The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

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hey yal

vote mastermind of sin

nice random vote m8.

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dear gandalf are you claiming a win con that is not the town win con?

please clarify!

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oh hi ludi :]

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yeah im into a gandalf lynch unless he can in some way explain how his win condition is pro town. theres no reason to leave claimed third party alive.

holding off on the vote until he explains it better at least.

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so why are you asking us instead of pming plum for a clarification on your win con?

unvote vote gandalf

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meh, the last few times I have seen a claimed third party lynch get run up, the instigators of the lynch were scum.

find not town, lynch not town. you can say i was trying to do it for town cred later on but its a bit early for that.

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Also, claimed third party are better saved for Vigfodder than Lynchfodder. For super srs.

we dont know if theres vigs in this setup or not. we dont know if hes bp or not. theres no reason not to lynch at this point where we can spare it.

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ludi it depends on the nature of the third party. im guessing from what gandalf has told us so far hes some sort of lyncher/reverse lyncher who needs certain people dead/not dead. in that case it depends on whether or not his dead/alive targets are scum/town. theres no way for us to know this so i would err on the side of caution and say it is pro town to lynch.

there is also the situation where he is directly anti town third party who is trying to claim some middle ground third party in the hopes of getting an easy ride out of it.

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lol oversoul.

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quicklynch errday.

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i also dont know a thing about the flavor.

andrius if gandalf is town why would he claim third party? he has claimed that he doesnt know if his role is pro town or anti town, so i see no reason to believe that it is pro town.

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as winning with scum = no-go as he'd get endgamed for sure.

what. third party can definitely win with scum, see: survivor and lyncher/reverse lyncher (what gandalf probably is)

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Dislike that we are having a serious day one. I hate games that do that.

whats wrong with serious day ones? the sooner shit gets real the better.

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also if you think gandals claim is bullshit wheres your vote

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so you would rather.. what, everyone just not scum hunt d1 and randomly lynch someone?

so you think gandalf is lying about his claim but is town then?

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whether or not you believe his claim isnt the issue, its whether or not you think he is third party that is beneficial or detrimental to town.

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i stand by lynching claimed third party. its possible there is scum on the gandalf wagon because it is the "town thing to do" but i think it is more likely that scum are on the sidelines waiting to try and lynch someone off of the gandalf wagon. claimed third party can be saved for a nonscum lynch down the road, and if they can convert an early push on the third party into a town lynch, all the better. im still into a gandalf lynch, but ill take a look and see if any of these people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon look scum to me.

spyrex's play does seem odd, but i dont think its scum play.

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thatd b pretty dope ill scum team w. u ne day kats~ is it too late to get new role pms so we can make it happen?

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you think its scummier to lynch someone you dont think has a protown win con than it is to express interest in lynching a vi???

really?

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Will-o-wisp, what do you mean by personal vendettas?

Nothing related to this game, just vendetta that this head (Oversoul) has with 3 of players in this game. I promise you it isn't an aspect of this game, just me venting steam.

- Oversoul

lol what the heck?? are you being serious right now?

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nah

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eagerly awaiting my meta reads. edge of my seat here.

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@Kayne- do you undersatnd the difference based on Esp's 285?

i do but i had zero reason to believe he was not an anti-town third party. if you look back in my iso you will see that i initially began by questioning his wincon for more specifics to see if he was pro-town or not. i received no indication that he was pro-town so i put my vote on him.

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oh hey look at that, the claimed third party (but not really!) doesnt want to scum hunt. gut i like my vote where it is tyvm.

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The game has progressed quite a bit since I first asked you this, but I still want to know the answer

if i had a strong scum read my vote would be on that person instead of gandalf.

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kat (feysal) wagon is bs, kanye wagon is bs

snm wouldnt be bad, nor would wow, but gandalf is still todays best lynch imho~

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glad to have your support buddy

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sorry to hear that.

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is the basis for this still the fact that i voted claimed third party and then did not back off when he said lol nm??

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No, not the basis.

Are you kind of apathetic to your own lynch here?

im pretty apathetic to a lynch on the basis of my attacks on gandalf but if theres more to it id like to hear it and defend those points.

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sorry 2 let you down spy :<

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i answered your previous question already and you did not like the answer.

In case you need a prompt to help you along, try this one: what do you think of Espeonage, Feysal, Empking, Andrius, Spy, and MoI?

ive already stated my position on feysal and spy (town and not scum.) andrius i am wary of but i would rather see gandalf lynched before him. i cannot read empking without association tells. im feeling town from moi. null on espeonage.

Why isn't KKB dead yet?

Spyrex is giving my partner and I bad vibes through his consistent flaunting of flavor over anything else and the fact that he supports Kanye. Scum would want to hunt third party as it would appear to be town to do so, why they both are so engaged in a Gandalf lynch is beyond me especially when it is quite clear that Gandalf will not be the lynch today.

MoI's Seraph post just shot him up to basically confirmed town in both of your eyes. Also, his post confirms that Andrius and Gandalf are likely telling the truth as not everything about their role is clear which makes a lynch on Gandalf even more unlikely and forced.

- Oversoul

you agree that lynching third party is pro-town and because of that it makes us scummy?

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zzz

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unvote vote wow

thanks for reminding me about that ludi.

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FEYSAL REPLACED KATSU WHO I DON'T THINK IS A RAGEQUITTER AS SCUM.

this.

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i dont remember that.

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id personally like to avoid lynching town and also maybe, just maybe, lynch anti-town.

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hey mos did you know that dgb and katsuki are, in fact, two different people?

ludi, im definitely opposed to my lynch, sorry if that wasnt clear!

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v/la for the next two days

will read peregrine when i get back or from my phone if i have the opportunity.

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actually that didnt take long to read

unvote vote peregrine

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here are my thoughts on the d1 wagon stall: feysal and i are either both mafia or both not mafia. there is no other reason for our wagons to have stalled the way they did, unless mafia were split evenly between the wagons. if one of us were mafia and the other not, that wagon would most certainly have gone through. im willing to use feysal as a town directed kill.

I'm honestly not sure what to think of their claims just yet. Claiming third party doesn't really make someone actually third party, there are plenty of gambits out there. However, claiming third party as town is retardedly bad, as evidenced by the recently concluded Mafiascum Fantasy Camp game (thanks, GreyICE). Most people have the common sense to avoid something that idiotic, so I'm left to conclude that they are either third party or scum. Given that conclusion and the fact that Feysal has a killing role, I'm more than content to see him hang.

No, I haven't seen any other tells jump out at me so far. Otherwise I would have mentioned it, obviously.

so why were you opposed to the gandalf lynch? are you still opposed to a gandalf lynch? are you satisfied with his "im town now"

i had a town read on ludi but im liking ooba less.

catching up still but i dont feel good about mos, and i still think wow can go.

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Why is this kanye lynch taking so much time? First D1 sudden change - now this delay. I like how he plays it as "both me and Feysal are scum or both are not" though.

why else would both wagons have stalled like that? it was looking like either feysal or i were going to be lynched. if one of us were scum and the other was not, excuses could have been made to get the non scum lynch pushed through.

I can see the argument that either me or kanye would have to be scum, considering the difficulty of lynching either one of us, and how easily the votes shifted to PeregrineV instead. What I don't understand is that if kanye was mafia, and I know I'm not, why did the votes not shift to me when Andrius was pushing for my lynch? PeregrineV may have seemed more appealing for the simple fact that I looked likely to take the fall for that, but I don't see why joining my wagon would have been any worse.

yes, this is what im saying. there were calls for both you and i to be lynched, if one of us were scum there should have either been a shift toward the one wagon to clinch the mislynch or to take full advantage of the bus.

@gut: i dont have email notifications turned on. i actually didnt get a prod pm from plum at all, in fact.

i can get behind wow.

vote wow

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But if you were both not Mafia why would neither wagon have gone through in the first place? This is the part of the argument you don%u2019t have an answer for.Scum have no motivation to abandon two viable wagons on non-Mafia to wagon another non-Mafia at deadline. Your survivalist hop onto WoW is noted when you avoided VitaminR and MoS like the plague.

scum were split between the two wagons i think, with neither group wanting to budge to the opposing wagon. there was not enough town support to push either wagon through without scum shifting and peregrine either presented a clean opportunity or was something that the town supported enough to push through without full scum support. my wow vote is not survivalist, as i have previously voted him and expressed a desire for him to be lynched. i also didnt make it clear enough in my last post but i would be willing to lynch mos. i had planned on iso'ing him to reaffirm my opinions on him before putting my vote down but things shifted onto wow who i would rather lynch.

i do not have an opinion on vitaminr and i actualy forgot that there was a wagon on him. likewise, i realize that there was some suspicion of dekes as well, but i honestly cannot remember any post by him at all. its a little late for it but id be happy to iso them tonight and give you a solid opinion on those two.

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Dekes, Feysal, Empking, SpyreX, Gut, kanyeknowsbest, Magister Ludi, VitaminR, Furcolow, Andrius, Espeonage, gandalf5166

oh i remember what the argument for dekes was now. yeah hes probably scum. i got generally town vibes from gut d1. empking im on the fence about and im pretty sure i have not correctly read him in a single game ever. based on this wagon i could see either vitaminr or espeonage being scum, but i didnt really see anything in vitaminr's iso that made me think scum and i was not convinced by gut's argument for him.

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I'll try to get a couple of posts in until then, but no promises.But this Pere wagon makes me feel good inside. Need to take a look at the voters, but for now I'll join anyway.Unvote; Vote: PeregrineV

Ok Dekes is scum? Why you ask? Because HE WAS ALREADY VOTING PERE WHEN HE POSTED THIS.Hard to believe he suddenly was convinced Pere was scum by the Feysal case when he supposedly already had a scum read on Pere and was voting him.Scumtastic.

this.

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survivalist would have been getting on the dekes or vitaminr wagon while people were actively voting me. survivalist would have been keeping my mouth shut while this wow wagon formed and let it do its own thing or let my scum buddies pile on to push it through. voting wow at this point is NOT survivalist considering it draws attention to my precarious position.

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ooba is awesome, much better than ludi who I felt was slightly scummy.

you thought ludi was scummy, the first person to vote me d1, the one leading the charge? the one trying his hardest to rope up someone you were convinced is scum?

thats awfully odd!

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wraith re: feysal vs. gandalf, gandalf claimed "lol idunno what my wincon is" and gave no explanation of how he could help town. feysal explained very clearly what his wincon is and can be pretty helpful to town! i hope you can work out why i would want to lynch one and not the other....

also i hope you dont expect me to reply to that wall when one of your arguments is that im not reading the thread.

im happy to lynch s&m and wow, and will put my vote on vitaminr if its to avoid no lynch in 14 hours.

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unvote vote vitaminr

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i would not begrudge eating a feysal shot so yall would have my townflip to work with.

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would still rather see snm or wow or gandalf get it instead tho!

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as i was reading along and first hit moi's claim, what struck me was that he claimed turin at all. the name portion was not necessary for town to believe he had a guilty on s&m of all people, and it puts a target on him for feysal. moi, why did you nameclaim at all?

i believe that ooba and s&m share a qt. s&m followed suit onto ludis wagon on me d1 in a way that makes sense for masons, or at least neighbors with town reads on eachother, and his crumbing is believable. chronopies kill not being the scum factional kill also makes his kill flavor and the one committed by feysal on wraith make sense.

We now have claimed killers for every NK that has succeeded, and one that didn't. If Sun and Moon is town, and Feysal is anything like what he claims to be, then there has been no mafia kill.

5. gandalf5166, Aerin, Town Twoshot-Sacrificial Arsonist, tormented and killed Night 2

is that so?

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The more I think about it, the more it seems scum have some need to have me lynched today - kind of like a Bookie, in Sexy Sedilla. You claimed Turin just to claim the main guy and put the highest stakes possible. Ugh. The whole situation is very weird.

this doesnt make any sense. if scum absolutely need to have you lynched today, why would they provide a name claim that could be counterclaimed to wreck the wagon? moi had the credibility to lynch you just off the cop guilty while withholding his name. i dont think its unreasonable to suppose that scum moi would would fakeclaim a guilty on you, especially if scum knew you had been given the miller status, but i dont think its likely that he would have nameclaimed turin to do it.

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i forgot to mention before i left im vla from last night until tomorrow evening.

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woops youre right hero. i thought i was voting s&m.

vote s&m

I suggest we lynch empking. MoI should die today if he's telling the truth. You can lynch\vig S&M and me if he flips town.

i dont get this at all. do you think moi is scum?

also when i was glancing at the thread on my phone while i was out of town, dekes play today struck me as hella scummy.

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First off, the wording of my role own makes it ambiguous. It tells me that Sun and Moon is Turin, my brother,

and that I am reasonably sure he share the same town win condition as me.

Despite proding, and I'm sure on purpose, Plum has not clarified this.

this is markedly different from the "it doesnt say anything about alignment were masons of course were confirmed" that amrun has been spouting.

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hey i have a question if you were a town vig would you let your unconfirmed mason partner direct your shot?

- They are a vig. They let ludi direct the vig kill on N1. Took my inputs on vig shot N2 - We narrowed it down to espeonage.

1. Sun and Moon is a near confirmed vigilante. They gave their kill on night one to me, and I choose Chronopie. Chronopie then died This is not something serial killers do, for one (and we already have a claimed serial killer), nor is it something mafia do with their kill. If Sun and Moon was mafia, turning over the entire mafia kill and making it hostage to me is plain stupid, considering I could choose one of their own and then Sun and Moon would be outed anyways.

i know amrun has a fair amount of experience as a vig so, i dont know, maybe im just hopeful in thinking she wouldnt unconditionally hand her shot off to someone unconfirmed to her?

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also heres a question, the two of you are pretty convinced im scum. its been made pretty apparent that ive been a huge distraction for town and youve expressed desire to see me vigged.

why am i not vigged yet?

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It doesn't require a presumption that Sun and Moon didn't lie. Based on the fact that they claimed miller, lying or not, its a given that they would return guilty to a cop, this means the fact that you got a guilty is entirely meaningless (with the exception being if S&M and ludi are scum together and are fabricating the preexisting miller claim). You instead have to weigh whether you think they lied or not. You think they lied, I don't think they lied, neither of us conclusively know and can only look at what's been said in thread as evidence, its all subjective.

no this is wrong. whos to say that scum amrun couldnt claim to town ludi (her neighbor) that she was a miller. ludi has no way to act on this so there is no danger in amrun doing so. it has the benefit of her being able say "look, i claimed miller BEFORE the guilty" while not inviting any attention onto her or having to explain why she wasnt nked for it. imho the miller claim at this juncture is worthless. ludi does not have to be scum for the miller claim to be a lie.

this should be pretty much between moi and s&m, should it not?

no its between whether we want to lynch s&m or lynch someone else and let moi die.

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unvote vote smargaret

bull fucking shit thats a 1-1.

yeah honestly im not sure if i believe s&m is scum or not anymore. what i do believe, however, is that there are a few different outcomes from this situation and they are all shit.

if s&m is town and we dont lynch, moi dies, and s&m dies tonight from scum as well. we get a vig shot if theres no rb.
if s&m is town and we do lynch, moi dies tonight for being a confirmed town cop.
if s&m is scum moi dies tonight no matter what and s&m has to explain why shes alive tomorrow.

theres basically no scenario i see where moi is alive tomorrow so lynching based on the prospect of saving moi is pointless, and really, without the threat of moi dying if we dont follow through i would not be willing to lynch a claimed mason vig. its too easy to prove if we give her time to and scum will be chomping at the bit to bury her if its true.

smargaret is ripe for a lynch and im going to take a look at dekes again and figure out what made me think he was hecka scum. id be down with lynching either of them today.

otoh the majority of my town reads are on the s&m wagon and she isnt lynched yet. that could be explained by lurkerscum though, and dekes was certainly jockeying to get back on the wagon before he disappeared.

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if i had the shot to fire i would choose from among dekes, smargaret, furcolow and herodotus. im less inclined to volunteer for a vig shot now that we managed to have a day that didnt derail into lynch kanye wait no dont. i should probably still be killed sometime before lylo though.

i just realized i havent said shit about herodotus yet. its largely gut and that this is the way i felt about him in another game where i ignored him all game and he turned out to be scum. furcolow is claimed third party but has ignored requests to clarify his win condition. plus with andrius claiming to still not have his role, we have 3 third parties just hanging around (i think i made it clear earlier how i feel about 3rd party that is not directly beneficial to town) and he is the one i would be happiest to see go.

ppl i dont want vigged: im still thinking town on spyrex, moi is obvious, mos im feeling a lot better about, gut town imo especially is amrun flips town, empkings claim is town, ludi even if amrun flipped scum i still am thinking town.

fake edit: oh and wow. i forgot about wow. holy crap i want wow dead. wow has not said a single thing regarding s&m today please fucking kill wow. i will literally switch my vote to wow right now if anyone else wants to lynch him.

wow is my #1 vig shot the others are 2ndary

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vote mockingjaye

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Will-o-wisp

, mockingjaye,

Wraith

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Sun and Moon

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Gut

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PeregrineV

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Feysal

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smargaret

no way did it get until espeonage/smarg before i had scum on me. will present a case shortly

i think it can be reasonably assumed that ludi/s&m are both town at this point, regardless of their terrible nk choice. i am very suspicious that moi is still alive regardless of suicide deactivation shenanigans. also i forgot ellibereth was in this game. looking 4ward to what ludi has to say on him.

I think it would make a tremendous difference to the game if anyone could clarify whether smargaret/Espeonage was part of a group at the beginning, or if that playerslot was like a cult recruiter, with no original scumbuddies, and whose team would not suicide upon their death.

what gives you this idea at all? i see no reason to believe smarg was anything but group scum?

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vote mockingjaye

I think it would make a tremendous difference to the game if anyone could clarify whether smargaret/Espeonage was part of a group at the beginning, or if that playerslot was like a cult recruiter, with no original scumbuddies, and whose team would not suicide upon their death.

what gives you this idea at all? i see no reason to believe smarg was anything but group scum?

nevermind i just reread the flip! still, given that his role title is Mafia xxx i think its safe to assume he was groupscum.

flavor people what kind of flavor is there on glaurung recruiting?
empking what is your role name? is there anything that would lead you to believe that you should be giving andrius his role and that he was not some sort of recruitment target for glaurung?

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1. Andrius Probably town, no role is unlikely to be scum now, especially since smarg playerslot targeted no role gandalf the night he got a role, prob tried to convert there instead of andrius.

consider that empking targeted andrius night 2 and failed and that andrius did not report anything odd the next day. i think theres a solid possibility that smarg may have recruited him.

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Inside the scum pool I'm finding Herodotus's actions in D2s twilight to be slightly townie which is making me feel reasonably better about him compared to the other three. Elibereths continued attempts at prod-dodging while admitting that it would be entirely understandable for her to be suspected for doing so reads as the opposite of what she did in Zorasters game where she was town. I'm also not understanding how Kanye has managed to continuously avoid the lynch and vig kills,

he has shown an extreme survivalist nature at almost every turn jumping on anyone that isn't himself while trying to scrape together reasons to excuse his behavior while not showing any real signs of active scumhunting.

Someone stated earlier that Mocking has been showing signs of focusing solely on Kanye all game and using him as a way to seem active and make it seem like she's putting forward contribution and I wholeheartly agree, strip away her attacks on Kanye and her filler and there's almost nothing in her ISO.

the bolded is pretty much not true at all? please recall that i refused to vote feysal day 1 (someone i had a town read on) while pressure was on me was the heaviest. certainly i voted vitaminr and peregrine, but i did not have town reads on them, and smargaret was hardly a forced survivalist vote. also how was sticking to my guns on gandalf and not backing off survivalist? how about volunteering for vigging d2? your reasons have no base in reality.

and heres another thought: are mockingjaye and i bussing each other? if im a super powerful scum role like you say, why has mockingjaye been attempting to bus me all game? why did smargaret try to bus me?

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vca isnt something to take as gospel, but when the vca lines up with your suspicions and other evidence, its certainly something to take into consideration.

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yo but real chat lets lynch mockingjaye.

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To be honest? I didn't look at the role pm yesterday, no. Most of yesterday (game day) I was posting from my phone and that's a pain in the ass. I knew I was Turin and vig. I think I once took a quick look to make sure I didn't have a surname in it (I don't), but I was in a hurry at the time. I totally glanced over that if I kill town something bad definitely happens. It was in the "active" part of my role, which I guess I glazed over since "active" for vig is pretty obvious. In my role name, it's called "Descending" and that didn't immediately register any bells.

I can't remember if I said I was compulsive before or not; if I didn't, I meant to, and I just wanted to make sure the information got out there in case I didn't. I knew I was compulsive, but to be honest, it was 100% at the back of my mind.

Also, I can't replace out as Amrun because CSL still wants to participate. (I tried to do this already, actually.) He posts in our hydra every once in awhile, and last night he posted in the neighbor qt... I can't get him to post here, idk.

But I post a lot on the go and from my phone, and switching accounts isn't facilitated there. Not posting except from the hydra account was one of the things that kept me from posting before... I would think, "When I get home to a computer, I'll read/post" and that never, ever happened.ugh

I do apologize for that, though. I'm pretty much not doing hydras anymore except special circumstances when I can be more certain of motivation-to-post-in-hydra and partner-post-rate.

Also, I definitely have some reading to do before understanding what exactly is going on, but any vig who somehow doesn't know that her shots might do something bad if they hit town, and yet is compulsive, and also isn't active because her hydra partner won't post here but refuses to replace out because he wants to participate but won't... all of it sounds pretty fucking deserving of a vote.

yes welcome to the fiasco that was yesterday but amrun is town despite playing a terrible game.

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imho lynching feysal is the incorrect choice. scum need to decide tonight whether or not feysal was telling the truth about targeting wow or not. then they need to decide if feysal will target amrun tonight. if feysal holds off on killing amrun and scum bank on him killing amrun, our vig lives another night. if feysal guns down amrun and scum decide not to risk it and take amrun out themselves then we still end up ahead in town directed kills. if we lynch feysal there is no ambiguity in the night kill and scum have a no brainer to shoot amrun.

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Kanyek, the scum didn't shoot Feysal when they had a reason to think he would aim to kill scum. Now they have a reason to think he will attempt to kill a townie; they aren't going to kill him.

not once did i refer to feysal getting shot?

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so what do you think about your ability not working on andrius despite his role being about not remembering?

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Yeah, MoS is either retarded or scum. Go with kanye, S&M, and wraith.

I have reasons for wanting espeonage alive that have nothing to do with his alignment.

Just wait three days on that one.

if gandalf believed he received his role (a town role) from espe, wouldn't that have led him to believe there was a stronger chance for espe to be town?

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Well, I must have been activated by some other means. Maybe the seraph's ability is for something else. In fact, something else happened to me last night that might be related(I hadn't given it a second thought until now). Rather not say what it is though, I'll know more tomorrow, if it's relevant I'll bring it up again.

also note he had two separate actions on him that night.

i think the scenario you proposed is pretty unlikely moi

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I have reason to believe I know a scum
I will get back to you when the day is done

vote: kanye

The more I am analyzing it, the more I feel 3rd party like Feysal and I need to help scumhunt with the town

please reconcile these statements.

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also note he had two separate actions on him that night.

i think the scenario you proposed is pretty unlikely moi

Disagree with your conclusion. Gandalf specifically said the following –

Well, I must have been activated by some other means. Maybe the seraph's ability is for something else.

In fact, something else happened to me last night that might be related(I hadn't given it a second thought until now)

. Rather not say what it is though, I'll know more tomorrow, if it's relevant I'll bring it up again.

He specifically says he doesn’t know for certain if being Neighborized resulted in his returning of role.

yes, two things happened -- he got his role and he was potentially neighborized/interacted with by espeonage in some way that let him know that espeonage had done something. i think that if espeonage had given him his role it is something that he would have let him know in a neighorization quicktopic, in which case he would definitely know they were related. i believe that assuming there were two different actions is the more reasonable assumption.

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i agree with getting rid of feysal at this point despite how badly i want to lynch mockingjaye. this post may be taken as intent to vote feysal.

question: what are we going to do about furc? he clearly has zero intention of aiding town and will be a guaranteed liability if we keep him around until it comes down to the wire. with mockingjaye, andrius, and elli all having a solid chance of being scum the idea of wasting a day lynching furc is not exactly one that i relish.

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v/la until tomorrow night

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mjaye im not sure if you posted them yet or not and i cant check now(phone) whats your thoughts on mos? hes my #1 kanye defender scum suspect.

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i had a scum read on him early on that has sort ofvsimmered in the background for awhile. i saw his switch to suddenly "kanyes just being retarded!" as odd. also he fits nicely into a mos/moi buddy theory i have. if you are town theres his sudden switch to mjaye is town right before an imminent looking lynch that is similar to his switch on me (guessing on the timing hard to check right now but i think my suspicions would be confirmed if i checked)

hi ludi : ]

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@mjaye realized i didnt reply abt regfan. i have residual scum reads from dekes play around the amrun claim. i need to reevaluate regfan.

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i like that vig pool.

@mjaye im acting like this because of a last minute gut town read from your latest posts. ill pursue this when i get back home tonight/tomorrow

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im here waiting to see what mos has to say.

not sure im going to hold his disappearance against him too heavily as he is also leaving the game he is modding hanging. id like to think he wouldnt let his own game suffer to put off replying in a different game.

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yeah amrun i got the same vibe from his early posting that you did. the choice quote i was sitting on is this one:

Ehhh, I think you're town for reasons I can't talk about now.
ITS OK NEXT TIME I WONT PUT YOU IN THE GENERAL TWON LIST
ILL PUT YOU IN THE LIST OF PREFERED MASONS/LOVERS:

MJAYE, ESPEO, ELLI

i read this stuff as potentially trying to hint to the scum team that he was recruitable. his posting towards espeonage quickly changes to an irritated "play the game stance" but he defends his town read on mockingjaye all the way to the end.

also based on espeonage's posting towards andrius, i am coming to the conclusion that the scumteam was unaware of andys scum role day 1.

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Please give your read on MoS before his information post is discussed.

i had an early scum read on him that i forgot about for awhile and as i was getting at with mjaye at the end of yesterday, if there was scum defending me its probably mos.