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[Vifam]

VOTE: ProjectMatt

[Vifam]

Don't worry David, he will get his.


Soon...Soon.

[Vifam]

Why is David Scum?

[Vifam]

I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row. We can PoE through them if need be, but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.

Asking a player about a scumread is "Anti Town"?

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I feel that there can't be two townies who ask the same exact anti-town question in a row. We can PoE through them if need be, but there's so much scum motivation between the two of them that I feel one of them need to die.

Why are you setting us up for two specific lynches?

Asking somebody to explain their read isn't any kind of tell at all. Don't be that person.

Why is David scum?


At least bother to answer the question that started DH's derp vote on Xeras.

[Vifam]

"C'mon DH they're just asking me to explain myself don't be on their case about it"



-----Forget to explain.

[Vifam]

Don't pull that mess.


Why is David scum?

[Vifam]

Good enough.

Unvote

Did you honestly expect me to have a solid scum read on page one? The purpose was to get out of RVS conversation going.

No, I had the same goal as you. I didn't take you literally but it was a good topic to push on. BUT:



What prompted you to unvote David when he hasn't really done anything yet?

[Vifam]

Oh wait, I understand.


UNVOTE:

[Vifam]

Unvote

It's time to quicklynch David Xantos. He is scum.

Vote: David Xantos

This vote doesn't need interrogation. It's very obviously pressure and asking a "why" behind it shows a

little bit

of "Let me try to see if I can undermine this vote". There is plenty of "I really want to know why the vote is there", which could be newbie logic (not getting the pressure behind the vote), but there is that little bit of scum motivation.

It IS anti-town, but one person doing it is fine. Two people doing in a row is weird and shows blatant off motivation.

Uhm, we are in the RVS stage, the whole point is to get out and start discussion, and I think asking about a scumread on page 1 is a good way to start discussion.

[Vifam]

Vifam, did you read Xeras' reply to projectmatt before you asked that question?

Yes, I did, mostly because I thought it would be kind of comical.

Repeating what Xeras said was more of a joke but I was just as curious at Matt's scumread as Xeras was. I don't see what copying what he said is "Anti town" when really all it did was apply some pressure to Matt to explain her "scumread". And I kept up with that as the discussion kept on.

[Vifam]

Bleh


This wagon kind of fails, I don't think Isa not being straightforward in her initial vote is a scum give away.

[Vifam]

I don't think it's that anymore.. to me it's more the deflection and the fact she's apparently loathe to give any detail.. :/

I see no deflection, I see a townie trying to extinguish an argument, really.

[Vifam]

You guys are lame.


VOTE: Sunset

[Vifam]

Why not just read the thread and comment on everything when you're done, it's three pages long.

[Vifam]

That's delightfully annoying and if you're going to do that EVERY catch up we are going to have a problem.


Why the vote on DH?

[Vifam]

hnng


UNVOTE:


VOTE: VanillaCupcake


Ignoring a thread four pages into the day? Not cool, man.

[Vifam]

The random vote stems because I am not getting a strong read on anyone right now. Isa isn't ringing as scum to me.


Vanilla posted in a game earlier, I just wanted to point out he that he seemed to not be paying any attention to this thread despite it being a very brief read, how does that make my vote "Terrible"?

[Vifam]

Actually


UNVOTE:


VOTE: Diddin

Also don't get why Hoppster is the god of towniness for everyone

Undermining Hoppster while hopping on the wagon on "scum" that Hoppster himself created.

[Vifam]

Actually


UNVOTE:


VOTE: Diddin

Also don't get why Hoppster is the god of towniness for everyone

Undermining Hoppster while hopping on the wagon on "scum" that Hoppster himself created.

So we're in agreement on something. I'm just saying that I don't have as strong of a townread on Hoppster as other people do. He's null-town for now.

"Agreement"

What?

[Vifam]

Why would I put quotations around scum if I believed Isa was scum <_<

[Vifam]

I don't understand how the guy who started a wagon on your biggest scumread 5 pages in would become a null-read.



Seeing how most of his posting has been reasoning on Isascum, I can't see anyway you would have a null-read on him. If it were me I couldn't have helped but put Hoppster down on the town list.


What are your other reads, Diddin?

[Vifam]

No, I was implying the null-town thing, sorry for not being specific

I can't wrap my head on why you don't think he's not a solid town yet fypov, I realize it's early in the game but he's started a wagon on your TOP scumread.


Maybe you're a little more of a wait and see guy, I don't know.

[Vifam]

The BULK of Hoppster's posting has been about Isa, I can't imagine myself reading some guy put scum into a partner and then going "Well for now he's just LEANING town". It doesn't make sense to me.

[Vifam]

Scum into a corner* , osrry.

[Vifam]

The above post is good.


Scumread on Isa? NO PROBLEM SHE'S SCUM I'M SURE OF IT


Solid Townread? WELL LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT


Diddin's been playing incredibly opportunistically.

[Vifam]

Yeah, I just confused her Pink Lemonade :/

[Vifam]

In my defense I only took one look at the playerlist and I saw VanillaCupcake post and I thought "Whoa isn't that guy in this game". I was wrong, but yeah...

[Vifam]

DH, do you see a VanillaCupcake in this game?

@Vifam: Where did you see the name VanillaCupcake?

The name showed up on the "Recently post" thing, and I when I clicked I thought she was in the game and just blatantly ignoring it <_<



Thanks to that I know PinkLemonader =/= VanillaCupcake, though.

[Vifam]

Demon, what do you think of Diddin so far?

[Vifam]

Are you playing the right game Vifam?

I'm pretty sure. It's evident I need to take a better look at the player list, though. I could have sworn

That's the way I work. I find that trust is harder to develop than mistrust. By extension, it takes me longer to develop townreads than scumreads.

If you have the ability to develop a solid scumread D1, five pages in the game, I don't see why you just can't as easily figure out who is town. It's certainly less of a bigger leap.

According to the memberlist, there's no "Pinklemonader"...

Don't nitpick man, it's getting late over here.

[Vifam]

Main page, near the top, above queue, "view unread posts".

This.

You've never seen it?

[Vifam]

BEFORE I PACK UP:


Town:

DH
Hoppster
Isa


Null-Town:

Xeras


Null:
Bunnylover


Null-Scum:
David
Diddin


And to preemptively strike down everyone who will ask for reasoning on the David Xanthos FOS, check his ISO, it's all fluff. Every bit of it.

Good Night.

[Vifam]

What? I've commented on Isa wagon.

[Vifam]

Um, matt, I certainly didn't set up a lynch. In fact, I was never committed and I noted that specifically.

projectmatt, please comment on this. Avoiding this will warrant a vote.

Ultimatums rub me the wrong way.


Have not read the PM case yet, I'll get right on it.

[Vifam]

2. So, what you are trying to say is that I got worried that you called me out for OMGUS'ing, decided to declare you an obvious scum to try to get you lynched, and then I decided to screw with Vifam by saying "why do you think I called David scum?".

Oh man, that's masterful.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DavidXanthos


Previous post supply nothing but fluff and attack on ProjectMatt is weak at best.


Still not enjoying the Isa wagon.

[Vifam]

ProjectMatt isn't scum.


Jesus christ, do you all have a "wagon everyone but scum" as the win con in your role PM?

[Vifam]

His posting is town, his defense doesn't even scream scum like you're saying, you only think it does because you're both having a one on one argument.

[Vifam]

one line does not convince me.

I really don't know what to tell you. I feel like anything I say you will still be pushing this silly wagon.

[Vifam]

Try me.

Alright.


His questioning towards DH seemed town, his defense is very In-Your-Face and I don't think scum would respond to your case the way he did.



As of now, you're leaning town, Kcd, out of the two people on this lynch David is easily the scummiest. And I'm assuming BOTH scum wouldn't be on this lynch when Isa is such a prominent wagon.

[Vifam]

O.O

okay.. first things first.

@ the bit about DH: How? as in the tone?

@ defense: Okay but why is he so intent on me backing off? as to going as far as to vote me?

And at that last bit....


"Both"? .... "BOTH"?

.... ooooooooo kaaaaaaayy.

What made you say that?

1. Tone, also the nature in which the questioning was brought up.

2. Your attack on him would make me want to react the same way, just saying.


There are usually more then one scum in a theme game. Hence "both" but, implying there are more then one.

[Vifam]

No I'm not, I'm implying more than one.


Even if I wasn't do you REALLY think there are two scum in this setup?

[Vifam]

It doesn't imply inside anything, we know there are more then one scum, Heck, we can assume there are more then two. Where are you going with this? Seriously.

[Vifam]

If you're going to stand here and tell me there is no way to know there is not multiple scum in this game I am going to laugh in your face.

[Vifam]

Alright, this is the only wagon that you guys put up that I want to be apart of:


UNVOTE:


VOTE: RBT

[Vifam]

What the fuck, Diddin? Those posts were EARLY in the game, not only that, but you're implying I had some type of prior town-read on him.

[Vifam]

What the fuck, Diddin? Those posts were EARLY in the game, not only that, but you're implying I had some type of prior town-read on him.

o umad bro

I just don't think it's natural that you're quasi-defending David, then when you post reads you're like "Oh hey David is scum just read his ISO."

Asking about ProjectMatt's scumread two pages in isn't a defense of David.

[Vifam]

He also only has like 4 posts.

I don't see how that makes him look any better...

[Vifam]

PinkLemonade isn't something that would fit the flavor of this game anyway :/

[Vifam]

Stormer is doing the exact same thing, but I think even worse.

[Vifam]

What about Stormer?



He's had three post and 2/3 of those are jumping on every single wagon...

[Vifam]

The whole point of my vote on that is that he was "ignoring" the thread, if he DID say something about this game why the heck would I put my vote up?



This is hypothetical but holy shit, you're not even making sense

[Vifam]

I'd say those other two games show a lot more effort, actually.

[Vifam]

I skimmed it and I didn't see any cringe worthy insults and there was actually reasoning here and there.

[Vifam]

I skimmed it and I didn't see any cringe worthy insults and there was actually reasoning here and there.

If you're going to try to counter-point me then try reading not skimming.

I read it (Well, the first one), and I saw him ACTUALLY TRYING.


As of now every effort to extract information from her she's artfully dodged, in the game sunny posted there was actually some intent to try and communicate with the town.


Right now? Nope, he isn't even trying to meet us halfway.

[Vifam]

His play from the game Sunny posted is significantly better.

[Vifam]

I mean, it's still bad, but holy shit, there was an ATTEMPT.

Right now he isn't even trying.

[Vifam]

Uhm, why am I no longer in the VC?

[Vifam]

:O



Seriously though, this is strange, wouldn't the mod usually copy + paste from the old VC or something? Why would I not show up?

[Vifam]

Where are you getting that connection?

[Vifam]

I don't think it's an "act".

[Vifam]

I'm already voting him.


I think.



VOTE: RBT

[Vifam]

@Mod was me being out of the Vote Count a mistake?

Yes.

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Whoa

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VOTE: BunnyLover

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VOTE: BunnyLover

The last time you mentioned BL in your ISO she was a null read. Die, scum.

Vote: Vifam

Yeah, null.

Meaning leaning anyway, and right now he's leaning scum, problem?


I agree with everything said so far about BunnyLover this day, he's never really scumhunted and for that, he needs to die.

[Vifam]

That was a terrible attack, I've already said this but

FoS:Diddin

[Vifam]

he had scum reads, though KCDA. Other than for getting an easy lynch, what other explanations are there for that vote? How about town motivation? Its scummy as fuck

Agreeing with other people is scummy?



BunnyLover, who was reading null, has developed into a scumread because, like others have said he's done NO scumhunting, and as it stands, he has more votes on him.


Yeah, I have other scumreads, if it comes to the point where I'm no longer comfortable with my vote, I'll vote them.

[Vifam]

@Vifam: So your voting me because I've done no scum hunting and have the most votes on me o-o?

Yeah, basically.

[Vifam]

I don't think anyone was "ignoring" BL, it's just that there was more focus on RBT's scummy/antitown play. It simply stood out more.

[Vifam]

I don't like how DH is now turning BL in some sort of scapegoat, while I feel he was the driving force Day1, and seems he's taken over now today, and not getting any problems with it.

Vote: DemonHydrid.

Vifam is coming in as a close second,

Why is that?

[Vifam]

Lynching the VI's is bad.

Vote: Jake

Bunny and Jake are my top scum reads. Want to get Jake today. It's Labor Day, so I'll be away for a while. More later.

Jakalope's a VI too

I don't like how DH is now turning BL in some sort of scapegoat, while I feel he was the driving force Day1, and seems he's taken over now today, and not getting any problems with it.

Vote: DemonHydrid.

Vifam is coming in as a close second,

This is just *badposting*.

Looks like Vifam isn't happening today. I'm satisfied with the Bunny wagon from what other people have said.

Unvote, Vote: Bunnylover

What? NOW you're backing off? If you're so sure I am scum why don't you try and convince everyone? For all this build you up you always seem to back off in favor of another wagon.

[Vifam]

"Day 2 Starts"


"OH YEAH VIFAM IS OBVSCUM LOLOLO"


"OH WAIT LOOKS LIKE I CAN'T START A WAGON ON VIFAM, GUESS I'LL SHEEP THIS"

[Vifam]

vifam shut up. i just realized, we are the VIs.

:O

[Vifam]

What do you mean?

[Vifam]

Actually if it means we can lynch Diddinscum or BunnyLoverscum I am okay with this.

[Vifam]

NO.

IT MEANS WE ARE FULL OF STUPID AND EVERYTHING WE SAY IS WRONG.

WE WILL BE THE PEOPLE SAVED FOR LYLO FOR SCUM KNOWS WE WILL FUCK UP ROYALLY.

I feel like i wanna cry.

If that were to happen, I'd lynch scum.


And not a single townie will be lynched that day.

[Vifam]

If I was put into that situation I'm sure I'd muster enough strength to lynch scum.

[Vifam]

"Day 2 Starts"


"OH YEAH VIFAM IS OBVSCUM LOLOLO"


"OH WAIT LOOKS LIKE I CAN'T START A WAGON ON VIFAM, GUESS I'LL SHEEP THIS"

I'd rather be on a Scumlynch that can actually happen then be sitting being the only vote on another scum.

So why didn't you vote BunnyLover originally? Why did you start out with your initial vote on me when a BunnyLover wagon was OBVIOUSLY building up.


No, you're scum.

[Vifam]

"Day 2 Starts"


"OH YEAH VIFAM IS OBVSCUM LOLOLO"


"OH WAIT LOOKS LIKE I CAN'T START A WAGON ON VIFAM, GUESS I'LL SHEEP THIS"

I'd rather be on a Scumlynch that can actually happen then be sitting being the only vote on another scum.

So why didn't you vote BunnyLover originally? Why did you start out with your initial vote on me when a BunnyLover wagon was OBVIOUSLY building up.


No, you're scum.

Idunno, because I thought I could start a wagon on you leading to a lynch? Pity me for trying to make a case on someone.


Jak wagon is eh I'd prefer a Bunny lynch.

You didn't make a case, you've decided to give up and fall back on the BunnyLover wagon. Which you've done more then once.

[Vifam]

Prodget.

I really don't have anything to say, my scumreads are still intact.

[Vifam]

I don't see how that's scummy at all, but whatever.


Nothing is happening.

[Vifam]

What the hell.

[Vifam]

So why has BunnyLover been allowed to active lurk through this game?

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:

[Vifam]

VOTE: Diddin



I want to his lynch today, case on WLC isn't bad but Diddin NEEDS to die.

[Vifam]

Why exactly are we mass-claiming?

[Vifam]

How many empty slots of players are left?


I'd be inclined with vigging one of them.

[Vifam]

That pretty much clears Jako, right?

[Vifam]

Okay Jako is confirmed town from the looks of it.


BunnyLover is also confirmed town.



How do we know there isn't a scum with a dayvig ability in this setup?

[Vifam]

Eaten.

I'm not sure I dig that flavor.

Vote: Xeras

Yoshi's swallow things all the time. The flavor is fine.

[Vifam]

You know who else eats things?



Food for thought.

Good Point.


Why is there a wagon on Xeras?

[Vifam]

VOTE: Diddin

[Vifam]

Vote:Deadline Extension

[Vifam]

Vote: Xeras

This is the lynch today. My alignment can be dealt with overnight if necessary.

DH is WIFOMing up a storm, btw.

Your play has been abysmal pretty much constantly and it's pretty obvious that you used your daykill as a crutch.

PEdit:

Vote: Deadline Extension

THIS

Diddin is scum, he's OMGUSES CONSTANTLY, and is literally hopping on the Xeras wagon for no real reason.

He needs to go.

[Vifam]

Your play has been increasingly scummy this whole game.


And why would you dayvig near deadline when you would just be instantly lynched the next day?

[Vifam]

Yeah, and his only argument that he would shoot near deadline doesn't make sense since it would just confirm himself as scum.


Fuck that noise.

[Vifam]

Hopefullly by the time the deadline comes up we will have a deadline extension.

[Vifam]

Now we can lift this wagon off the ground, awesome.

[Vifam]

No

Diddin really has to go.

[Vifam]

Okay scum. Good to know your opinion.

Okay, can you explain why you think Diddin is town?

[Vifam]

I suppose a massclaim.

[Vifam]

I suppose a massclaim.

....Why?

Scum supposedly have fakeclaims, if that's true, I'd rather have them claim now rather than later.

[Vifam]

So, are we massclaiming or what? I'd like to go first.

[Vifam]

I'd like to know the results of any and all investigations too, ESPECIALLY if they were on me.

[Vifam]

Why


Not

[Vifam]

I'd like to know the results of any and all investigations too, ESPECIALLY if they were on me.

What?

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

[Vifam]

I am still desperatly waiting for you guys to massclaim.


AT THE VERY LEAST SPEAK UP IF YOU INVESTIGATED ME/DOC'D ME/ WHATEVER

[Vifam]

You looked at him. certianly you would have said a read before then RIGHT?

Vifam shut up. NO MC pl0x lynch PM.


LOL LOL LOL

It's a pretty big fucking deal.


I'm serious, if any PR's visited me in the night, speak up now, or I swear to god.

[Vifam]

You looked at him. certianly you would have said a read before then RIGHT?

Vifam shut up. NO MC pl0x lynch PM.


LOL LOL LOL

It's a pretty big fucking deal.


I'm serious, if any PR's visited me in the night, speak up now, or I swear to god.

JUST FUCKING CLAIM MILLER

I will claim once someone confirms they visited me.

Cuz I know they did.

[Vifam]

I

was

responding to it. Maybe you didn't see?

Vifam: is the guy you mention a scumread of yours PRIOR to the visit?

He was a null leaning scum.

I really just want him to claim if he visited me.

[Vifam]

So, are we massclaiming or what? I'd like to go first.

How about this. If you claim I will. <3

Okay I am down.

[Vifam]

So I am Paratroops, Island CounterAttacker.


Anyone who visits me with a passive ability dies the next night.

I'm informed who visits me, and it was Ranmaru.

Which is why he needs to claim right now.

[Vifam]

And by right now I mean

RIGHT NOW

[Vifam]

He's dying anyway.

Your cases are all fine and dandy but a claim is necessary here.

[Vifam]

He said that he was informed that Ranmaru visited him.
In order for that to be true, Ranmaru would have had to visit him last night or else he would be dead by now.
You guys, Ranmaru replaced out of this game well before last night.
I replaced him last night, so if he was visited, he would have been informed that Warriormode visited him NOT Ranmaru.
I can definitely tell you that I did NOT visit Vifam last night.
NO ONE needs to claim today. Vifam is SCUM!

Unvote, Vote: Vifam

Yeah, pretty sure scum can use the ability of other scum.


Claim, now.

[Vifam]

umm point to WLC.

Is it that they visited you WITH a passive ability or THAT they HAVE a passive ability and visited you?

Visited with.

[Vifam]

Yea guys, I can confirm that neither I nor Ran visited Vifam.
Vifam is lying, I have said enough reasons to believe Vifam is lying about me or Ran visiting him.
That is all, I have class now, more posts later.

Then you're scum.

Peace

[Vifam]

Vifam - how can someone visit you using a passive ability? doesn't make sense to me. WLC pointed this out earlier.

Pretty sure Passive in this regard means "Anything that doesn't kill me".

[Vifam]

I think I've misread my role. Although I was claiming by pure memory at first.

MY ability is passive, the person visiting me must be active.

[Vifam]

I think I've misread my role. Although I was claiming by pure memory at first.

MY ability is passive, the person visiting me must be active.

I also want you to say everyone who visited you, and what night please.

You

Night Two.

[Vifam]

If it was any other night, there would be two deaths Day Two.

[Vifam]

Day Three*

[Vifam]

the username you were told is what I'm looking for.

Ranmaru, I've already said that.

[Vifam]

Whoa, here

[Vifam]

VOTE: ProjectMatt


I just want to get to D4 so I can see delicious scum death.

[Vifam]

VOTE: ProjectMatt


I just want to get to D4 so I can see delicious scum death.

Unvote. Vote: Vifam

Screw the scenario's, I think Vifam is scum.

Have you not paid attention to ANYTHING?

[Vifam]

LET ME WRITE YOU A MAP

1.RANMARU VISITS ME


2. STEP TWO, HE DIES, HE FLIPS SCUM.

IF STEP 2 DOESN'T HAPPEN YOU CAN STRING ME UP OR WHATEVER.

[Vifam]

All of your questions have already been answered.

[Vifam]

Oh, we won. Nice

[Vifam]

I did "plan this" but only because I knew I was scums last hope and there was no way I could act town through all of this.

Whatever, I guess.