What can I say? I'm a conformist.
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I'm hardly panicking, and even if I was, who cares?Vote: SleepyKrew
You are full of shiiiiiit. My vote wasn't opportunistic and I demand you tell me why you would slander me so.
EDIT: actually, nah,Unvote
Vote: Maruchan
Why are we killing a PR actually capable of communicating effectively with us? Seems like a policy for policy's sake.-
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Has he ever played a game as scum? I know it's part of his meta but it's still an incredibly useless question.twistedspoon wrote:can i just say that captain corporal asks random questions in RVS all the time as town. It's part of his meta
Yes. Maruchan posted after I had typed that first part. At first I was going to tango with SK but decided against it after Maruchan made that incredibly scummy post.ace wrote:Did Maruchan post after you had typed out the first half of the post or did you simply change your mind? Also Seraphim has already voted for three people (two for real reasons) and FoS'd another (for asking a bad random question?).
For those playing along at home, let me explain:
First, he makes a post saying "please stop using your hydra". This is neutral but he doesn't make an RVS vote. Alright, no problem there. This wouldn't be a big deal if he didn't vote SK to try and "get rid of the Post Restrictions".
I throw some pressure down on him and all of a sudden his vote is a "random" vote. Wut?
Then he tries to misrep the entire thing, saying that I'm voting him for giving a reason for his random vote, when this is clearly not true.
Maruchan is pretty obviously caught scum.
WTF? Opportunistic?SK wrote:No, he was opportunistic with his Chrono vote. He was opportunistic with his Maru vote. He was opportunistic with his CC FoS.
And if you're seriously going to attack me for vote-hopping(Ace) or voting "opportunisticly"(SleepyKrew), please explain to me how it's scummy. Yes, I've voted for a lot of people. I am giving and explaining my reads, on who I feel is scum at that moment, or who I feel needs pressure.
Like Twistedspoon said, my vote on Chrono was to get a wagon started. How is that scummy? My vote on Maru was to wagon a player making actions I believe are scummy. My FoS on CC was to dissuade and attack behavior I see as anti-town. The "RQS", especially when it has nothing to do with the game, can be damaging and game-strangling with no benefits whatsoever. He gets the finger of suspicion because not all players know this.
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Starbuck, this looks like the beginning of a long and beautiful relationship.
Hahahaha. You just keep coming up with excuses for your actions. The fact that you keep changing your story makes me think you're flustered and flailing. It looked like a serious vote based on shitty reasoning? No, it was a joke, a random vote. It doesn't look like a joke. Of course not, I did it to get reactions. Hahahaha.Maru wrote:I did it to cause interaction. It has caused interaction no? Right.
Hello, scum number 2. Nice distancing.TheJakalope wrote:If anyone legitimately thinks Maruchan is scum based on his first vote, stop playing so terribly.
His reaction to the votes on him is a bit scummy, but anyone that votes based on his RVS vote is ridiculous.
Also, stop dodging my question: who is scum?
Cojin: who is scum?
Twistedspoon: PR = power roles but it also equals post restriction. SleepyKrew has a post restriction(PR). Obviously everyone has a power role.
Now I get to deal with Captain Corporal.
Here's a better question: what, as town, do you stand to gain for it? Don't WIFOM your way out of this one.Captain Corporal wrote:Why would scum ask a question like I did, knowing that it has caused me trouble in the past? Rolefishing? Lol, anyone with a brain wouldn't write in their real role.
There is a time and a place for the "RQS"(random question stage), but those times and places tend to be rare. For example, if there is a game with strange mechanics, for example Stars Aligned, there might be good questions that everyone should answer. However, the best questions are the beginning of the game are ones targeting SPECIFIC players about SPECIFIC things. For example:
Maruchan: you're new to the site. What sort of off-site experience do you have?
InflatablePie: Why did you wagon Chronopie?
etc etc
I don't like random questions unless I see a benefit to them besides "starting discussion". Waiting for everyone to answer them bogs down the game severely. Also, I don't like the fact that you're not following through with your questioning and following through with any meaningful results from what you've culled so far.
How are they townslips?CC wrote:The townslip(s) on page 3 seemed genuine, but they could easily be WIFOM =/ Still, he seems town to me.
Twistedspoon does not think I'm scum. So how I am deflecting suspicion?CC wrote:Not sure about Seraphim at this point. #67 it seems as though he's trying to get suspicion off himself and onto Maru, but #68 looks town to me (although I'm not exactly sure why =/)
I'll let Starbuck defend herself, but I think CC's case on her is serious bullshit.
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Read my post again please. Thank you for the information but you didn't need to do this.Maru wrote:Leraned about the concept of mafia in February, played Epicmafia from February-June, found forum mafia and ditched epicmafia. Played 1-game to completion, and am dead in 4, still alive in 6, one of which is night.
Let's take a look at my voting history, shall we?I attacked you for vote-hopping because I feel voting (and FoS'ing in this case) for a bunch of people early in the game is a great way to say "A lot of people are scummy, I'm cool with any lynch that looks like it's going to fly".
First I vote chronopie during the RVS because of RVS wagon lulz.
Then I vote SleepyKrew because I wanted to provoke a reaction. However, I decided to change this after Maruchan made his post voting for SleepyKrew because "kill all Post Restrictions"
I also voted Captain Corporal for trying to make everyone answer a useless question.
How is that vote hopping? I have voted for three people. One of them was RVS. One of them I voted for all of a post before changing my vote.
Why do I need the most pressure again?
Are you reading the game? Read back through my post again.ace wrote:What is the purpose of this question?
What do you mean "my townslip"? How am I "flailing"? How have I been "opportunistic"? The only one I can see is bussing.SleepyKrew wrote:Seraphim- opportunistic, flailing, my "townslip", bussing so hard
TheJakalope is totally Maru's scumbuddy.
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Translation: lemme consult my scum partners to help me with my fakeclaim.gimme two secs to go open my PM. my role is really confusing.
BULLSHIT HAMMER AND KILL IT WITH FIRE, KILL IT WITH FIIIIIIIRE
How can he have a town meta? He's played one game.you do realise Maruchan's madness is his town meta?-
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Some questions:
It specifically says "lynch" here?I become a corpse upon my first lynch
Let me make sure I got your role correct: you can kill a player who is alive, but Bones, but they will stay Bones instead of becoming Ash.
You can use an ability that prepares a dead Bones player to use your next ability.
You can wear Bones to gain one shot versions of prepared player's abilities.
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That's not what I'm saying at all(also, I said that I voted Captain Corporal, this was wrong, I only FoSed him). My voting has a purpose, I just move quickly. I voted three people. Chrono, SK, and Maru.So essentially you're saying you've just been throwing your vote around randomly.
His claim looks very much like a self-survival role rather than a pro-town role. I do not think scum got fakeclaims because unlike some flavors, there really isn't anything that differentiates scum or town in this game. His role looks something the Mafia could use more than the town.
His role allows him to gain one-shots from other players over three nights. I don't see town gaining that ability.
The InflatablePie question was an example given to CC of what a useful RQS question would look like. A poor example, but an example nonetheless.-
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I am curious as to what these reads are and how you came by them.Back to my random question for a moment - I'm actually fairly pleased with it. While many of you think it's the worst thing since unsliced bread, it has given me some reads, which is definitely a plus.
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hahahahaha noSeraphim is still confirmed scum
Um, yes you do. It's a very legitimate thing to say when someone delays their claim like that. Also, your logic is completely wrong because of something our little flipped scum said.ace wrote:^he knows this is all true. You don't make an offhand statement implying scum have daytalk unless you know they do.
Maru made a statement:
This basically confirms that scum DO NOT HAVE DAYTALK.Maru wrote:How is a bolded notice in a scum-QT saying to not talk, not a measure to prevent the mod from allowing talking?
I honestly am confused now.
Vote: TheJakolope
Out of all the people on the Maru wagon:
InflatablePie, Bogre, Starbuck, SleepyKrew, TheJakalope, Seraphim, Chronopie, ace5993
Jakalope is easily the best candidate for bussing scum. First of all, he does not drop a vote until he votes Maru near the end of day 1 but he does leave us with this:
Yet he doesn't vote for some reason. Anyone, at all.Jakalope wrote:Out of Seraphim, Maruchan, and SleepyKrew, one is scum
Despite his earlier statement, you also have a soft defense/distancing on Maru. It's fencesitting at its finest. Should I bus or should I stay off?
He's not scummy for this, but he's sort of scummy for this.Jakalope wrote:If anyone legitimately thinks Maruchan is scum based on his first vote, stop playing so terribly. His reaction to the votes on him is a bit scummy, but anyone that votes based on his RVS vote is ridiculous.
Then he busses Maru to bring him to L-1.
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You think that Maru wouldn't be stupid enough to drop that scumtell but somehow, for some reason, I am apparently stupid enough to "reveal" that scum have daytalk.ace wrote:both you and chrono are taking that statement out of context. It's fairly obvious that it wasn't directly referring to this game, and I don't think Maruchan would be stupid enough to make a "scumtell" like that.
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It's not a "slip". It's a thing that I have said and numerous other people have said many times in order to pressure people who are slow into making claims, sometimes claims with large holes in them. I've even had a few games where the person in question was, in fact, consulting the scum QT for advice. It's not about making an accurate statement at all: it's about making a baseless claim(you're taking too long to claim? You must be in the scum QT!) to pressure the player making a claim. If they're town and telling the truth, they won't screw up. If they're scum, they will.There's a huge difference between saying "THIS IS WHAT THE BOLDED NOTICE IN OUR QT SAID" and you off-handedly making a comment that you forgot would need insider information to make. There's never any "motivation" to make a scumtell, it was a slip. Most games I've seen are night-talk only so it doesn't make much sense for you to assume that there is daytalk.
I have a question for you: if scum do have daytalk, why did Maru make such a huge bloody deal about the entire daytalk thing? Why did that argument take place?
I can't believe you're still pushing this bullshit to account for the fact that you have absolutely no case on me.
CaptainCorporal: Your scumreads suck? Let me direct you. Today, we lynch TheJakalope. Get your vote over there now.
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I must have missed the question in your post. I apologize.
First of all, my case on TheJakalope is that he is exhibiting behavior synonymous with scum unsure whether or not he should bus his VI partner or defend him.That supposes that Jak would know about Maru's 7+ lynch thing going on. In which case it makes more sense for him to be on early, or to come on closer to the end.
He was #5 of 8, and even left his vote there after the "claim". If Jak were scum, wouldn't that be a perfect excuse to move his vote? Remember, there was no deadline pending.
Second of all, I think your information is faulty. Before the claim, Jakalope was 6 of 8 and unvoted before the claim and revoted immediately afterward because he put Maru at "L-1". After Jak's revote, I unvoted because I still had more questions and I could easily see him being "quickhammered" by someone, including himself. Once those questions were answered, I revoted and Chrono "hammered", and ace then proceeded to actually hammer.
Jak would not have changed his vote because he had already made the commitment to lynch. He put him at L-1, or at least what we perceived as L-1. In fact, it would arguable that Jak didn't even know that Maru was at perceived L-1, or forgot, because he unvoted right away! Jak read the game semi-accurately, plus he knew that his scum partner didn't have a good claim up his sleeve. Maru was dead man walking, and as soon as Jak figured that out, it was lynching time.
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Bogre definitely hasn't posted enough but I don't think that's enough to lynch him. His posting seems pretty solid so far so I'm not sure where the hate is coming from.
Twistedspoon definitely looks bad in his exchange with SK, but it's not enough for me to vote him, not today when we have practically confirmed scum in Jakalope. His turnaround on Sleepykrew for a "towntell" that HE brought up(not Maru) just stinks to all high heaven.
FoS: Twistedspoon
TS wrote:this post actually makes jakalope seem town after a readup. It sure doesn't look like bussing
TS: I think Starbuck pointed this out too, but here it is again for all the folks again. These two posts solidified my read of Jak as scum:
Jak wrote:I don't like Maruchan's "RVS" vote at all.
Jak wrote:If anyone legitimately thinks Maruchan is scum based on his first vote, stop playing so terribly.
Uhmmmmm....
Come on guys, we can deal with Twistedspoon tomorrow. JAK IS THE LYNCH TODAY.
It's called "buddying" and "WIFOM". I have a hardcore town read on Sleepy right now, so it's going to take more than this bullshit to get me to vote him.TS wrote:Maruchan is scum
maruchan tried to confirm you as town
maruchan would only want this were you scum
therefore you are scum
I want to see TheJakalope lynched ASAP. We can deal with TS tomorrow, especially if he gets back on the Jak wagon. Sleepy, I want you there too. I don't want to deal with any more useless posts of his, including voting InfPie for no stated reasoning and having incredibly shallow reads on people.
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Well of course potash is a thing. Of course the claim looks legit. Maru's claim was legit too, he just turned out to be scum.
Some questions for Jak:
Are you a Human?
if you harvest Maru tonight and get a "potash", will you be able to use an ability tonight or will harvesting cost a night action?
you cannot take a Corpse and turn him into Bones, correct?
For me, role does not equal alignment and I don't want to play the mod WIFOM game that Ace is quite yet. People unvoting better have good reasons(ace's logic makes sense but I don't know if I buy it) because Jak's play is still scummy as hell.-
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Or a very clever way to avoid full claiming to help perfect a fake claim. If he had claimed information or something, I would be fine leaving him be, but his role isn't THAT helpful, except for the Coroner, especially if he can't use anything until Night 3.
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If you can, in fact, use an ability tonight besides collecting ash, I'd say keeping you alive is the pro-town move(grump). You can use your coroner ability on whoever we lynch, if they flip Corpse. Otherwise, convert the newly dead skeleton into Ash.
But I don't think I need to tell you that.
Ask to confirm you can collect ash and use night actions and if you keep potashes if you die so you can confirm.
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Alright.
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I'll bite on this. While the unvote on Bogre is okay, pretending to unvote the main wagon is not. There's something really insincere about it.
CC, why is Cojin town, then? I was hoping you'd justify your read rather than attacking me because that sort of OMGUS shit does not sit well with me. Also, why the 180 on TS? I want more than "meta".
Twistedspoon is town and my only suspicion of him came from my FoS of him. I never stated TS as my second biggest scumread. Reread my post on that matter. I was trying to placate SleepyKrew and get him back the Jak wagon, NOT state TS as a scumread or a possible lynch candidate.-
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Hey, you're the one misrepping me to push my lynch. Stop bullshitting and start scumhunting. TS's play stunk. Yes. But I feel there's enough town in his play to counter-act his rather shitty move.
Mod: Please prod Starbuck and Chronopie, especially Chronopie
Why are/were there only two skeletons/non-humans in the game? That seems odd.
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We might as well massclaim if we're going to keep softclaiming at this rate.-
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It was a joke. I just seem to see this pattern of people getting wagoned and then them softclaiming. I mean we have had like 3 partial and full claims today. (Jakolope, TS, InfPie)No, we aren't fucking Day 2 MCing.
I was manipulating SleepyKrew. The Twistedspoon wagon was somewhat justified but I stand by my town read of him. Yes, his actions smelled. But the main point of that post was to get SleepyKrew to agree with me. Jesus, do you guys like ever manipulate anyone? You soft agree with him and placate him, then get him back to voting your way.
If you guys want to keep misrepping, go ahead, I can only hope that the rest of the town sees through your bullshit.-
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That isn't meta, BTW. Meta is using past game experience to help/contribute to a read. Liking his posting is a completely different thing, unless his posting is similar to another game you've seen him play.
Is there any particular post of his(Cojin's) that sends you happy butterflies inside?
I'm trying to scumhunt but *grumble grumble rabble rabble* People voting me do not get sandwiches.-
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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I think you're voting me based on semantics.
I played you hard man, got you back on the Jak wagon.
Yes his play was bad. But I never said he was scum. And you can keep trying to push that I flip-flopped as part of your crazy confirmation bias against me, but the fact of the matter is this: your case is bullshit(if it ever existed) and you are voting me because all of your scumreads have gone down the toilet.
How have I changed my story? Please, show me where it's happened, I beg of you.-
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Seraphim she/herJack of All Tradesshe/her
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Current scumreads.Sera, how have my scumreads gone down the toilet?
Maru? Can't lynch him, he's dead.
Jak? Can't lynch him, provable claim.
TS? Can't lynch him, confirmed and un-millerized.
Leaving me pretty much who you ignored up until you ran out of people to vote.
Also, answer this please.How have I changed my story? Please, show me where it's happened, I beg of you.-
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