Scummies 2011 Nominations

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The Town of Blackest Night Mafia

for

Best Performance Pro Town Team

- Successfully lynched scum players for five straight Days (Days 1 to 5) and vigged two more scum players. The Town completely destroyed the known original 9 scum roles by the Dawn of Day 6 and lost a 5 player endgame due to a Cult that was unknown at game's start.

1) Doesn't Town have to -win- to be considered?
2) With as many power roles flying around as there were, one would hope they COULD do this.

I read that game, town did win. Cults are flaming bullshit and that's one of the reasons why. Setup was absurdly unbalanced. I mean among other things, you don't declare it a semi-open setup with known alignments then fail to mention that there's an OMG extra alignment that was outside the setup...

Serial killers you can at least detect. Cults run screening - you never know they exist, and all the best players are always part of them, meaning that by day 3/4, the cult leader is virtually unlynchable, and due to being "non-noticeable town" (while the cult members are being real townie and running screening) he's damn near immune to the NK.

If EVERYONE goes cult hunting from day 1, you have a shot.

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Anyway, my first nomination:

Parama's Multiple Personality Mafia

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15977

Nominate: Best Pro-Town Performance
Nominate: Most Enjoyable Game

Nominate: (New Category) Most enjoyable poster: Fate

I think this about summarizes what happened:
(20 players, 5 scum 15 town, all scum same team)

Day 1:
Town vig

Scum Lynch

No NK
Day 2:

Scum Vig
Scum Lynch

Town death
Day 3:
Town lynch (scum lynch was governored)

Scum Vigged

Town death

Yep. That's right, by day 4, there was 1 scum left.

None of this was due to information from power roles. Just the best team of scumhunters I've ever played with. Even when the game was stalled, the thread maintained a sanity level somewhere on the order of ridiculously nuts.

Also, seriously read Fate's contributions to the game. They were fucking excellent, and I don't hand that praise out lightly. He fit flavorful writing and poetry into absolutely evil levels of observational power. He kept the scumteam constantly off guard, while we all enjoyed his posts (I don't think a single person wasn't saying "what will Fate post next?").

The last two scumteam members might deserve "best fight in support of a loosing cause" just for the effort they were putting into the day 4 plans when it was obvious where they were. Llamarble didn't go down without a fight, posting an incredible pro-town post after being informed he was vigged in case it was (another) gambit, and Magua replaced into a slot that was unsalvagable, and not only didn't whine about his predecessors, but did his damnedest to come off as town.

P.S.

Read Fate's contributions

If you don't, you have NO IDEA what you are missing.

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Nominate: (New Category) Most enjoyable poster: Fate

If there is going to be a strong push about bringing back an old category (Best Effort in a Losing Cause) then there is no way there is going to be a new category added just based on your man-crush.

And generally it's considered bad form to self-nominate (ie a member of Town nominating best Pro-Town performance).

Huh, I'll file that bad form stuff under things I care about.

If I think my fellow town members have done an outstanding, excellent job I'll nominate them. If I don't, I won't. It's a team game - occasionally one person carries the side, but that didn't happen here. My team did an outstanding job, yes. I like to think I contributed to it - but it wasn't me who was the MVP. Hard to say who was - there were so many things going wrong for the scum team from so many angles, really a team effort.

I enjoyed reading every one of Fate's posts in the thread. So I nommed for that, and recommend other people do too - it's not standard Fate at all (although what is "standard?").

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Nominate: Olinea for Best Flavor Text

For Open: 288
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=14371

Totally deserves it. I know a lot of Mini Themes get it, but he took an Open, and made it really, really work from a flavor perspective. Well, as much as a hospital with two vigilantes, a serial killer, and a mafia squad can work. Excellent, excellent writing job.

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Why does everyone around here think that anyone who is remotely competent is an alt?

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Oh.

You guys aren't that different from MTGS. A little better, on average, and less dumb setups that make me cry, but overall wasn't a huge dose of cold water. Of course I've only been there a few months, and scum there are dumber on average. They just have less resources for 'catching scum' and thus less resources for the scum to learn from

Also it's cliquish as hell and the moderators are known to do things like occasionally give their friends the cool PRs or the faction they want, so when that was acceptable, well, that was the end of

that

for me.

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Nominate TwoHeadedBoy (fugi/pie) for most cunning manipulation

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=1875

Their entire play was excellent, but CORRECTLY pegging the town cop then instigating the cop into investigating them as the MAFIA GODFATHER then finishing the game as confirmed town was just insanely good.

Somehow this was overlooked in the nominations

I thought it had been nominated because so many people mentioned that that play deserved it.

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Nominate TwoHeadedBoy (fugi/pie) for most cunning manipulation

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=1875

Their entire play was excellent, but CORRECTLY pegging the town cop then instigating the cop into investigating them as the MAFIA GODFATHER then finishing the game as confirmed town was just insanely good.

Somehow this was overlooked in the nominations

I thought it had been nominated because so many people mentioned that that play deserved it.

I thought someone else was going to do it.

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, regardless. You could also theoretically nominate the whole scumteam, but admittedly, THB was the main driving force for them.

Nah. Nhamman was (to be frank) horrible, and so was Hoppster. Pine was at best alright. If it wasn't for THB, it would have been apathetic scummy lurking scumteam versus apathetic scummy lurking town, but he managed to kick the town in exactly the wrong direction at all the critical moments.

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Nominate

Fritzler

for

Funniest Role Claim

in Square Enix Mafia Gaiden: The Outsiders for his claim of Irvine Kinneas, sex cop.

Third, fourth, Nth, whatever.

I was laughing HYSTERICALLY in the dead thread.

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Town won Color Concentration mainly through scum bungling up a lot. Two obvscum going down early, then my other scumbuddy screwing me... I'm trying my best to be sportsmanlike, but I feel town deserves more effort than that to get a nomination.

Oh bollocks. I've seen obvscum live straight until endgame and then the town finds out they were scum all along.

You let the obvtown back you guys into a corner, and instead of the rest of the scumteam pushing out for other lynches and starting other wagons, they bussed mercilessly. Which was miserable, because as soon as there were no other wagons occurring, townies had to ask 'well who was bussing' and you guys always came out as incredibly bad.

The town had strong leadership (Glass, Ghostlin), strong analysts (Rhinocke) and strong attackers (Hot Dogs, once he got rolling).

They played brilliantly, stuck your team on the defensive, and never gave you any holes to capitalize on. With potentially 2 kills a night, and a 9:4 setup, your team got roflstomped.

Played with scum Glass twice now, and really really looking forward to playing with town glass.

2nd, Nth, whatever

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@ GreyICE: Even if you get it into the Scummies successfully, it is going to get beat out by more COMPETENT towns...

@CSL: Maybe if you once in your career played a game where you were competent town I'd have some faith in the idea that you know what a competent town looks like.

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Meh, I still don't see where CSL gets off implying they were incompetent.

There's no question they played a very good game, and I was impressed by what I read. Did the mafia play a very bad game? Yeah, maybe. I mean MPM was similar (in that I thought it was a good town, and the mafia played so poorly a lot of that skill wasn't even needed).

I liked it enough to Nth, so I did.

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Nominate Chesskid for something

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/barn on Yos
/disagree on VPB (he was fairly obviously town, he wasn't in the QT)

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Come on twinkle toes, you know you can laugh

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Also the scum beloved princess was v. fair and balanced

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3rd

Very smooth, solid mechanic. I'd def be game to play in Marketplace 2.

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Buncha emo donks.

TBM has done like... What for the site? But he's whining about a self-nom?

Nth

Self-noms are fine. If you deserve it you should be recognized; if you really don't, well, lol.

People should selflessly do things for no recognition, and most of the people saying that have done nothing.

Dubs lol at Fate, who cries at me all the time for "not giving him the recognition he deserves." Hypocrite.

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If you don't self-advertise, why expect others to?

Vi has done tons, we all know it, including Vi.

If Vi only did it for recognition... Who cares? It needed to be done, it was a ton of work, Vi did a great job. Not hung up on motives, Vi should have the recognition.

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Just shut the fuck up Grey

Dubs lol at Fate, who cries at me all the time for "not giving him the recognition he deserves." Hypocrite.

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Basic understanding from me says that every player should have a fair shot of winning it. LLD didn't have that. No one is going to win best newbie off of 4 months of play when there's people who had full 12. You just don't have the body of work that a 12 month player has.

Making it something like February or March is probably much fairer. At least until someone shows me that a player who played on site 4 months was ever seriously considered for the award EVER in the past (doesn't have to win, but show serious consideration for a 4 month poster in any past scummies (all current nominees have been on site far longer).

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Basic understanding from me says that every player should have a fair shot of winning it. LLD didn't have that. No one is going to win best newbie off of 4 months of play when there's people who had full 12. You just don't have the body of work that a 12 month player has.

Making it something like February or March is probably much fairer. At least until someone shows me that a player who played on site 4 months was ever seriously considered for the award EVER in the past (doesn't have to win, but show serious consideration for a 4 month poster in any past scummies (all current nominees have been on site far longer).

And then in a year someone who joined in January or February (based off your February or March statement) will complain.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

Unless you said can be nominated for any game that was completed within your first year of joining the site.

Think before you post, it works better.

I'm going to offer you two complaints. Your goal is to show they're exactly equal:

"Wow, that test was unfair. It was closed book, covered material we never studied in class and used an equation we never learned."
"Wow, that test was unfair. The questions were really tough and it covered a ton of material for an hour long test, even if it was open book."

Of course there will be complaints. BUT SOME COMPLAINTS ARE FUCKING VALID AND SOME AIN'T.

LLD's complaint was valid. The complaint in your example wasn't. Do you see why you fail?

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All that said, maybe we should start awarding "Best Newbie" on a semi-annual basis (first half/second half). Actually give the award when the scummy first half committee makes their decisions. That'll make the Best Newbie award mean sometime more anyway as the player who holds that award will actually BE really new rather than be, in internet time, a fairly experienced player.

That probably would solve the problem.

Tans argument was fail, and to top it off one of those lines of argument that drive me insane. "There will always be complaints therefore all complaints are automatically invalid" is the height of bad reasoning.

Lets solve it another way too.

Nominate Lady Lambdadelta for Most Improved Player

Since she's not a newbie. That should get nthed in about 12 seconds

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Just a question, if you start in August of 2010 and get nominated for a game that you finished in say december 2010 you can be nominated for 2011 scummy for newbie for 2010, but what happens if you also do a great game in march 2011 - can you be nominated again in 2012 for best newbie?

Slippery slope and all that jazz.

Waiting for GI's awesome insult for the above sentence.

Actually you posted that sentence, and now you have to live with that fact for the rest of your life.

There's just very little I could add to that.

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You don't agree?

You start making one exception, and then another, etc etc.

Are you unfamiliar with that expression?

Yah, that's slippery slope. I suggested the rules were defective, and needed changing. So slippery slope doesn't apply since there's no exceptions. That alone would have made the idea pretty dumb.

But look at what you did there. User X joined in 08/10. He was nominated for best newbie off a game in 12/10. So he should have a shot at 2011 (the same way a user who joined in 10/10 would have a shot in 2011 for a game that finished in 12/10). You further went on to hypothesize about a game that finished in 03/11 and was nominated in 2012...

NINE MONTHS LATER.

If no one gave a shit for nine months... what?

It wasn't a slippery slope fallacy, it was an 'epic failure' fallacy. I'm just going to ignore you now, you've obviously decided that what you want to have happen, and are not arguing based off logic or reason, just off the desire to hit post reply until everyone agrees with you.

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Yes sorry I assumed watsd was well designed enough that your claim was impossible and having a scumread on you when you were the sk, feysal.

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'kay

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Third GreyICE

In Sherlock Holmes Mafia, he not only was a major player in tagging scum, he bluffed Mafia into wasting their kill on him instead of the claimed tracker by pretending to be an unlimited jailkeeper instead of a one-shot.

That seems like a derpy gambit that has the potential for immense harm and little gain.

At the time, I was looking at the following:

2 dead scum
Two outed PRs
Town Doctor dead

Tracker was confirming town with every night kill. If both PRs were town, then my plan ensured the tracker lived two nights, confirmed a town each night. That left us, when the tracker died, with 3 living players and two confirmed town, or one confirmed scum.

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All truly great scum plays are the results of surfing raw chaos and landing on a gold mine.

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Nth to the Nth

Well done.

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Yeah, maybe it's preferable to have someone else nominate, but realistically for a town nomination that leaves roughly 4 people who might potentially nominate the town: the scum members and the moderator. Maybe someone else comes in and sees it, but it's unlikely. A self-nomination in this case is fine.

The problem with self-nominations is that it sounds entitled, lacks humility, etc. When a self-nom for a team goes up those problems are defanged because it takes more humility to say, "I had a great team."

Which is all BS.

Self noms are fine in all circumstances. If you really don't deserve it, you just look like a right twat.

3rd and/or nth Back to the Future

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There was a lot of town power, and the setup confirming many roles didn't help, but yeah, we got lucky.

Then again we were up against a cop, 2 trackers, a doctor, an even night vig, a bulletproof, and a universal backup, we needed to get lucky.

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It's almost like mass claim would have been pro town.

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God the raw level of overpower that town had...