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In post 36, Magister Ludi wrote:meh, the last few times I have seen a claimed third party lynch get run up, the instigators of the lynch were scum.
find not town, lynch not town. you can say i was trying to do it for town cred later on but its a bit early for that.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 43, Magister Ludi wrote:Also, claimed third party are better saved for Vigfodder than Lynchfodder. For super srs.
we dont know if theres vigs in this setup or not. we dont know if hes bp or not. theres no reason not to lynch at this point where we can spare it.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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ludi it depends on the nature of the third party. im guessing from what gandalf has told us so far hes some sort of lyncher/reverse lyncher who needs certain people dead/not dead. in that case it depends on whether or not his dead/alive targets are scum/town. theres no way for us to know this so i would err on the side of caution and say it is pro town to lynch.
there is also the situation where he is directly anti town third party who is trying to claim some middle ground third party in the hopes of getting an easy ride out of it.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 126, Andrius wrote:as winning with scum = no-go as he'd get endgamed for sure.
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In post 133, Espeonage wrote:Dislike that we are having a serious day one. I hate games that do that.
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i stand by lynching claimed third party. its possible there is scum on the gandalf wagon because it is the "town thing to do" but i think it is more likely that scum are on the sidelines waiting to try and lynch someone off of the gandalf wagon. claimed third party can be saved for a nonscum lynch down the road, and if they can convert an early push on the third party into a town lynch, all the better. im still into a gandalf lynch, but ill take a look and see if any of these people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon look scum to me.
spyrex's play does seem odd, but i dont think its scum play.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 319, Will-o-wisp wrote:In post 318, LordChronos wrote:Will-o-wisp, what do you mean by personal vendettas?
Nothing related to this game, just vendetta that this head (Oversoul) has with 3 of players in this game. I promise you it isn't an aspect of this game, just me venting steam.
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In post 376, PeregrineV wrote:@Kayne- do you undersatnd the difference based on Esp's 285?
i do but i had zero reason to believe he was not an anti-town third party. if you look back in my iso you will see that i initially began by questioning his wincon for more specifics to see if he was pro-town or not. i received no indication that he was pro-town so i put my vote on him.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 550, mockingjaye wrote:The game has progressed quite a bit since I first asked you this, but I still want to know the answer
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In post 646, Magister Ludi wrote:No, not the basis.
Are you kind of apathetic to your own lynch here?
im pretty apathetic to a lynch on the basis of my attacks on gandalf but if theres more to it id like to hear it and defend those points.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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i answered your previous question already and you did not like the answer.
In post 652, mockingjaye wrote:In case you need a prompt to help you along, try this one: what do you think of Espeonage, Feysal, Empking, Andrius, Spy, and MoI?
ive already stated my position on feysal and spy (town and not scum.) andrius i am wary of but i would rather see gandalf lynched before him. i cannot read empking without association tells. im feeling town from moi. null on espeonage.
In post 653, Will-o-wisp wrote:Why isn't KKB dead yet?
Spyrex is giving my partner and I bad vibes through his consistent flaunting of flavor over anything else and the fact that he supports Kanye. Scum would want to hunt third party as it would appear to be town to do so, why they both are so engaged in a Gandalf lynch is beyond me especially when it is quite clear that Gandalf will not be the lynch today.
MoI's Seraph post just shot him up to basically confirmed town in both of your eyes. Also, his post confirms that Andrius and Gandalf are likely telling the truth as not everything about their role is clear which makes a lynch on Gandalf even more unlikely and forced.
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In post 730, Ellibereth wrote:FEYSAL REPLACED KATSU WHO I DON'T THINK IS A RAGEQUITTER AS SCUM.
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here are my thoughts on the d1 wagon stall: feysal and i are either both mafia or both not mafia. there is no other reason for our wagons to have stalled the way they did, unless mafia were split evenly between the wagons. if one of us were mafia and the other not, that wagon would most certainly have gone through. im willing to use feysal as a town directed kill.
In post 1022, Mastermind of Sin wrote:
I'm honestly not sure what to think of their claims just yet. Claiming third party doesn't really make someone actually third party, there are plenty of gambits out there. However, claiming third party as town is retardedly bad, as evidenced by the recently concluded Mafiascum Fantasy Camp game (thanks, GreyICE). Most people have the common sense to avoid something that idiotic, so I'm left to conclude that they are either third party or scum. Given that conclusion and the fact that Feysal has a killing role, I'm more than content to see him hang.
No, I haven't seen any other tells jump out at me so far. Otherwise I would have mentioned it, obviously.
so why were you opposed to the gandalf lynch? are you still opposed to a gandalf lynch? are you satisfied with his "im town now"
i had a town read on ludi but im liking ooba less.
catching up still but i dont feel good about mos, and i still think wow can go.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 1128, ooba wrote:Why is this kanye lynch taking so much time? First D1 sudden change - now this delay. I like how he plays it as "both me and Feysal are scum or both are not" though.
why else would both wagons have stalled like that? it was looking like either feysal or i were going to be lynched. if one of us were scum and the other was not, excuses could have been made to get the non scum lynch pushed through.
Feysal wrote:I can see the argument that either me or kanye would have to be scum, considering the difficulty of lynching either one of us, and how easily the votes shifted to PeregrineV instead. What I don't understand is that if kanye was mafia, and I know I'm not, why did the votes not shift to me when Andrius was pushing for my lynch? PeregrineV may have seemed more appealing for the simple fact that I looked likely to take the fall for that, but I don't see why joining my wagon would have been any worse.
yes, this is what im saying. there were calls for both you and i to be lynched, if one of us were scum there should have either been a shift toward the one wagon to clinch the mislynch or to take full advantage of the bus.
@gut: i dont have email notifications turned on. i actually didnt get a prod pm from plum at all, in fact.
i can get behind wow.
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In post 1189, MagnaofIllusion wrote:But if you were both not Mafia why would neither wagon have gone through in the first place? This is the part of the argument you don%u2019t have an answer for.Scum have no motivation to abandon two viable wagons on non-Mafia to wagon another non-Mafia at deadline. Your survivalist hop onto WoW is noted when you avoided VitaminR and MoS like the plague.
scum were split between the two wagons i think, with neither group wanting to budge to the opposing wagon. there was not enough town support to push either wagon through without scum shifting and peregrine either presented a clean opportunity or was something that the town supported enough to push through without full scum support. my wow vote is not survivalist, as i have previously voted him and expressed a desire for him to be lynched. i also didnt make it clear enough in my last post but i would be willing to lynch mos. i had planned on iso'ing him to reaffirm my opinions on him before putting my vote down but things shifted onto wow who i would rather lynch.
i do not have an opinion on vitaminr and i actualy forgot that there was a wagon on him. likewise, i realize that there was some suspicion of dekes as well, but i honestly cannot remember any post by him at all. its a little late for it but id be happy to iso them tonight and give you a solid opinion on those two.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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Dekes, Feysal, Empking, SpyreX, Gut, kanyeknowsbest, Magister Ludi, VitaminR, Furcolow, Andrius, Espeonage, gandalf5166
oh i remember what the argument for dekes was now. yeah hes probably scum. i got generally town vibes from gut d1. empking im on the fence about and im pretty sure i have not correctly read him in a single game ever. based on this wagon i could see either vitaminr or espeonage being scum, but i didnt really see anything in vitaminr's iso that made me think scum and i was not convinced by gut's argument for him.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 855, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Ok Dekes is scum? Why you ask? Because HE WAS ALREADY VOTING PERE WHEN HE POSTED THIS.Hard to believe he suddenly was convinced Pere was scum by the Feysal case when he supposedly already had a scum read on Pere and was voting him.Scumtastic.Dekes wrote:I'll try to get a couple of posts in until then, but no promises.But this Pere wagon makes me feel good inside. Need to take a look at the voters, but for now I'll join anyway.Unvote; Vote: PeregrineV
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survivalist would have been getting on the dekes or vitaminr wagon while people were actively voting me. survivalist would have been keeping my mouth shut while this wow wagon formed and let it do its own thing or let my scum buddies pile on to push it through. voting wow at this point is NOT survivalist considering it draws attention to my precarious position.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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In post 1225, Will-o-wisp wrote:ooba is awesome, much better than ludi who I felt was slightly scummy.
you thought ludi was scummy, the first person to vote me d1, the one leading the charge? the one trying his hardest to rope up someone you were convinced is scum?
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wraith re: feysal vs. gandalf, gandalf claimed "lol idunno what my wincon is" and gave no explanation of how he could help town. feysal explained very clearly what his wincon is and can be pretty helpful to town! i hope you can work out why i would want to lynch one and not the other....
also i hope you dont expect me to reply to that wall when one of your arguments is that im not reading the thread.
im happy to lynch s&m and wow, and will put my vote on vitaminr if its to avoid no lynch in 14 hours.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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as i was reading along and first hit moi's claim, what struck me was that he claimed turin at all. the name portion was not necessary for town to believe he had a guilty on s&m of all people, and it puts a target on him for feysal. moi, why did you nameclaim at all?
i believe that ooba and s&m share a qt. s&m followed suit onto ludis wagon on me d1 in a way that makes sense for masons, or at least neighbors with town reads on eachother, and his crumbing is believable. chronopies kill not being the scum factional kill also makes his kill flavor and the one committed by feysal on wraith make sense.
Herodotus wrote:We now have claimed killers for every NK that has succeeded, and one that didn't. If Sun and Moon is town, and Feysal is anything like what he claims to be, then there has been no mafia kill.
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In post 1541, Amrun wrote:The more I think about it, the more it seems scum have some need to have me lynched today - kind of like a Bookie, in Sexy Sedilla. You claimed Turin just to claim the main guy and put the highest stakes possible. Ugh. The whole situation is very weird.
this doesnt make any sense. if scum absolutely need to have you lynched today, why would they provide a name claim that could be counterclaimed to wreck the wagon? moi had the credibility to lynch you just off the cop guilty while withholding his name. i dont think its unreasonable to suppose that scum moi would would fakeclaim a guilty on you, especially if scum knew you had been given the miller status, but i dont think its likely that he would have nameclaimed turin to do it.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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woops youre right hero. i thought i was voting s&m.
vote s&m
i dont get this at all. do you think moi is scum?ooba wrote:I suggest we lynch empking. MoI should die today if he's telling the truth. You can lynch\vig S&M and me if he flips town.
also when i was glancing at the thread on my phone while i was out of town, dekes play today struck me as hella scummy.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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Magister Ludi wrote:First off, the wording of my role own makes it ambiguous. It tells me that Sun and Moon is Turin, my brother,and that I am reasonably sure he share the same town win condition as me.Despite proding, and I'm sure on purpose, Plum has not clarified this.
this is markedly different from the "it doesnt say anything about alignment were masons of course were confirmed" that amrun has been spouting.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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hey i have a question if you were a town vig would you let your unconfirmed mason partner direct your shot?
ooba wrote:- They are a vig. They let ludi direct the vig kill on N1. Took my inputs on vig shot N2 - We narrowed it down to espeonage.Magister Ludi wrote:1. Sun and Moon is a near confirmed vigilante. They gave their kill on night one to me, and I choose Chronopie. Chronopie then died This is not something serial killers do, for one (and we already have a claimed serial killer), nor is it something mafia do with their kill. If Sun and Moon was mafia, turning over the entire mafia kill and making it hostage to me is plain stupid, considering I could choose one of their own and then Sun and Moon would be outed anyways.
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In post 1761, Gut wrote:It doesn't require a presumption that Sun and Moon didn't lie. Based on the fact that they claimed miller, lying or not, its a given that they would return guilty to a cop, this means the fact that you got a guilty is entirely meaningless (with the exception being if S&M and ludi are scum together and are fabricating the preexisting miller claim). You instead have to weigh whether you think they lied or not. You think they lied, I don't think they lied, neither of us conclusively know and can only look at what's been said in thread as evidence, its all subjective.
no this is wrong. whos to say that scum amrun couldnt claim to town ludi (her neighbor) that she was a miller. ludi has no way to act on this so there is no danger in amrun doing so. it has the benefit of her being able say "look, i claimed miller BEFORE the guilty" while not inviting any attention onto her or having to explain why she wasnt nked for it. imho the miller claim at this juncture is worthless. ludi does not have to be scum for the miller claim to be a lie.
no its between whether we want to lynch s&m or lynch someone else and let moi die.Fucrolow wrote:this should be pretty much between moi and s&m, should it not?add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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unvote vote smargaretbull fucking shit thats a 1-1.
yeah honestly im not sure if i believe s&m is scum or not anymore. what i do believe, however, is that there are a few different outcomes from this situation and they are all shit.
if s&m is town and we dont lynch, moi dies, and s&m dies tonight from scum as well. we get a vig shot if theres no rb.
if s&m is town and we do lynch, moi dies tonight for being a confirmed town cop.
if s&m is scum moi dies tonight no matter what and s&m has to explain why shes alive tomorrow.
theres basically no scenario i see where moi is alive tomorrow so lynching based on the prospect of saving moi is pointless, and really, without the threat of moi dying if we dont follow through i would not be willing to lynch a claimed mason vig. its too easy to prove if we give her time to and scum will be chomping at the bit to bury her if its true.
smargaret is ripe for a lynch and im going to take a look at dekes again and figure out what made me think he was hecka scum. id be down with lynching either of them today.
otoh the majority of my town reads are on the s&m wagon and she isnt lynched yet. that could be explained by lurkerscum though, and dekes was certainly jockeying to get back on the wagon before he disappeared.add me on snapchat and vine and twitter and instagram : ]-
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if i had the shot to fire i would choose from among dekes, smargaret, furcolow and herodotus. im less inclined to volunteer for a vig shot now that we managed to have a day that didnt derail into lynch kanye wait no dont. i should probably still be killed sometime before lylo though.
i just realized i havent said shit about herodotus yet. its largely gut and that this is the way i felt about him in another game where i ignored him all game and he turned out to be scum. furcolow is claimed third party but has ignored requests to clarify his win condition. plus with andrius claiming to still not have his role, we have 3 third parties just hanging around (i think i made it clear earlier how i feel about 3rd party that is not directly beneficial to town) and he is the one i would be happiest to see go.
ppl i dont want vigged: im still thinking town on spyrex, moi is obvious, mos im feeling a lot better about, gut town imo especially is amrun flips town, empkings claim is town, ludi even if amrun flipped scum i still am thinking town.
fake edit: oh and wow. i forgot about wow. holy crap i want wow dead. wow has not said a single thing regarding s&m today please fucking kill wow. i will literally switch my vote to wow right now if anyone else wants to lynch him.
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