrow about one of his votes, not undertsanding how it could be construed to be pro-town. It looked summy to me.

Instead I got a good answer on how exerting pressure via voting can help uncover scum. Follow the thread, it's there. I hadn't thought of it in this direction before. It makes sense. Once LoudMouthLee (*) started a 'pressure bandwagon' on MasterofSin, I thought it might help to show some commitment to the cause, and vote for a lurker.

Now, the way I figure it is this: if someone's not talking, then we can tell nothing about them. If they are town, then they aren't helping the town and thus might as well be anti-Town. I understood two of the general rules for Town where:

1) Don't lie.
2) Keep talking.

He's remiss in item 2. Hopefully I'm doing 2. I know I'm doing 1.

On other business:

LoudMouthLee : He's not down as voting first for MasterOfSin. This is a mistake surely? I'm not quite sure if he has any bandwagon will do attitude, more trying to get something from everyone.

DrippingGoofball : I get no feeling of bad guy from her.

HezLucky : I was worried about there comment "but its ultimately Tidus who I want to go after.", but on it was misread it, and it is consistent. I know I'm Town (natch), so therefore if the theory on linkage's is correct, Tidus and MasterOfSin are scumbuddies. This should also be kept an eye on.

Which means I'm happy to keep my vote where it is for the time being.

Tidus : See above.

[HezLucky]

People, people

The theory of linkage doesn't apply unless we lynch Tidus...

Lynching one of hte other two and catching scum could just mean tidus is a town who caught a scum with an FOS.

Lynching one of the other two and catching town means nothing to us. Absolutely nothing.

[TSAGod]

Actually i believe what TSA was doing is typically called a "Parody" or a "joke."

It makes no sense. He's been lurking, and then votes for me as a lurker, where I've made several contributions, even they haven't been of the high level that others have had. I made my reasons clear in the post, and in previous posts I had been talking about other topics.

I'm interested in other's opinions on TSAGod.

I voted for you as you tried to make voting for a lurker appear to prove your townieness. It doesn't work. And to prove my towniness after lurking for the first five pages, I called you on it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Looks to me like Hezlucky is using some sort of sham theory to "go after tidus."

(1) If the theory is solid, and tidus is scum, would he have set up his scumbuddies in such an obvious manner?

(2) If the theory is not solid, is HezLucky simply framing tidus?

Mmmm... I like door #2.

unvote, vote: HezLucky

You can see why he'd be a top choice for Mafia recruitment.

[Fritzler]

Hez is saying that tidus's post seems suspicious, but that it doesn't really mean anything until we know the alignment of one of those three people. I'd argue that on Day One of a game without power roles, that's a reason to try to start a bandwagon on one of those three people, probably the center, tidus. But I think it looks more like just a mediocre and somewhat newbish post rather than actual ties between the three of them, so I'm disinclined to help him out in that direction.

So then, The DG wagon has pretty much stopped. This feel awfully similar to the 5 year game. I feel, since we have the time, we start a new bandwagon. My pick, although Tidus looks suspicious, is MoS. He sits here, cries about how great he is, and lurks. I dislike his play style immensely. However, when he's forced to post, he can give the town some well needed info. Let's give him a reason to come out and play. We can see if there's a connection between Tidus, MoS and Cesspit.

Unvote, but IGMEOY: DG and Vote: MoS

I urge everyone to do the same.

PS: I believe we have AT LEAST 1 scum in the group of Tidus, Cesspit, DG and MoS. If you don't agree, make me think otherwise. I still think DG made a booboo when she "semi-cleared" Fritzler, as stated in my pbpa, but since we stalled, I can wait.

ill do this

but DGB is the play later

unvote, Vote: MoS

[tidus_of_zanarkand]

unvote

Ok. I don't see a massive need to go after LoudMouthLee right now.

There are seven votes looming over a person who has only posted once and it was only "*under the radar*"

vote Mastermind of Sin

You need to speak up.

He has had two whole days to check in and defend himself. Heck all he has to do is say something helpful and I will unvote him.

HezLucky, thats bad logic and you know it. Shame on you.

FoS HezLucky

[HezLucky]

logic?

or a tell?

I'm happy with my vote.

[creampuffeater]

Wow this game has gotten much wierder....

Unvote DG, Fos: Tidus and TheCesspit

I think that TheCesspit is scummier, because I just dont understant where he is going with that pressure vote thingy, pressure votes always seem to work when I see them. Also the whole we are voting him for why he voted MoS seems like he tried to direct attention to MoS not himself. Tidus isnt much better, but I do not find him as scummy as TheCesspit. I will refrain voting for now uuntill I can better understand this crazy situation we are in.

[Dead Rikimaru]

It makes no sense. He's been lurking, and then votes for me as a lurker,

where I've made several contributions, even they haven't been of the high level that others have had. I made my reasons clear in the post, and in previous posts I had been talking about other topics.

I'm interested in other's opinions on TSAGod.

I'm sorry my statement disturbs you. It's quite simple. I have had stick for being non-comittal and anti town. I had asked JamesSparrow about one of his votes, not undertsanding how it could be construed to be pro-town. It looked summy to me.

Instead I got a good answer on how exerting pressure via voting can help uncover scum. Follow the thread, it's there. I hadn't thought of it in this direction before. It makes sense. Once LoudMouthLee (*) started a 'pressure bandwagon' on MasterofSin, I thought it might help to show some commitment to the cause, and vote for a lurker.

TSAGod didn't vote you for the same reason you voted MoS
He voted you because you said you needed to show pro-town behavior.
He just said he was voting you to show pro-town behavior too to mock you.
It has been later explained by TSAGod himself, Fuldu and Twomz and your insistence in not understand (points to bold part of the quote) is even more suspicious than your initial post. Looks like your are trying to discard his theory by explaining why the joke is wrong. Not the real vote.

vote: TheCesspit

[TheCesspit]

Wow this game has gotten much wierder....

Unvote DG, Fos: Tidus and TheCesspit

I think that TheCesspit is scummier, because I just dont understant where he is going with that pressure vote thingy, pressure votes always seem to work when I see them. Also the whole we are voting him for why he voted MoS seems like he tried to direct attention to MoS not himself. Tidus isnt much better, but I do not find him as scummy as TheCesspit. I will refrain voting for now uuntill I can better understand this crazy situation we are in.

Sigh, I seem to be getting myself in difficulties, which really worries me in case I get lynched for it. However, if you feel that lynching me may allow you to uncover scum, thats fine.

I didn't understand Pressure Voting. I do now. I thought pressure votes of the -form- JamesSparrow stated his in was scummy. I have since learnt from several people my view was wrong, and I accept it.

LoudMouthLee then started a pressure vote on MasterOfSin. Having just grapsed the concept of the pressure vote, I went along with it, and stated that was my reason. I had also been accused of by non-commital and anti-town, so noted that as well. Perhaps I shouldn't have spelt it out.

TSAGod made a joke of it, which I didn't get. I still don't, and think there's been a lack of reading what I have contributed in the past by some people, or my failure to communicate effectively. I am not sure which.

TSAGod didn't vote you for the same reason you voted MoS
He voted you because you said you needed to show pro-town behavior.
He just said he was voting you to show pro-town behavior too to mock you.
It has been later explained by TSAGod himself, Fuldu and Twomz and your insistence in not understand (points to bold part of the quote) is even more suspicious than your initial post. Looks like your are trying to discard his theory by explaining why the joke is wrong. Not the real vote.

vote: TheCesspit

So a second person whose been pretty quiet comes out and votes for me.

I feel well and truly mocked now.

[DrippingGoofball]

I personally find no reason to vote for theCesspit at this time. Sure, he was non-commital at first, but he has explained himself to my satisfaction.

I am way more worried about HezLucky framing Tidus. He's done it to me before. Making a mountain out of a molehill, whipping everyone into a frenzy to lynch a Townie, while sounding detached and supremely self-confident.

[Twomz]

Sadly, making mountains out of molehills is a huge part of playing mafia. (since the other part is cop investigations and information roles... well, i guess you know where i'm going with this...)

[DrippingGoofball]

Mmmm, yes, I see where you're going with this, but if it was anyone but Hez I would be on it, too. Know what I mean?

[RandomActs]

I'm not against pressure voting on lurkers, but I'm hesitant to join. The only time I was mafia, I targeted lurkers to get a claim (eventually) and hoped they'd goof up in their defense. Then lynch them. I made a splendid case about how lurkers hurt the town, but I was scum all along. So, forgive me if I'm not swayed by the anti-lurking rhetoric. I've used it myself as scum.

Hez's linkage theory makes psychological sense to me. I'm going to have to think about it some more, and look more carefully at some posts. But as for now, I'm swayed enough to offer my

FoS: tidus

[neongrey]

I can appreciate that, Random, though it's hardly enough for a condemnation of all lurker-pressuring. (if nothing else, wth could someone claim in this game? "Oh, I'm scu... TOWN! TOWN!" ) Not that I think you were doing that, I just think it needs to be kept in mind.

But speaking of lurkers, where -is- MoS?

[Mastermind of Sin]

rofl, i can't believe it took until the bottom of page four for anyone to notice my post, which was in fact designed to MAKE people notice me. Unfortunately, I went on spring break on Friday, and I haven't had much time to check Mafiascum, so I was unable to post until now. I'm glad that my action helped to get the discussion going, though. Much better than a random vote. I think I'll start doing that in every large game

[neongrey]

There was a...

blargh. I just have no brain. Either way,

unvote

.

[Dead Rikimaru]

I personally find no reason to vote for theCesspit at this time.

My reason to vote him has nothing to do with his remark on trying to look pro-town.
I'm voting him because TSAGod voted him presenting an argument and making a joke.
theCesspit has been constantly ignoring the argument and defending from the joke.
Also, note how he tries to discredit me saying:

So a second person whose been pretty quiet comes out and votes for me.

I feel well and truly mocked now.

As if my the arguments of people who do not post a lot were less worthy, as if they were reading less too.

[TheCesspit]

I personally find no reason to vote for theCesspit at this time.

My reason to vote him has nothing to do with his remark on trying to look pro-town.
I'm voting him because TSAGod voted him presenting an argument and making a joke.
theCesspit has been constantly ignoring the argument and defending from the joke.

Okay, the arguement is that a lurker-vote does not make you pro-town? I thought I'd gone through this. I am well aware that a lurker-vote ON IT'S OWN does not make one pro-town. But nor does commenting on making a lurker vote make one pro-town.

As if my the arguments of people who do not post a lot were less worthy, as if they were reading less too.

That wasn't my comment. I just feel it's odd that two people who've contributed very little have voted for me, with little else to add apart from commentary on my actions. No-one elses.

Your lack of comments makes no value assumption on the argument contain within. Reading lots and commenting little looks the same as reading little and commenting little. This doesn't mean your scum or town, but I fail to see how it's -helpful-.

Which was is my attack on both arguements.

unvote

Finger Of Suspicion : Dead Rikimaru, MasterOfSin

Tactic: Pick the weakest arguement around, smell inexperience and attack that one person. Which is looks to be me. As stated earlier, if I'm lynched, hopefully it'll not be in vain as it will show up Scum.

[Yosarian2]

rofl, i can't believe it took until the bottom of page four for anyone to notice my post, which was in fact designed to MAKE people notice me. Unfortunately, I went on spring break on Friday, and I haven't had much time to check Mafiascum, so I was unable to post until now. I'm glad that my action helped to get the discussion going, though. Much better than a random vote. I think I'll start doing that in every large game

So...your plan was to act really scummy in order to get everyone talking about how scummy you were?

Anyway, creampuff's posting more now, so

unvote:creampuff

[Mr. Flay]

Errr, without obviating any of my prior suspicions or delivering that promised analysis just yet,

Vote: Mastermind of Sin

. Without a power role, someone who doesn't talk is less than useless, they're actually hindering the game. So either you're scum, or you're dead weight.

And yes, I've gotten on you about this before (ever since Guitarists, I think), but it applies even moreso in this game because you can't possibly have the "I was protecting my copness" defense. Post or Perish.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah....MoS has now posted twice, but still hasn't offered any kind of analysis, or suggestions, or any real content. If you're "back from spring break" or whatever now, MOS, I'll give you a day or two to catch up, but if you haven't started posting a lot more then you have so far this game, and started posting some real content, I'll be glad to join the bandwagon on you and push for your lynch, especally as the other two people I considered to be lurkers, Dead Rikimaru and creampuff, have started to post a little more now.